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I think the NY Times, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today and Oprah all count as "reliable, independent secondary sources". ] (]) 05:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC) I think the NY Times, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today and Oprah all count as "reliable, independent secondary sources". ] (]) 05:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

::Passing mention in newspaper articles does not in itself constitute notability, nor do these resources provide enough information to go beyond the creation of a stub. ] requires '''depth of coverage''': "Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization." You can ask for a ], though. I also offer a gentle recommendation to stay away from ] and ] words and phrases, e.g. "garnered much attention nationwide". Although such a claim might be true, is it not ] without doing ], and even then, what is "much"? This article's sources are also all still primary sources (Teach for America (which has direct ties to Rhee), The New Teacher Project itself, and the President of The New Teacher Project). So, I am putting the tag back up. Please do not remove it until references meeting Misplaced Pages's standards for verifiability and reliable sources have been met (see links in the tag).--] (]) 16:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

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TNTP has been funding a number of studies and projects that seek to change how teachers are hired, evaluated and fired in the United States. This organization has some serious political pull, which is but one reason why this page should not be deleted. Jhurlburt (talk) 05:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

At this point, I think you need to establish notability (organizations).--Lhakthong (talk) 05:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Google....

Rhee Tackles Classroom Challenge http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1862444,00.html

Our view on education: When every teacher is rated 'great,' students suffer http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2010-09-09-editorial09_ST_N.htm

The Wall Street Journal: Editorial: No (Tenured) Teacher Left Behind http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069502242529826.html

Dangling Money, Obama Pushes an Education Shift http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/education/17educ.html

The Career Change That Changes You http://www.oprah.com/money/The-New-Teacher-Project

I think the NY Times, Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, USA Today and Oprah all count as "reliable, independent secondary sources". Jhurlburt (talk) 05:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Passing mention in newspaper articles does not in itself constitute notability, nor do these resources provide enough information to go beyond the creation of a stub. Notability requires depth of coverage: "Deep coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond routine announcements and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about an organization." You can ask for a Third person's opinion, though. I also offer a gentle recommendation to stay away from peacock and weasel words and phrases, e.g. "garnered much attention nationwide". Although such a claim might be true, is it not verifiable without doing original research, and even then, what is "much"? This article's sources are also all still primary sources (Teach for America (which has direct ties to Rhee), The New Teacher Project itself, and the President of The New Teacher Project). So, I am putting the tag back up. Please do not remove it until references meeting Misplaced Pages's standards for verifiability and reliable sources have been met (see links in the tag).--Lhakthong (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)