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::Of course, I will not delete a genuine ]. But the likes of just says less than the of a list-entry in the ], and any more rubbish like that will be speedily-deleted without warning, and probably without notification. I see no evidence that you did any research or any effort to look for sources for any of these articles until I AFDed a few. You have been busy creating articles with so little care or thought that you couldn't be arsed to even pipe a link to hide a disambiguator, or add any categories or make any effort to look for sources; it seem that you simply cop-pasted from disambiguation pages and clicked save. If that's all the effort you put in, then don't expect these additions to your to stay ... because they are not articles. Speedy deletion takes very little of my time: almost as little as it took you to splat-paste the text used to create these useless one-liners! | ::Of course, I will not delete a genuine ]. But the likes of just says less than the of a list-entry in the ], and any more rubbish like that will be speedily-deleted without warning, and probably without notification. I see no evidence that you did any research or any effort to look for sources for any of these articles until I AFDed a few. You have been busy creating articles with so little care or thought that you couldn't be arsed to even pipe a link to hide a disambiguator, or add any categories or make any effort to look for sources; it seem that you simply cop-pasted from disambiguation pages and clicked save. If that's all the effort you put in, then don't expect these additions to your to stay ... because they are not articles. Speedy deletion takes very little of my time: almost as little as it took you to splat-paste the text used to create these useless one-liners! | ||
::Oh, and my tone probably sounds uncivil. That's because after a few hours of trying to open a discussion with you while you proceeded to ignore me, I'm rather fed up with your rudeness. I don't know whether you are trying to game the system or what exactly you are trying to achieve, but it's very tedious to encounter your trademark combination of ignore-requests-to-talk-and-keeping-on-doing-what-the-other-person-objects-to ... but I got a solution now. It's not at all the sort of solution I'd like, but since you either unable or unwilling to try to understand that is not an article, speedy deletion-on-sight is the lesat-worst option. --] <small>] • (])</small> 10:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ::Oh, and my tone probably sounds uncivil. That's because after a few hours of trying to open a discussion with you while you proceeded to ignore me, I'm rather fed up with your rudeness. I don't know whether you are trying to game the system or what exactly you are trying to achieve, but it's very tedious to encounter your trademark combination of ignore-requests-to-talk-and-keeping-on-doing-what-the-other-person-objects-to ... but I got a solution now. It's not at all the sort of solution I'd like, but since you either unable or unwilling to try to understand that is not an article, speedy deletion-on-sight is the lesat-worst option. --] <small>] • (])</small> 10:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
PS I see that you posted here as {{user|Boleyn3}}. That's the 3rd account you have used this morning, and at least the 5th time you have logged out of one ID and logged in as another. This random switching of accounts is disruptive. --] <small>] • (])</small> 10:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Just wanted to show my support for your tireless contributions to hndis-cleanup, for both you and your alter-ego. The recent criticism is completely unjustified, I have always found your edits to follow WP:MOSDAB scrupulously. Editorial differences will always occur but this should never have gone beyond the pages concerned or your talk page. Keep up the good work! Tassedethe (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC) |
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For just being you day after day Happydude 69ya (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks for all your help at Misplaced Pages:Suggestions for name disambiguation! Those dab pages may Misplaced Pages more useful and accessible for everyone, and your work is appreciated. – Quadell 14:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC) |
We did it!
Thanks so much for your help finishing off the missing disambiguation links. You made it happen! – Quadell 14:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC) |
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For all your hard work cleaning up disambiguation pages, and consistently tagging worthless pages for removal, I hereby award you this barnstar! Keep up the good work! --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC) |
Robert Smith
Please stop removing Robert Melville Smith from Robert Smith. Just because the page was deleted at some point in the past does not mean it should be removed. It fits the other criteria for inclusion and he is a notable enough person to warrant an article. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 22:36, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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pdiff
Hi Boleyn, could you explain why pdiff needs to be cleaned up? It seems to be a fine disambig page for a few topics. Cheers, — sligocki (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I've just responded in detail on pdiff's Talk pg, there's a few ways it doesn't meet the guidelines. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
John Gascoigne
Hi, Your man here is not the same one who was redlinked in George Gascoigne! (Wrong century). Could you sort them out? Thanks. PamD (talk) 12:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Earl of Surrey
Hi - was it an oversight to delete a batch of interwiki links from this article? I think so, but I wanted to check with you. Cheers -- BPMullins | Talk 23:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, yes, that was just a mistake. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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I created this as a redirect to a disambiguation page, so I have nothing to do with it now being an article, that was created by an anon. I agree with your nomination of it, although I think it may be best to revert the article and make it a redirect again. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 08:15, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry about that. I over-twinkled....Chris (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Luther Johnson
I think things got confused when I moved Luther Johnson to Luther Alexander Johnson. I have no problem with your recent edit. It's just been a strange mix-up. If that page serves no purpose, it probably should be deleted. Maile66 (talk) 19:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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Sub-stubs
Creating new articles is a great thing, and they can start off as a stub. But a well-formed stub article some references or external links, and some attempt at appropriate categorisation.
It seems that you have been creating a lot of sub-stub articles on British politicians which say nothing at all about them except what is already available in lists, and in most cases even less information than is in those lists.
Here are some examples from May 2010:
- William Fanshawe
- John Hagan Jenkins
- Gerald Fitzroy Hohler
- Thomas Fanshawe
- John Awdeley
- John Hales (MP for Lancaster)
- William Fleetwood (MP for Lancaster)
- John Russell (Westminster MP)
- Sir John Reid, 2nd Baronet
- George Blagge
- Lewis Gordon, 3rd Marquess of Huntly
- Robert Carnegie, 3rd Earl of Southesk
- Thomas Lewis (1690-1777)
- Thomas Lewis (Welsh politician)
- John Fowke
- William Thompson (London)
- John Lee (1695–1761)
- John Mark Frederick Smith
- Leicester Viney Vernon
- Lewis Vivian Loyd
- Robert Vaughan Gower
- Zachariah Locke
- William Mayhew
- Robert Bromfield
- Richard Yarward
- George Rivers
I think that all of these articles are either on British nobleman or British Members of Parliament, who are inherently notable (see WP:POLITICIAN) ... but the fact that a topic is notable does NOT make it useful to create one-line sub-stub articles. Those just waste the time of readers, who would be better off at the constituency article, which provides more info on each individual and some context.
To take just one fairly typical example, the article Robert Vaughan Gower. Look at the state of it after your last edit:
- No mention of when he was MP for those constituencies
- No mention of what party he represented
- No categories other than those applied by a stub tag
- No dates of birth or death
- No references
- The stub tag used was {{UK-politician-stub}}. More specific stub-tags are available: {{UK-MP-stub}}, or better still {{Conservative-UK-MP-stub}} (since Robert Vaughan Gower was a Conservative)
Items 1 and 2 are all in the constituency article to which you linked, and were there when you created the aricle (see permalink). Why not include them?
Finding a few appropriate categories would not take long, and would help other editors to find these articles and expand them.
But the lack of sources really surprises me. If you had a source,, why not mention it in the article? ... and if you didn't have a source, why create the articles? It looks like you were relying on links in wikipedia articles, but wikipedia is not a reliable source.
When I came across this, I thought that it was done in a burst of editing last month, so I PRODded the articles where I can see no possibility of expansion, and bookmarked the rest to expand myself (I have some good sources on UK MPs).
But now I see that you are still creating unreferenced sub-stubs, such as Sir William Thomas, 1st Baronet. Please stop this: verifiability is one of the 5 pillars of wikipedia, and unreferenced sub-stubs don't meet the inclusion criteria ... and one-line articles are not .
You clearly have an interest in historical biographies, so why not find some reliable sources and create articles which are properly referenced and say more about the person than the bare fact that they existed? If you take a bit of time to create well-formed articles, even if they are stubs, you'll find that that they are are helpful to readers and editors, and provide a basis for further expansion. That does take more time than pasting in one line of text and pressing the save button, but while you have done a lot of quantity, a bit more quality really is needed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- And here is another recent bad one, created yesterday: James Christopher Flynn. Unsourced, uncategorised, with less info than is available in the constituency article ... and even though the article contains only 17 words, one of the two sentences is simply wrong: Flynn was NOT a "British" politician -- he was an Irish Nationalist.
- Please stop this. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- And two more pointless sub-stubs: Sir Robert William Newman, 1st Baronet and Robert Newman, 1st Baron Mamhead. Both are unsourced, uncategorised, one-liners. Were they were created to allow you to get rid of the redlinks in the disambiguation page at Robert Newman, as you did in this edit???? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- James Christopher Flynn was a member of the British parliament when all of Ireland was British, so he was both a British politician and an Irish nationalist.--Charles (talk) 09:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- And two more pointless sub-stubs: Sir Robert William Newman, 1st Baronet and Robert Newman, 1st Baron Mamhead. Both are unsourced, uncategorised, one-liners. Were they were created to allow you to get rid of the redlinks in the disambiguation page at Robert Newman, as you did in this edit???? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion
Boleyn, I am sorry that you have ignored my efforts to discuss the problems with your editing, and have preferred the disruptive approach of making no effort whatsoever to improve these unsourced, uncategorised, one-line articles until they were taken to AFD. That is a waste of the time and energy of other editors, and I won't bother doing it again.
Having re-checked the speedy deletion criteria, I see that WP:CSD#A10 permits the speedy deletion of articles which simply duplicate existing content, and that's exactly what your sub-stubs do. So in future, I will delete them on sight per WP:CSD#A10 ... and I probably won't bother trying to discuss it with you, since you don't respond. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- It is three hours since your first message (which I didn't see straight away, as I wasn't online), so I don't think it's far to say I don't respond to messages. I usually also try to think things through from the other person's viewpoint as well before responding, so I rarely fire back a response in seconds. These entries meet WP:POLITICIAN and are therefore notable. It doesn't seem like the best use of your time to nominate these for deletion, when they can be expanded. All have multiple mentions on a Google search. I have expanded all the articles nominated for AfD. Without expert input, they will remain stubs, but they no longer simply duplicate information elsewhere on WP. Best wishes, Boleyn3 (talk) 09:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- After you saw my message, you had plenty of time to do lots of editing, log in and out of your various accounts at least four times, remove all the PRODs, post at AFD, and edit the articles ... and delete the reminder notices I posted to your other talk page. If you wanted time to think, you could simply have posted "I'm thinking about it" and stayed off that sort of editing until you'd finished thinking .... but instead you ignored what I had written and proceeded as before.
- Anyway, I'll repeat what I said above: if I find any further sub-stubs which simply duplicate list entries, I will delete them on sight per WP:CSD#A10. That applies to nearly all of the articles listed above.
- Of course, I will not delete a genuine stub article. But the likes of this just says less than the of a list-entry in the constituency article, and any more rubbish like that will be speedily-deleted without warning, and probably without notification. I see no evidence that you did any research or any effort to look for sources for any of these articles until I AFDed a few. You have been busy creating articles with so little care or thought that you couldn't be arsed to even pipe a link to hide a disambiguator, or add any categories or make any effort to look for sources; it seem that you simply cop-pasted from disambiguation pages and clicked save. If that's all the effort you put in, then don't expect these additions to your articles I created list to stay ... because they are not articles. Speedy deletion takes very little of my time: almost as little as it took you to splat-paste the text used to create these useless one-liners!
- Oh, and my tone probably sounds uncivil. That's because after a few hours of trying to open a discussion with you while you proceeded to ignore me, I'm rather fed up with your rudeness. I don't know whether you are trying to game the system or what exactly you are trying to achieve, but it's very tedious to encounter your trademark combination of ignore-requests-to-talk-and-keeping-on-doing-what-the-other-person-objects-to ... but I got a solution now. It's not at all the sort of solution I'd like, but since you either unable or unwilling to try to understand that this is not an article, speedy deletion-on-sight is the lesat-worst option. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:37, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
PS I see that you posted here as Boleyn3 (talk · contribs). That's the 3rd account you have used this morning, and at least the 5th time you have logged out of one ID and logged in as another. This random switching of accounts is disruptive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)