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ArbCom process

Is this something you need to know? Your name is included in a new posting at Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks Noticeboard#Discussion/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Tang Dynasty? As for what happens next, we'll see? --Tenmei (talk) 08:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

As you know, ArbCom remedies in Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty implied a multi-step process; however, no protocols for confirming mentors were suggested. In the absence of specifics, User:Mattisse/Plan was taken as an arguably relevant procedural model. Accordingly, a draft plan and list of mentors was e-mailed to each ArbCom member and redundantly posted at WP:AC/CN. This seems not to have worked.

I have now sought "approval" at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification#Tang Dynasty. This message is necessary because the standard template requires me to confirm notifying you. --Tenmei (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom member Coren has suggested, "It would be helpful if the editors put forward as proposed mentors would chime in here before any decision is made ...."

I will follow-up with an e-mail; and I'll explain that John Carter has been inexplicably off-wiki since late December. --Tenmei (talk) 02:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Topic ban?

Is there a small misunderstanding about the phrase "topic ban"? In this context, I interpreted the phrase as a barring me from editing a single article only. If I am wrong, it's an error with consequences.

"1.1) Tenmei is restricted as follows:

(A) Tenmei is topic-banned from Inner Asia during the Tang Dynasty ...."

It could be that the term "topic-banned" was a mistake? In December 2009, there was no question that I'd wrongly edited this specific article. Since June 2009, the edit histories show that I have added nothing to the article or to its associated talk page. In compliance with ArbCom's restriction, I am planning to avoid this article for six months; and, as I understand it, your question will only become relevant in September 2010?

Potential problem. Does it matter that I did edit Foreign relations of Imperial China in September and October 2009. Does the term "topic-banned" encompass the diplomatic history of Imperial China? I didn't recognize this as a potential problem. Thank you for asking a question about a potential stumbling block I didn't see at all.

If the term "topic-banned" refers to something other than just the one, small article about a geographic area in central Asia and a Chinese dynasty in the 7th-8th centuries, I need to know what it is. For example, would there be an arguable cause for complaint if I were to edit Horses in East Asian warfare? --Tenmei (talk) 10:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Article Problem?

Halito, you wrote to reformat article that was done. What reason did you decline the article? If there was any other problems that need to be fixed, that can be done. Let me know your thoughts.67.235.129.179 (talk) 18:57, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I wasn't the one who left the comments. This is a bit confusing; you can see in the page history that Fetchcomms reviewed your submission and placed it on hold. It also looks like Eastmain did some work on the references. I declined the article because it had been several days since the article had received any attention. The article looks fine now format-wise, you will just need to make sure the subject passes our general inclusion criteria. Someone will be by to review it soon. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 07:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Koffing and Weezing assessment

Why was Koffing and Weezing failed B-Class due to referencing? The article looks very well referenced. I think it needs more Anime and Manga info, but that's a different issue. _Blake 19:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Myself and another assessor took a look at the article and came to the same conclusion. The referencing category includes both referencing and the sources that are referenced. I believe the main issue is that there are a few non-reliable sources and the bulk of the sources are game guides. It needs a few more independent sources that cover the subject. The real-world sections should also be expanded if possible to balance the in-universe information. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 01:21, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure if I follow. If this is about the "Pokemon of the Day" article being in a FAQs, the writer of the FAQs is an IGN editor, and the Pokémon Project has agreed it is reliable. If it isn't this reference, then please say which ones are problems. Also, if the "real world section" means reception, then it will never be as big as the in-universe info, and doesn't need to be. I believe you are holding the B-class bar a little high. _Blake 02:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

What I'm looking for here are strong third-party references that cover Koffing/Weezing in detail without being part of some comprehensive guide. Being pokemon of the day on a site that's going to eventually feature every Pokemon isn't really going to cut it. Being listed in a game guide or pokedex is also inadequate. I like the character creation information, that's the stuff that needs to be in this article, but I can't see this getting to B-class without more solid references that discuss the subject in detail ("significant coverage" a la WP:N).

Also keep in mind that B-Class varries from project to project. Wikiproject anime is far more stringent with its B-Class criteria mainly because we don't have an A-Class. As B-Class is really the project's last check on the content before it goes into external assessment (GA and FA class) we try to tighten everything down. In short, a B-Class article should be getting close to a GA. So please don't be offended that our rating doesn't track with the other projects. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 01:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Zeng8r Removal of very important information

Hi, Zeng8r removed articles which had been applied to history of Tampa. This is factual information and was also confirmed by the Oklahoma Nation, that Choctaws inhabit Tampa, Florida, which was Fort Brooks. My grandmother lived their it is near the Garrisons and the Train station. There is also a body of water which has to do with the Choctaw Sea. I would not add anything that is erroneous to build on an untruth, that is not my style.

It is also biased in my opinon since Zeng8r wiki page establishes he live there.

Calusa is Choctaw. http://www.jstor.org/stable/30146125 http://www.sanibelhistory.org/calusa_history.htm

We would appreciate if here would return the information to the place it was input. Yakoki(Thank you)! 67.235.129.179 (talk) 21:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 01:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

How mentoring will work

As you know, Roger Davies seeks more information from the mentors about how mentoring will work.

I hope these words will help "prime" the pump. I believe that what can be done in pre-planning has been accomplished. We will be figuring it out together as the future unfolds. A restatement is straightforward:

• An initial editing strategy based on a theory of wiki-pacifism was suggested by the userpage of Leujohn in Hong Kong.
• Fasten in Germany suggested that I tentatively adopt pacifist tactics as an experiment derived from salutary premises which I posted at Misplaced Pages:Mentorship#Unanticipated Consequences, especially the words of a famous German:

We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. — Albert Einstein

In the absence of any better alternative, I agreed; however, a willingness to experiment with a novel tactic represents only a superficial change. This is useful as an exploratory gambit, but not transformative. I am not persuaded that pacifist action is workable even in this experimental approach, but we'll see.

The Latin axiom qui tacet consentire videtur is mirrored in WP:Silence + WP:Consensus. In our wiki-context, I would like to find a way to construe pacifist non-confrontation ≠ WP:Silence. In resolving these seeming contradictions, the mentors' points-of-view are essential. Together we will discover otherwise unrecognized alternatives.

In the context of this specific issue, Xavexgoem has agreed to be a non-public mentor. "Finding of facts" in the decision at Tang Dynasty encompassed User talk:Xavexgoem/archive5#Seeking help in presenting thoughts clearly. Xavexgoem's experience in mediation will help remedy an arguable deficit in the composition of our small group. Core policies are the tools at hand; and Xavexgoem agreed to help connect the dots in hopes that it could benefit more than me.

Does this help you make better guesses about how mentorship will work? --Tenmei (talk) 01:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Citing your words

Kraftlos -- As you know, I paid close attention to your comments on your userpage. I favorably cited one of your sentences at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification/Tang Dynasty#Response to Risker:

The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.

Thank you for the time and thought you invested in drafting this helpful phrase. It would have taken many more words for me to try to say the same thing; and I doubt that the result would have been as effective.

Please contact me via e-mail so that I can add your name to the Mentorship Committee mailing list. --Tenmei (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Addin new page

I dont know what happened but I tried to add a new page. Choctaw Language to clear up the issue about the word calusa. Also provide very supporting and compelling links and books. thank you for your attention to this. I certainly appreciate it!!!67.235.129.179 (talk) 18:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Smartphone rating

For the Smartphone article and WP:WikiProject_Computing/Assessment what rating did you have in mind? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I was just hoping someone could take a look at it, it's listed under three Wikiprojects and none have assessed the article. I do assessment over at WP:ANIME and the occasional GA review, so it looks to be to be somewhere between C and B-Class, but I'm not a member of the project so I was hoping someone who has more of a computing focus could assess it and see what's missing, what's good, etc. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 04:41, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

.hack articles

I've been thinking for the list of .hack characters article, we should just turn it into various different articles. Like list of project .hack characters and List of .hack Conglomerate Characters that way it would be easier to list the characters. And characters that appear twice, we could just give them a note like. Kite also appears in .hack conglomerate series or the other way around. What do you think?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:57, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I think I suggested something like this a while back and people shot me down. I think the problem is that people have real-life identities and online identities. Some characters have multiple online persona. Personally, I think because most the story occurs online, it wouldn't be out of line to ignore the offline persona except maybe a mention on each character's entry that they're the same RL person as so and so. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 21:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

For the record, Junhachi and I had a conversation here Talk:List_of_.hack_characters#Split. I still think Gameworld is more appropriate since with the exception of Liminallity and OnlineJack, all the stories take place primarily online. And since we describe works from a real-world perspective anyway, it wouldn't be that strange to list the significant real-world characters in with the online ones. And we don't have to list every character that appeared in the series, just the important ones. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 21:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I just left a message in the article. but like i said, it can be explained and it's better because characters like Kite wont work so well if we say who he is in the real-world considering he has mroe than one depending on the series.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Eh?

I got a message from you on my talk page about some article I wanted to create or something, but I never did anything of the likes...--213.168.109.88 (talk) 10:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Mentoring task force

Kraftlos -- This text could be added to my statement at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification?

Doing nothing is an option; but what is best? My deference and patience during the six months in which ArbCom dawdled was unrewarded; and silence appears to have defined me as a dupe. Now I have endured an further three months in limbo. ArbCom radicalizes when its mission should have been to encourage quite opposite goals. --Tenmei (talk) 03:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Supplementary statement

A task force is established to work on a single defined task or activity. Drawing lessons from the photo at the right: If wiki-"mentoring" is at all like teaching Afghan women to raise bees and chickens, delay produces neither honey nor eggs.

A "mentoring task Force" (MTF) for me is a more topical or timely name than "mentorship committee." The word "task" emphasises our short- and long-term objectives; and the identified volunteers have been waiting too long to begin addressing specific tasks-at-hand.

The most widely publicized examples of on-going mentoring are linked with the phrase "task force." For example, NATO's Operational Mentor and Liaison Teams (OMLTs) are an important part of its contribution towards stabilizing Afghanistan. Australia's military programme in Afghanistan has been re-named Mentoring Task Force (MTF) concurrent with deployments in 2010. The Canadian mentoring programme in Afghanistan appears controversial precisely because of allegations that the Harper governent is waiting too long to get started — see Matthew Fisher, "Canada may have painted itself into corner in Afghanistan," The Gazette (Montreal). March 12, 2010.

A Google search for the phrase "mentoring task force" produces a range non-military hits, including an American Anthropological Association report in 2009 which ends with the words "Don't Drop the ball."

I do recognize that this is a pivotal time for ArbCom as Misplaced Pages's future development unfolds; nevertheless, my role requires me to reiterate: "Don't drop the ball."

Ping

I have sent you an e-mail. ArbCom wants comments from prospective mentors. --Tenmei (talk) 05:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Mentoring by example

As you know, I adopted your words as my own. The next step is to try to move beyond parroting, e.g.,

Comments?

If you're interested, see also User talk:Tenmei/Subpage Mentorship-A?

Thank you. --Tenmei (talk) 21:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Editing advice

Kraftlos -- You may not know that PMDrive1061 agreed to be a non-public mentor.

With regret, I have to report that today's attempt to reach out for help was unclear:

A. I intended to ask for comments here about the use of formatting as a device (a) to focus my comments and (b) to limit the number of words.

B. Also, I wanted to invite PMDrive1061 to consider posting a comment at the active ArbCom thread.

Instead, my words were construed as puzzling. I tried to restate my purpose and questions here.

Do you have the time to take a look at this? Can you offer suggestions about what I might have done differently? Can you propose plausible modifications in the formatting or in the wording?

Thank you for your helpful posting here and here. --Tenmei (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I'd say one of the biggest problems with your communication styles is that you tend to write very long posts. Usually in a conversation there is some back and forth; which is easy when people write 3-5 sentences in their reply, when you have half a page of text it becomes difficult to see an overarching point. I would suggest writing shorter responses, use fewer quotes, and just in general not try to summarize the entire situation each time you reply to someone. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 19:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Please notice my revised "2nd try" message at User talk:PMDrive1061#Mentorship — only 8 sentences + 2 quotes? It is shorter and thus better? It seems to me that I've not explained enough.

Your reasoning is a variant of less is more; but in this context of initiating a working relationship, I would have thought that less is simply less. In other words, less would seem to be too little?

Like my "1st try" message, this is also puzzling but in a different way.--Tenmei (talk) 16:19, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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