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This user is busy in real life and may not respond swiftly to queries.

Sorry to anyone waiting for a response or assistance from me over the last couple of weeks. I am currently very busy with Wikimedia Australia work and am not available for the immediate future. You are still welcome to leave messages here and I will attend to them on my return, but if you require administrative assistance, you would likely get a faster response by finding an available administrator via the List of Admins or by requesting assistance on the Administrators Noticeboards or one of the dedicated noticeboards listed at the top of that page. Sarah 04:54, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Question

I'm a bit nervous, as a new admin, and I just blocked a user for creating hoax articles after a final warning. Do you think that an indefinite block was good, or is that going too far? The user is Okfaizok (talk · contribs). —Soap— 17:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Greetings Soap. No, I don't think it's going too far to indef someone hoaxing, but let me take a look at this particular account and I'll be back shortly with an opinion. Cheers, Sarah 23:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Soap, I didn't realise you were talking about that guy. Absolutely, that block is completely acceptable and appropriate. I was a bit stupid giving him another chance and not just indefing him in the first place. Given he's come back since I deleted his other junk and created more, there's no doubt in my mind that is a very good and appropriate block. Congratulations on your RFA. If you have any future blocks or other actions you want a second opinion on, please feel free to post here. Cheers, Sarah 00:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I was basing my action on what I'd seen other admins do in similar situations, but just wanted to be sure. —Soap— 00:47, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Going out on a limb...

Greetings Sarah - just a word of support in the face of opposition. Assuming good faith, I realise that your talk page is being stalked watched by beady little eyes and trust to my guardian angels here at Misplaced Pages to keep an eye out for any possible repercussions. Be that as it may, in my somewhat superficial and random tracking of the events leading up to the current issue involving Nineteen Nightmares, I find your attitude and correspondence with the parties involved to be in full keeping with what I've come to expect from admins, and for which I'd just like to say thank you, and a more global thank you for being out there to ensure that Misplaced Pages doesn't degenerate into the Wild West. It restores my sometimes flagging faith in Misplaced Pages AGF and ego trips. I'd also like to seize the oportunity to point out that you seem to be under the impression that I'm a member of the lobby to have this editor blocked. A quick review of the ANI and other, related pages (don't bother) will make it clear that such is not the case. While I have been openly critical of said editor's behaviour, I consider the almost orchestrated manoeuvre by more experienced editors fully unwarranted (see "flagging faith" above). This message will self-destruct the moment you have read it. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Technopat, I really appreciate your message very much. Don't worry, I know that you're not part of this group (I also know that PdCook isn't) and I didn't mean to imply or suggest you were; I was just pointing out that you were among the people Greg notified of the WQA (which became the ANI). "While I have been openly critical of said editor's behaviour, I consider the almost orchestrated manoeuvre by more experienced editors fully unwarranted" - I agree completely and that's *exactly* where I'm coming from. I have also been very critical of the user's behaviour, and I'm not trying to protect him from the consequences of his continuing to be so aggressively uncivil after numerous warnings from a number of people, including myself, but I just couldn't accept the way they were setting that up, trying to quickly push through such a very excessive penalty for a relatively new (8 weeks) and generally inexperienced user they've been heavily involved in arguments and disputes with for weeks. If the uninvolved community decides a penalty or sanction of some sort is appropriate, so be it, but let's just do it properly and fairly and ensure it is within the requirements of policy - that's all I'm asking and if I had to put myself in their firing-line and become the target of their anger, assumptions of bad faith, misleading and false accusations and whatnot in order to highlight what was going on there then I can live with that. The thing that really alarmed me was when I went straight to ANI yesterday after receiving Greg's notification of the ANI report and found that a very involved user, who was also the person proposing and shepherding the block and ban, was already declaring a "snowball" block/ban only 2 hours after it was proposed, with all but one of the comments being from people who were either involved in the disputes in some way or otherwise notified of the discussion by Greg. I just couldn't abide that and had to challenge them. I'm sorry they feel that I'm being nasty to them as that's not my desire or intention. But the crazy thing is I only became involved in this whole situation in the first place because they all kept coming here, leaving me messages and asking me to help with things. Yet once I disagree with their maneuvering and get in their way, I'm suddenly an evil and abusive admin! I'm not going to be here much this week as I'm very busy irl, but I'm sure the admin who closes the ANI will see it for what it is and ensure any penalties are fair and consistent with policy. Thank you again for your message, I really appreciate it a great deal. And if you encounter any problems, please do let me know. Sarah 04:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Greetings Sarah - thanks for reply. I wish my reason for posting here had been to thank you for helping me out with a doubt or some such mundane matter. Whereas I have nothing to lose by being politically incorrect at Misplaced Pages, the thing that cracks me up is that some folks have little boxes on their talk pages optimistically expressing their admin potential. I've recently been toying with the idea of patrolling RfA on a regular basis, when there's a lull in vandal edits. And don't worry 'bout me 'cos my Misplaced Pages guardian angels work 25/8, but I don't really expect any comeback. This message will self-destruct the moment you have read it. No reply required. Don't let 'em get to you! Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 08:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Heh we used to joke about those userboxes and how they were a guarantee you'd never become an admin. RFA can be a very unpleasant place but reading and participating in other people's RFA can be very useful in helping prepare for it yourself and even if you decide not to have a try yourself, the more people reviewing RFAs the better. I'm just grateful that I went through mine years ago as I'd hate to go through it now. It was hard enough back then but these days people seem to have got really tough standards. If at any time you decide you want to have a go at RFA yourself and you'd like someone to have a look at your contribs and give you an honest opinion about how they think you'd go, let me know and I'd be happy to do a review for you. Cheers, Sarah 09:28, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for the offer - greatly appreciated (and good for the ego), but I spend enough time here just trolling around and thankful that I can put my foot in it occasionally without any serious comeback. I just can't commit myself to the level required of an admin. I see it as way too many headaches! Happy editing! --Technopat (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Draftpunkboy

Hi Sarah,

Just noticed Nick-D reverted an edit made by Draftpunkboy94 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) on the Australian Labor Party article, I had a feeling that the editor was Draftpunk93 but though they must have requested a rename but looking the the editor's contributions which shocked me as an a new account. I took a look at Draftpunkboy93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and noted that they have been indefinitely blocked so I did a search on Wikistalk which shows it is the same editor. Not sure what should be done with the editor. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure this is correct, Bidgee? I can't find any contribs or block log for either of those accounts. Are they indef'd here on WP? If someone has been indef'd and they've just come back with a new account, they need to be reblocked as block evading sock. Sarah 09:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I've found him through the article. Looking now... Sarah 09:30, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay I've blocked him. By the way, it's Daftpunkboy94 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) not Draftpunkboy94, you dag! :p Sarah 09:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Oops! LOL, Still a little tired from the 48 hour flu/virus (must have got it from Melbourne). Cheers for looking into it. Bidgee (talk) 10:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

You're most welcome as always. There's a lot of bugs going around Melbourne at the moment, probably because of the weather. I hope you get better soon. I'm going to be doing a Wikm/pedia training program for the curators at the Melb Museum on Thursday. I've got some promotional stuff (pins, stickers etc) from the foundation but I'm writing the training pack myself and it's the first time I've done one. I probably won't be around much this week but if anything else comes up, feel free to leave a note here. Cheers, Sarah 12:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm feeling better today, weather wasn't too bad when I was down there. I was at the Melbourne Museum on Saturday and the RAAF Museum the day before. Never got the chance to do the photography I wanted to do due to the tight itinerary, but I want to head back down in spring. I hope all goes well on Thursday! Bidgee (talk) 13:15, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Fortunately it's only a small group of curators (about 12) but it's still rather nerve-racking! Until I went to a Wikimedia meeting at the Melb Museum with Brian, Liam and Steven Bain a few months ago, I hadn't been there for years. So long, in fact, that I'd never even been to the new building! Were you doing a placement there? My parents are involved with the local museum down here and dad said they've had a student working with the archivists as a placement for her museum course. If you have any spare time next time you're down, let me know and I'll come into town and we can get a coffee or something. I actually have a few things to send you from the WMF meeting in Germany. Nothing exciting but just a couple of things I picked up which you might be interested in. I shall email you about it next week. Cheers, Sarah 23:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I think I might have forgotten to tell you that a few days ago I turned the extra reviewer rights on for you. Sarah 00:06, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you'll be fine! ;) I was there checking out they way they do exhibitions but thought to also take a look at the Titanic exhibition while I was there but have done some archivists experience in the past. I hope to be back in Melbourne and stay for a day or two, maybe look at doing a Wiki meet? Thats cool, doesn't matter if its pens, rulers ect but I'm sure it would be interesting and useful :).

also thank you for the extra user rights. :) Bidgee (talk) 11:35, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Martin-related users

I once again ask the Martin-group of users to kindly stop posting on this page. The last two weeks, all my wiki time has been taken up with trying to help you with your dramas and as I have a huge amount of work to get done this week, I am no longer prepared to give you any more time. Thank you for your understanding. Sarah 12:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry it took so much of your time Sarah and yet you still did it. Three cheers for Sarah! Like Technopat said, don't let 'em get you down. Additionally, this userbox is cool:

If you know you're right, it doesn't matter if the whole world tries to take you down. Do the right thing anyway! Good show. Nineteen Nightmares (talk) 16:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)Nineteen Nightmares

Thanks 19Nightmares, much appreciated. I'm glad the ANI was closed in favour of giving you a chance with mentorship and I really hope it goes well and is helpful to you. I really want you to prove they were wrong with that proposal by not having anymore civility issues and becoming a valued editor. Cheers, Sarah 00:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Examples of FAs

Hi Sarah. I just decided to reply here as it isn't anything remotely confidential and I rarely check my wikimail

• Shrine of Remembrance - Way old article that was completely replaced by Bilby (talk · contribs) and Melburnian in 2008. Bilby is an academic and always reads up on many scholarly books before writing, so the content rigour is premium-class FA. Article is also VIC/museum themed
• Bronwyn Bancroft - Indig Aus artist, recent work by Hamiltonstone
• Makinti Napanangka - per Bancroft
• HMS Endeavour - Captain Cook's ship, recent FA, the editor used the Aus Nat Maritime Museum's stuff extensively

The full list is at Category:FA-Class Australia articles. I guess recently-written history ones are good examples. Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) has at least a half dozen in the past year; he's a professional military historian in Canberra and uses the AWM stuff, so it seems YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I haven't bothered to give examples that weren't museum/GLAM/history themed but there are others. The problem with old FAs is that the standards have gone up, generally there is little degradation except on articles about major countries, cities and the like, or POV magnets YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you're wonderful, thanks heaps for that Mr Monkey. They are history curators and collection managers so HMS Endeavour would probably be best but I'll have a poke around that cat. Thank you very much for your help, I really appreciate it. I hope all is well with you. Cheers, Sarah 10:36, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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