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Please be more careful

Hi Wayne, you need to take more care when reverting with Huggle. Take a few more seconds to examine an edit and only revert it if you're absolutely certain that the edit was made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages. I've had cause to decline a significant minority of your AIV reports and an IP editor has left a complaint on my alternate talk page. Obviously mistaken reverts and warnings can be very bitey of new editors and could drive them away so, as the heading says, please be more careful with your reverts. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to be more careful HJ, thanks for letting me know. WAYNEOLAJUWON 18:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wayne. I've fixed a userbox template for you that was not displaying correctly on you user page. BTW: A high edit count does not impress regular editors - see WP:ECT. For example, I do a lot of NPP, I don't use Huggle or Igloo, but it still often takes me several minutes to do the research according to WP:BEFORE and to make up my mind - specially when working on the ones that the Huggle users can't fix! Do take HJ Mitchel's advice and slow down a bit ;) --Kudpung (talk) 00:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I have slowen down a bit, Kudpung. People don't edit Misplaced Pages to get their edit count up. WAYNESLAM 00:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that user box was specifically deactivated since Wayne did not respond to an adoption offer made by another user in June 2010. Users are generally expected to respond within a few weeks (no more than a month) to offers, whether it be accepting them or rejecting them. Wayne, if you wish to be adopted, please visit the adopt-a-user page and message an adopter. If you don't mind, please deactivate the box, since there are no active offers. (The request template is adoptme). Netalarm 03:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

It was removed by Ancient Apparition. WAYNESLAM 18:10, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Boscastle flood of 2004

Why did you revert this edit and give the editor a vandalism warning? Please add edit summaries which explain your edits, and be careful before adding warnings to editor's pages. PamD (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's what Huggle does. WAYNESLAM 21:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

No, it's what Huggle helps you to do. You as a human editor are responsible for all your edits. Please take more care in future rather than leaving inappropriate warnings on editors' talk pages. If you aren't prepared to take that responsibility, you shouldn't be using Huggle. PamD (talk) 08:16, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll be careful. WAYNESLAM 18:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Since people keep eating them....

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Thanks for the cookie! :) WAYNESLAM 23:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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New Username

Why did you change? Sophie 00:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I changed my username because I didn't want people to think that I'm related to Hakeem Olajuwon. WAYNESLAM 00:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

o...k =/ why would someone say your related? - Sophie 00:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Someone asked me that am I related to Hakeem Olajuwon and I said no. They probably asked if I'm related because they looked at my username and it said Olajuwon in it. It was pretty unnecessary. Someone asked me if I'm related. In my revert summary on Huggle, I answered there with no. Why would someone make fun of your username by asking if you're related to Lil Wayne or Hakeem Olajuwon? Wayne is a common name such as Wayne Gretzky and Reggie Wayne, for example. My username isn't my real name. I didn't want to have a weird username like I had. WAYNESLAM 00:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

My best wishes on the new user name. I never had a problem with the old one, but I wish you continued success, whatever the name you use! Alansohn (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Really? cool :) and yea...my old username (which i cant remember) changed because it was sooo hard to rememeber so when trying to log in, i would have to look at an edit i had made on a queit page to get it :) - Sophie 09:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Alan! I'm still the same user no matter what user name I have. But one thing is for sure that I will never change my username ever again. Alansohn, why don't you borrow my edit notice? WAYNESLAM 22:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your support at my RfA last week. I'll do everything I can to live up to your expectations and if you ever need help from a janitor please feel free to drop me a line! Panyd 13:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Shaun Ryder

I am not sure you should have reverted Shaun Ryder. The info is overly detailed about the kids, and the first item in the "controversy" section was a 13-year-old incident where he swore. I have removed both these things from the bio. The edits may have been performed by the subject of the article trying to get this overly detailed set of facts about his children removed from the internet. Oh by the way is that basketball player you in the photo? I had no idea you were so tall. :) --Diannaa 23:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

He didn't put that in his edit summary but no that's not me in that photo. That's Michael Jordan in the photo. WAYNESLAM 23:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No, there was no edit summary; its just my gut feeling. --Diannaa 23:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I heard gut feeling on the radio before. Soon it's going to December. WAYNESLAM 23:54, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for undoing that vandalism. I guess he/she took offense to me CSD-tagging Google map he/she'd just uploaded. –Fredddie™ 01:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome! WAYNESLAM 01:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your work in vandalism reversion. I saw your name in a few people I warned as well, and figured I'd say thanks your work. Leo 04:08, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome. WAYNESLAM 20:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting that edit

"your unknown user, catch me for the last time as nobody, get moving you little squirt"? Do you have any idea what he meant? I'm at a loss. Regardless, thanks for reverting it so quickly. It's good to know there's someone out there keeping tabs on things. !MNc99 (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome, and thanks! WAYNESLAM 20:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect warning template?

{{subst:uw-npa2|User talk:Alansohn}} ~~~~

— SpikeToronto 00:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I will change it Spike, but do you like my new username? I don't you the npa warning when there's a personal attack. WAYNESLAM 00:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

You could have issued the NPA warning from inside HG. From the pulldown list select Personal attacks. Unfortunately, once you have templated an editor using HG, if you want to change it, you have to do it manually. Sometimes my laptop mouse causes the wrong one to be issued as I am going down the list, so I have to go and manually replace the wrong template with the right one.

As for your name, I like them both. — SpikeToronto 00:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I notice that you changed the template and added a link to the edit. Very good! Nice coding! — SpikeToronto 00:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

If I select Personal attacks from my HG screen, someone may revert the attack, while I'm still trying to select personal attacks. Thanks and thanks again! WAYNESLAM 00:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

No, no, no, no. You cannot use that as an excuse not to select the correct template from the pulldown screen. You seem to still think of this as a race. So what if someone else reverts it before you do?! Seriously, I have seen recent changes patrollers lose their rollback privileges for that. If someone files a report at ANI saying that you label everything as vandalism instead of being more precise and accurate, removal of rollback is usually the outcome. Tread carefully, my friend. — SpikeToronto 00:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I won't treat this as just vandalism reverting and a race. I'll only give users attack warnings if they attack another user, would that work? WAYNESLAM 00:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

We’ve had this discussion before. We can only use the top left HG button, without bothering with the pulldown menu, if and only if what is on our diff screen is clearly vandalism. If it is something else, then we have to apply the appropriate warning from the pulldown menu. Thus,

• Spam are external links that violate WP:ELNO and/or WP:LINKSPAM → select Spam from the pulldown list
• Personal attacks (see: WP:NPA) → select Personal attacks from the pulldown list
• Editing tests → I only ever use at Level 1 (i.e., when the offender’s talk link is red) for otherwise innocuous edits that nonetheless need reverting
• Removal of content: when editor removes content without explanation that is not itself vandalism or an improvement to the article → select Removal of content from the pulldown list
• Blanking pages: when the offender blanks a page that he did not create and to which he is not the major contributor → select Blanking pages from the pulldown list
  • A clue that the page has been blanked can be found in the automated edit summary provided by the system when it says ←Blanked the page.
  • But, you still have to confrim — by looking at the history — if the editor blanking the page is the page creator and/or only significant contributor.
    • When blanked by the page creator and/or the only significant contributor, select G7 — blanked or requested by creator from the Page|Request deletion pulldown menu. (See WP:CSD#G7 for more info.)
• Biased content is content that violates WP:NPOV → select Biased content from the pulldown list
• Factual errors occur when the offender intentionally enters or alters information that is incorrect (e.g., George Bush was George VII of England) → select Factual errors from the pulldown list
• Inappropriate biographical content occurs when someone adds something to a BLP without providing a verifiable reference/citation, especially when the material added could get Misplaced Pages sued → select Inappropriate biographical content from the pulldown list
• Removal of speedy deletion template occurs when the editor has created a page, it has been flagged for speedy deletion, and, instead of placing a {{Hangon}} template on the page and providing a hangon rationale on the article’s talk page, he deletes the speedy template → select Removal of speedy deletion template from the pulldown list
• Failing to cite verifiable reliable source occurs when the offender adds something to an article that does not have a verifiable reference/citation, and would bring the reputation of Misplaced Pages into disrepute were it allowed to remain in the article until a citation can be found. These are items where an inline verification template (e.g., {{Citation needed}}) would not suffice → select Failing to cite verifiable reliable source from the pulldown list
• Advanced we discussed before here.

Remember: The purpose of the warning templates is to let the editor know what he’s done wrong so that he can develop into a productive editor. Labelling as vandalism something that is more appropriately linkspam, for example, does not help the offender become a more productive editor: labelling it as spam does. Hope this helps. Lecture over. — SpikeToronto 05:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 18:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

This edit is not vandalism. A quick Google search shows that, indeed, Ugggh was a parody of Gwar on Wizards of Waverly Place. Please slow down and don't revert if you aren't sure about an edit. Eagles 24/7 (C) 18:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You do not always have to act on what is before you in your HG screen. Sometimes I am presented with a diff that I am unsure how to deal with. In those cases, I skip it, leaving it for another recent changes patroller who would perhaps have a better understanding of the issue(s) involved. — SpikeToronto 20:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry about that. I'm just trying to be careful. WAYNESLAM 18:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, no, Wayne. If you were trying to be careful, you would not have made the error. Another example is this edit, a perfect example of one of those edits that is best dealt with not through Huggle, but by manually adding an inline verification template such as {{Citation needed}}.

You need to take a break from vandal fighting generally and Huggle specifically. You need to spend time actually contributing to articles/stubs to acquire more knowledge of how articles are created/expanded/edited/etc. so that you will have a better understanding of what it is you are policing when you are vandal fighting. Later, you can return in a few months from your sojourn editing articles to re-start vandal fighting. When you return to vandal fighting, I recommend you do so manually, using RecentChanges to locate possible vandalism, then use the Undo button to manually revert and enter precise summaries explaining why you are reverting an edit. Then you would manually apply the appropriate template from WP:UTM. Ultimately you would manually file reports at AIV. Believe it or not, manually dealing with vandalism is how one is supposed to learn. This is why I, personally, do not think that rollback should be given to anyone with less than 1,000 edits. Browser-like tools such as Huggle are powerful devices that truly require editing experience to use properly.

Your talk page and talk page archives contain a litany of complaints about your vandal fighting. We must be living in a kinder, gentler Misplaced Pages world because a year ago, someone would have already brought a report to ANI. So, before this actually does happen, you really need to take a break from vandal fighting and become an actual Misplaced Pages editor. You could start as a Misplaced Pages gnome. There are lots of ways you can help this project that do not involve using Huggle. — SpikeToronto 20:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I do copy-edit or edit other articles when I'm not using Huggle, Spike. When should I put a {{Citation needed}} template? WAYNESLAM 20:48, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

I hereby award you, Wayne Slam, the Anti-Vandalism Barnstar for your impressive work fighting vandalism. You've beaten me countless times. Keep up the great work! :) --Meaghan ≈ 01:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for that colorful barnstar! :) WAYNESLAM 01:21, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

AN/I Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Rollback revoked

I have removed your rollback privileges per consensus at . Sorry Wayne, but this is for your own good as well as the community's. It was also suggested that you have a mentor to teach you what is and what is not vandalism, as well as the appropriate warning templates to use. When your mentor decides that you are ready for rollback again, you can request it at WP:PERM/R. Take care, Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I've removed your Huggle privileges in addition to Eagles' actions. I may see this a little differently, but this is not the first time you have been Huggling well above the speed limit. I can see you regaining Huggle rights in the future, but truth be told, I think this is the last of the things you should get back—I tend to suspect that if you had been doing things the old fashioned way by loading and examining diffs when you could view the entire article, this may well not have happened. After you get rollback back, and use that well for some period of time, then come talk to me and we'll discuss restoring your Huggle access. Courcelles 03:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne, I'm sorry this happened to you. Would you like me to mentor you? The Utahraptor/_Contribs 03:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Wayne was looking for a mentor a while ago, and was offered by someone in June 2010, but that adoption offer was removed since Wayne did not respond. Not that it has anything to do with this directly, but I think it shows that Wayne was looking for someone to guide him. I think mentorship would be a good idea in this situation and should help Wayne greatly. Netalarm 03:56, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I worked some with Tommy2010, so I've seen your name pop up before. If you ever want to check out new page patrolling, I'd be more than happy to work with you and Utahraptor. You can do NPP without automated tools (I did it that way for a couple of months), and there are far fewer people doing it, so it usually moves a bit slower and mistakes get corrected without much harm done. I think you'd really enjoy it, too, because you end up learning a lot from looking at the things people create. With a little guidance, I think you'll do just fine; all you need is a little polishing. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll be glad to offer any assistance I can. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Some users just don't like me. I need assistance unfortunately. I wanted a second chance but I didn't get it. Now my edit count will suffer because now I'm done with rollback due to it being removed. I just wish I would get a second chance but I didn't get it. I'm not very happy right now. WAYNESLAM 16:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reassuring everyone that revoking rollback was a good thing. Misplaced Pages is not a race. Your edit count is not what matters, it's your contributions. Your failure to realize this is one reason why you don't have rollback privileges now. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

So, now I'm disappointed because of this. Could somebody mentor me? I'm not getting help right away and I need some help now, please. I don't want to retire because of this. WAYNESLAM 16:26, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

(ec)Well you needed to take things a bit slower, especially with Huggle, as I mentioned a few days ago and it seems that you didn't. Think of it as a temporary suspension of your license for speeding. It's probably beneficial, both to you and to the project. You can easily get things back by working with a few more experienced editors, like myself, Utahraptor and The Blade of the Northern Lights. Also, Eagles is right. It's the quality of your contributions that matters, not the quantity of them. Now, if you mentoring, you have three offers above, including me, but that's not an overnight process. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:31, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Make that five offers :). Wayne, don't take this the wrong way; the removal was for your own good. I see a lot of potential in you, but you just need a push in the right direction. Derild4921Review Me! 16:35, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

And six. Remember that the quality of your edits is more important than the quality. And I'd suggest a little content work so you know what it feels like to have a good edit reverted as vandalism. access_denied (talk) 16:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

At least I'm getting some advice from you guys. Like I said earlier, I don't want to retire because of this. WAYNESLAM 16:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

(Edit conflict x3)"Now my edit count will suffer because now I'm done with rollback." Wayne, that's not the point. The point is working to improve an encyclopedia, not try and gain the most edits. I've read on your user page that you want to become an admin; I have a feeling this is why you want such a large edit count. To be blunt, if you were to try for RfA any time within the next three or so months, you would fail. For the record, adminship is completely uncorrelated to edit count; candidates such as these have all passed with relatively low edit counts, while candidates with higher edit counts than yours, such as these have been unsuccessful. I see you nominated the last of those unsuccessful candidates; perhaps you should take that alone as a sign that edit count ≠ admin material. Ultimately, it boils down to the quality of the edits, not the quantity.

Additionally, your rollback wasn't revoked because "some users just don't like ." It was revoked because your mistakes with Huggle were becoming much too frequent. We are not biased against you; we are simply trying to help you. You certainly have the potential to become a truly magnificent vandal fighter; but for now, I would strongly advise focusing your attention to other efforts. I hear you're already involved with the Guild of Copy Editors. Cheers, and good luck.

@ Access Denied: Quality is more important than itself? ;) --Dylan620 16:48, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

And Wayne, you don't have to retire because of this. Count me in as #7 to offer you mentorship. --Dylan620 16:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Dylan, confirmed. You are now my mentor. All I want to say is, I'm sorry and I won't let it happen again. Will you please forgive for what I have done wrong? I won't do it again. WAYNESLAM 18:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Wayne, I see you've run into a bit of a jam. I also note you were a friend of Tommy2010 before he retired. I was too. You may note from my userpage that I'm a rollbacker and huggler as well, though I don't use huggle that much anymore. There's just so much more to the project than reverting "PENIS!" from random pages. If you'd like I can introduce you to new page patrol and articles for creation. Both are quite fun. There are also other vandalism tools out there that don't require special permissions. Good luck, and if you need any help don't hesitate to ask me. Oh, and I'm a huge fan of no. 23. N419BH 19:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)