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I believe that the bottom paragraph of this article is biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.140.63.214 (talk • contribs)

• I agree -- I've edited it to a less biased version. Don't forget that you can do this yourself! Just click the "edit this page" tab to fix it. Tim Pierce 21:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I see some other people are working on this page as well. Anyway, I am finding it difficult to find information on the early life of Ollanta (even from sources in Spanish), everything I can find is from the 2000 revolt onward. If anyone can find some information on his early life and how he became a solider it would be very much appreciated. There has to be some important/interesting stuff, he was a military officer during the whole Shining Path rebellion. Also, I'm pretty messed up with the whole "image policy" situation, if someone can find an image of Ollanta to find that would be great. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I added an image and I know it's grainy (sorry guys but I have to save pictures to paint in order to get them as .gif instead of .bmp files and that takes away some coloring from the original image). Anyway, if someone could go on the link to which I got the image (you can find it by clicking on the image, I put it there) and get a clear image of it and put it here that would be really helpful. Thanks.-Jersey Devil 08:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Newspaper

About a year ago, the Movimiento Etnocacerista handed me a newspaper named "Ollanta." The webpage of this paper, which hasn't been updated in years, can be seen here . Anyway, about a month ago I saw the same newspaper, with the same exact format and tagline ("The Nationalist Press that Peru Needs"), only it had been renamed "Antauro." Has the Movimiento Etnocacerista abandoned Ollanta? Are they supporting his more radical brother? There is also a building with a very large banner in Cusco that simply says "Humala Presidente" and has a picture of Antauro. It also has the symbol of a political party. I don't know what party is backing Antauro, but its symbol is a bean-shaped seed sprouting a plant. Is Antauro actually running against his brother? --Descendall 22:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know Antauro Humala is still in prision and facing trial for his rebelion on Abancay. He attempted to run for congress under a minor political party , but the JNE rejected his candidacy in the grounds that he is facing trial. Messhermit 00:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I think that there may be some truth to it. My cousin, who is Peruvian (as in actually born and raised their not Peruvian-American) told me something a bit similar. There was a difference though, he said it wasn't Antauro but another one of Humala's brothers. But I am pretty sure that there is at least another Humala brother running in the election. Other things of interest is the father of the Humalas, Isaac Humala. He put all his children in military school from early on for 'amor de la patria'. Some links, the second one is an interview with Isaac Humala on Peru.com -Jersey Devil 22:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

It is correct: Ollanta Humala and Ulises Humala are running for President in 2006. Ulices is more identified with Antauro, and has declared that his brother Ollanta no longer represents the radical change that Peru needs. Messhermit 00:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, and here is a source (Yahoo News in Spanish) confirming that -Jersey Devil 06:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Union for Peru or Peruvian Nationalist Party?

Which one is it? From my understanding he founded the PNP but is running under a coalition ticket of the Union for Peru and the Peruvian Nationalist Party. However, the article doesn't make that clear.-Jersey Devil 02:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

He was forced to make a deal with Union of Peru in order to participate in the elections. His party, the Peruvian Nationalist's, didn't manage to get the authorisation (not enought votes) for running a Presidential Candidate from the Jurado Nacional de Elecciones. In these way, Union of Peru launched his bid to the presidency. Messhermit 02:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

IP edits

There have been some IP edits that I am considering reverting. I'll wait for comments. On a side note, it is ridiculous Misplaced Pages policy to continue to allow IP's to edit articles.-Jersey Devil 21:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

It complement some points, but also promotes some POV. Messhermit 00:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

"Andean Stormtroopers"? This guy seems to be adding POV left and right. The only thing of value added is some stuff about Isaac Humala who was in fact a Communist lawyer who put his 7 kids through military schools. I'm going to revert most of the POV stuff, if anyone has a problem with it you should voice it here. If you check, the same IP is also making edits in other pages related to this page-User:Jersey Devil 05:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Links don't have to be NPOV, and it's not like the guy is only adding stuff from the right -- he also linked to the Maoist El Diario --Descendall 03:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Links can be POV, and in that sence I would say that they must be readed by a wikipedist and determine if they are POV or NPOV. I would not say that Maoist newspapers are the most reliable ones... Messhermit 05:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

To be fair, El Diario seems to be more moderate now. At least they aren't the clear mouthpiece of the Shining Path anymore like they used to be. But in any event, links can obviously be POV, even extremely POV; after all, we do link to the campaign's webpage. The one blatant NPOV violation that I saw with the IP was the reference to Ollanta as an "ideolouge." That kind of language is obviously loaded. --Descendall 08:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Human Rights Violations?

The following was recently added to the article:

Humala has also been accused of torturing peasants under nom de guerre "El Capitan Carlos" ("Captain Carlos") during the 1980s. While he and the PNP have denied the accusations, and that he ever used such a pseudonym, his brother Antauro Humala recently stated that Humala certainly used such a name during their activities.

Is "El Universal" a reliable source? I've never heard of it before. And are there any other sources which back the claims?-Jersey Devil --Jersey Devil 01:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

An Update, I've found these articles in La Republica about it. -Jersey Devil 02:46, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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"El Universal" is not a reliable source but the case of Ollanta's Human Right Violations apears to be a true case. Because the army has burned all documents about the case to protect its officials.

About reliable information, you can find it in : "La República" "El Comercio" "Perú 21" "RPP":

http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/online/ http://www.larepublica.com.pe/ http://www.peru21.com.pe/ http://www.rpp.com.pe/portada/

It should be noted that Ollanta claims that the Flores campaign is behind these accusations, and that the cicha press is acting in collusion with her party. This may sound like a wild accusation for Ollanta to make, but the press in Peru does have a history of spreading misinformation on behalf of political candidates. Montesinos regularly paid off TV stations. --Descendall 21:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Ollanta´s Political Orientation

Ollanta is consider a leftist because of his admiration to the General Velasco's government in Perú and because of his friendship with Chavez. Also because he wants to make public some private enterprises. (State economy) But this is seen also in Hitler's National Socialist (Nazi) economy.

Then the topic that differences socialist measures with a fascist inclination is citizenship. Ollanta is a fascist, in his government only ancient inca's race will have the right to be citizens. Other “races” like white or chinese will have less rights and could not be called “Peruvians”.

Socialist or liberals leftists think this racism is unacceptable. Simplifying the political Peruvian spectrum will be something like this: Left: Socialists , Center: liberals, Right: Conservatives, Extreme Right: fascist

Chimuelfuerte

Feel free to add that if you have a source, but I doubt that you're going to find one. No one in Peru would ever say that their "race" is "Inca." That would be a misunderstanding of the word Inca. The closest you might get to that is someone who said that their race is Quechua or Serrana. I would be shocked if Humala said that he was going to revoke the citizenship of people who aren't Serrano, first because that would be extremely radical and second because that would lose him the election -- most people in Lima probably consider themselves Mestizo. --Descendall 21:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The good thing about Peru is that the issue of race is not always an important factor in any type of Elections. President Toledo attempted to gather that (portraying himself as a Cholo) in contrast to President Fujimori (nicknamed Chino) and it didn't succed. He was only able to win the 2001 election because of the overwhelming anti-Alan García vote. I don't believe that Humala is gonna be dumb enought to play that card. Messhermit 15:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I would add to that that simply playing up your ethnic roots isn't really akin to racism and certainly doesn't lead to the revocation of citizenship for everyone else. All Peruvian politicians put on a chullo every now and then -- it's no different than Bush putting on a cowboy hat. Toledo certainly didn't revoke the citizenship rights of mestizos, and Ollanta isn't going to either. On a side note, I always think that Ollanta looks a little silly in his poncho and chullo while standing in front of a wiphala -- the guy is obviously light-skinned. A cholo he isn't. --Descendall 18:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Im glad you are positive. I agree with the example of Messhermit that race hasen't played a determinant role in elections before. But that doesn't mean it can play it on this elections or that Ollanta had said it many times. I have seen he on TV. About he being "cholo" i don't think he is because he is not, he is "mestizo".What diferences the case of Toledo saying he is Cholo from Ollanta is that Toledo didn't use the subject of the race like a subject of campain. And that he uses negatively.

Vargas Llosa, Perú's famous writer writes about it. http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200601231434 Chimuelfuerte 02:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Vargas Llosa is not exactly a source that I would call NPOV. He is actually famous not only for his writting skills, but also because of his out-of-context political remarks in Peru. Messhermit 04:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Bringing up the issue of race with regards to the ethnocaceristas is fine. However, as Messhermit pointed out at Misplaced Pages the foremost important issue (especially with regards to political issues) is keeping them NPOV. And as Messhermit pointed out, Vargas Llosa is not an NPOV source. He is a stanch market liberal, Thatcherite, and ran for the Peruvian Presidency. So he is not an apolitical figure, nor do I think that "Venezuela-Crisis" is a NPOV source. A good idea would be to say "Mario Vargas Llosa, a champion of the free-market, writer, and former Presidential hopeful, says this about Ollanta Humala or argues this about the use of race in political elections.....".-Jersey Devil 10:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I would say that is better to avoid such controvertial quotes. Vargas Llosa is too overrated regarding political opinions. Messhermit 14:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Interstingly enough, the article itself makes corrects a mistake that I find a lot of Americans seem to make: that Latin Americans use the term "raza" in the same way that people from the United States do. Llosa argues that Humala is a "misti" because his father has money. You never hear of English-speakers talk about race in terms like that. A white person who had a poor father isn't considered "black" in the United States. Since this is the English wikipedia, we should be careful when we talk about the Latin American conception of race. One other thing -- Llosa doesn't claim that Ollanta Humala would revoke the citizenship of mitis. He claim that Ollanta Humala's father hypocrtically would. --Descendall 00:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Peru Election 2006: Ollanta Humala Faces Human Rights Accusations

http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/peru/archives/022750.php Ollanta Humala Faces Human Rights Accusations Ollanta Humala faces at least three serious allegations of human rights abuse from the period in which he was commander in a military base in Madre Mia in 1992. Humala was under the command of the now fugitive Eduardo Bellido Mora, former military chief of the Political Front of the Alto Huallaga. Bellido, a close ally of Vladimiro Montesinos, faces charges of drug-trafficking. Montesinos received drug money from a trafficker known as El Vaticano who operated in the Alto Huallaga area. A new report in La Primera suggests Humala may also have taken protection money from drug traffickers.

Humala pretende que Defensa hable por él Peru 21, 7 de febrero del 2006

- Candidato dice que tiene la 'conciencia tranquila', pero no refuta testimonios en contra - Fuentes del sector reafirman que información sobre 'capitán Carlos' habría sido destruida

Lejos de encarar las nuevas evidencias y testimonios que lo sindican como el 'capitán Carlos Gonzales', responsable de una serie de violaciones de los derechos humanos cometida en la base militar de Madre Mía, en San Martín, Ollanta Humala Tasso prefirió emplazar al Ministerio de Defensa a que revele la verdadera identidad de este personaje.

En declaraciones a su regreso de Trujillo, el candidato presidencial evitó responder si él usó o no este seudónimo durante su tiempo de servicio en dicha zona y le encargó a este sector que aclarara las denuncias en su contra, pues dijo: "yo he cumplido con mis funciones como soldado, y esa pregunta le corresponde responderla al Ministerio de Defensa, que dio la disposición de que todos los miembros de las Fuerzas Armadas, incluyendo los generales, fueran con otros nombres", aseveró.

Humala Tasso afirmó que, esta vez, "la pelota está en manos del ministro (Marciano) Rengifo; yo se la paso a él. Ya he dicho que me denuncien, si quieren, y ahora lo ratifico".

Empero, una fuente del Ministerio de Defensa reafirmó -tal como se venía especulando en los últimos días- que será difícil que el ministro o las autoridades del sector identifiquen al 'capitán Carlos', porque los archivos de esta entidad se queman cada cinco años. Así, lo más probable es que el fiscal a cargo de las investigaciones solo reciba el acta de incineración de los documentos, como ha ocurrido en otros casos.

Ollanta Humala dijo además, como curándose en salud: "Esto es parte de la campaña. Seguramente van a aparecer más 'denuncias', porque ha sido una zona de guerra y ahora todo me lo van a achacar a mí".

DENUNCIA EN PROCESO. Sin embargo, Humala se verá pronto obligado a responder a las denuncias en su contra. En los próximos días la Coordinadora Nacional de Derechos Humanos formalizará tres denuncias penales en contra del candidato presidencial por delitos de lesa humanidad, ante la fiscalía de Tocache, en San Martín. Además, Sofía Macher, del Instituto de Defensa Legal, anunció el domingo que existen cinco nuevos testimonios que comprometen aun más la situación de Humala Tasso y que se presentarán en breve.

En tanto, Arturo Bromley, jefe del Instituto de Medicina Legal, reveló que la investigación de oficio iniciada por el fiscal de Tocache, Arturo Campos, está en proceso. Según Bromley, quien envió un equipo de especialistas a la zona, en este momento "se está confrontando la información divulgada por la prensa con la que poseen la Comisión de la Verdad y los organismos de derechos humanos, y se está tomando el testimonio de los afectados", afirmó. Bromley aseguró que en 15 días se podrán conocer algunos avances.

Mientras se desarrollan las pesquisas, el vocero del Partido Nacionalista Peruano (PNP), Daniel Abugattás, se ratificó en sus acusaciones a miembros de Unidad Nacional, quienes, en su opinión, habrían comprado testimonios para comprometer a Humala en las violaciones de derechos humanos acaecidas en Madre Mía y afirmó que UN pagó US$ 3 mil a cada testigo.

Para probarlo, presentó un video en el que aparece el juez de Paz de Madre Mía, identificado como Mario Apéstegui Rodríguez, en el que asegura que los militares al mando del 'capitán Carlos' nunca "maltrataron una persona". Sin embargo, hasta donde se pudo apreciar, esta cinta no prueba fehacientemente que se haya pagado por los testimonios.

Igualmente, César Hildebrandt confirmó anoche que un equipo de su programa había llegado hasta la zona y verificado la debilidad de las primeras declaraciones recogidas por Panorama y difundidas el 22 de enero pasado. Indicó además que en su investigación no se comprobó que enviados de UN hubieran comprado testigos, como acusan los voceros humalistas.

De otros lado, la Defensoría del Pueblo informó que el PNP le presentó una denuncia contra UN por esta presunta compra de testimonios. En ese sentido, informó que estos hechos deben ser puestos en conocimiento del Jurado Nacional de Elecciones -al que le corresponde fiscalizar la legalidad de los comicios- y del Ministerio Público, pues la defensoría no tiene competencia en esos casos.

"Que asuma su responsabilidad" Francisco Soberón Garrido, Secretario ejecutivo de la Coordinadora Nacional de Derechos Humanos Peru 21, 7 de febrero del 2006

Ollanta Humala no puede escudarse en lo que diga o deje de decir el Ministerio de Defensa. Tiene que asumir su responsabilidad porque existen documentos y testimonios contundentes que lo sindican como el 'capitán Carlos Gonzales'. Él mismo ha admitido que estuvo en Madre Mía en junio de 1992 y tiene que aclarar qué hizo en esas fechas y enfrentar a los familiares de los desaparecidos que lo han denunciado en los medios de comunicación.

La Coordinadora Nacional de Derechos Humanos tenía registro de estos casos desde 1995, pero no teníamos información para identificar a los presuntos responsables. Esta semana vamos a presentar tres denuncias penales contra Humala, ante la fiscalía de Tocache. Los denunciantes son Áurea Felipe Hermosilla, cuyo esposo fue secuestrado y desaparecido; Norvil Estela Delgado, cuyo hijo fue secuestrado y asesinado; y Jorge Ávila Rivera, quien fue detenido y se escapó, pero cuya hermana y cuñado fueron asesinados.

Estos no son hechos aislados, fueron parte de una práctica generalizada de abuso, dirigida por el prófugo ex jefe del Frente Político Militar del Huallaga, Eduardo Bellido Mora.

Ex narcotraficante del Alto Huallaga implica a candidato presidencial en actos ilícitos: “Ollanta me cobró cupo” Por Daniel Yovera La Primera, 7 de febrero del 2006

La semana pasada, La Primera llegó hasta el Alto Huallaga, siguiéndole la pista al cuestionado historial del comandante (r) EP Ollanta Humala Tasso, quien en la época más cruda de la guerra contra el terrorismo, cuando estaba al mando de la base contrasubversiva de Madre Mía, se hacía llamar capitán Carlos.

Apenas llegamos al distrito de Aucayacu, entablamos conversación con dirigentes de la zona. Todos comentaban sobre las denuncias por violación de derechos humanos aparecidas contra Ollanta, pero uno de ellos nos llamó a un lado y nos dijo “con los narcos también se la agarró, yo tengo un pariente que lo recuerda”. Y fuimos a buscar al familiar en cuestión.

Al día siguiente ya estábamos en el caserío de La Morada, donde Miqueas Tuesta Rengifo nos confesó haberle pagado un cupo al entonces capitán Carlos, para evitar la confiscación de su cargamento de droga.

Acceso difícil Miqueas Tuesta señala haber sido narcotraficante en los noventa. Hoy tiene 43 años, es agricultor y asegura dedicarse a su familia, sus tierras y animales, y a su fe, pues se volvió evangélico.

Vive en La Morada, a dos horas de Aucayacu, pero trabaja en su chacra todo el día. Para llegar ahí hay que caminar hora y media por una angosta trocha, luego cruzar lo que queda de un puente que atraviesa el caudaloso río Martha, afluente del Huallaga, y finalmente ascender y bordear una montaña llena de fango y vegetación. Las lluvias de esta época vuelven de cuidado el terreno.

Tuesta nos recibe impasible, parece adivinar el motivo de la visita. Minutos después empieza a soltarse. “Yo he trabajado en la marmaja (el negocio de la droga), sé todo y los conozco a todos”.

Él afirma haber conocido bien a Ollanta Humala y acota que éste lo recordará, pues se le “prendió”. “Él sabía que yo estaba metido en el asunto, por eso me perseguía, por eso se llevó algunas cosas mías”, indica.

Cobró cupos “Era el año ’92, no recuerdo la fecha exacta. Entonces me dedicaba al narcotráfico y un día fui interceptado en la carretera de Madre Mía por una patrulla, era el capitán Carlos.

Yo estaba en un auto colectivo y en la capota tenía una mochila con droga. El Ejército nos cobraba una cantidad por kilo y yo llevaba 8 kilos”, recuerda Tuesta.

“La patrulla encontró la coca. Entonces el capitán Carlos me preguntó ‘¿cuánto hay allí?’. Ocho kilos, le dije. ‘¡Entonces son 400 dólares!’”, relata Tuesta, quien tuvo que conseguir ese dinero y dárselo a uno de los soldados de Ollanta para evitar que su “mercancía” fuese requisada.

Tuesta precisa que eso era costumbre entre los militares de la zona, “unos más que otros, y Ollanta no era la excepción, ¿qué va a ser si le gustaba el dinero? Cuando le daban, al toque recibía”.

Además, Tuesta refiere que evitaba cruzarse con el capitán Carlos, por eso sólo lo vio dos veces. “Esa vez que le di su propina”, y otra más, cuando detalla que se apropió de dos motos suyas.

Las motos Según Miqueas Tuesta, un día lo sindicaron como miembro de Sendero Luminoso. “Me acusó ante el capitán Carlos un muchacho que se llamaba Nelson Hoyos, quien ya estaba pedido. Cuando cae, me involucra”, asevera.

“Carlos sabía que yo no era senderista, pero sí que yo trabajaba en la marmaja (el negocio de la droga), y por eso me buscaba, por dinero”, revela. De hecho, en una de sus incursiones a La Morada, el capitán entró a casa de Tuesta:

“Yo estaba ahí, no me corrí porque no le tengo miedo a nadie. No me cogió, pero me quitó una moto Yamaha 250. Después me la vendió por intermedio de un teniente, a 800 dólares.”

Pero Tuesta dice que ahí no terminaron sus líos con el capitán

Hoyos, el informante

Nelson Hoyos, quien según Miqueas Tuesta lo acusó de senderista, habría “tirado dedo” a muchos más. Varios pobladores de Madre Mía y La Morada lo recuerdan como informante de Ollanta Humala.

Y esta semana, Norvil Estela Vásquez, quien ha acusado al hoy candidato presidencial de haber desaparecido a su hijo Hermes, también nos refirió que Hoyos fue quien señaló a su hijo como “terruco”.

Pero ni los “soplos” lo habrían salvado. De acuerdo a recientes versiones periodísticas, Nelson Hoyos también desapareció a manos de los soldados de Ollanta.

Tuesta indica que Hoyos “era un pata que estaba metido (con Sendero), lo cogieron con un flaco, ex soldado, que se llamaba Micky. En Madre Mía los encontraron, Micky era inocente, pero igual lo desaparecieron, eso lo hizo el capitán Carlos, quien es hoy Ollanta Humala”.

Posted by Fabiola Bazo at February 7, 2006 09:43 AM