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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

DYK criteria

How to list a new nomination

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

   To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | author     = User
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• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
• Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
• If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name}}

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the additional rules.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
	{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
	{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Articles created/expanded on December 8

Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative

• ... that information on the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative list leaked by WikiLeaks was stated by some companies on the list to be "out of date and full of errors"?

Created by Wnt (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Wnt and I have worked really hard on expanding and referencing this article over the past few days and we're proud to bring it here now. Silverseren 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment. As an administrator monitoring this article, I would point out that there continue to be active disputes about the sourcing of this article, which disputes have overflowed to multiple dispute noticeboards. Many of the disputes involve sourcing, and the article continues to contain a great deal of information that is either unsourced, or from questionable sources. Considering the active nature of the disputes, I do not think it would be wise for this article to be a DYK candidate at this time. --Elonka 04:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Misplaced Pages. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. Silverseren 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The comment that "all of the overlowing disputes ... have been initiated by User:Elonka" is not accurate. For a complete list of where the sourcing issues are being discussed, see Misplaced Pages:AN#On linking to classified documents. --Elonka 14:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment I wish to assure people that there is no unsourced information in the article. Some people believe that the full text of the "2008 Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative (CFDI) list", a document prepared by the Department of Homeland Security in collaboration with other federal agencies, should be counted as a primary source. It is still a source. We cite it via original Wikileaked cable to the Secretary of State which included it, a Business Insider article which reprinted it in full (and two others more obscure), and a host of sources that Silverseren collected which list the items in one country or province. However, I disagree with Silverseren about any compromise involving removing the primary source while the DYK is up - it is the most definitive source. We should not make a new article worse while exposing it to new editors, nor accede to calls for censorship with no basis in law nor policy nor current practice. Wnt (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Wnt, this has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with proper sourcing, and creating an article which reflects positively on the project. There have been strong concerns expressed by multiple editors about the sourcing on the article, as well as about the large amounts of "laundry list" information. Rather than continuing to argue that you are right and any dissenters are wrong, better would be to listen to the concerns, and modify the article accordingly in an attempt to find a compromise. --Elonka 16:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• I've gone back and forth with you in several forums about whether a primary source is a source. I think WP:Primary is clear enough. Many articles like U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations use a list based entirely on one single primary source, without demands that each and every organization on the list has to be cited to a newspaper. WP:Notability is applied to articles, not to each and every item on a list. Even so Silver seren heroically dug up reams of secondary sources -- and then the argument becomes that because a secondary source quotes a primary source the information is still primary anyway, which means it's not a source! Just not true. Wnt (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

• To be clear, I am not an editor of this article, and am simply trying to ensure that the article stays in accordance with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Right now the article is attempting to reproduce, pretty much verbatim, a section from a leaked classified document. Concerns have been raised by other editors both as to whether it is appropriate to use that document as a source, and whether it is appropriate to include all of the information from that document on Misplaced Pages, especially considering that the classified document is the only source for some sections, and that those sections did not receive any coverage in reliable secondary sources. Discussions are ongoing at the talkpage, and a new Centralized RfC was just opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents. Because the sourcing of the article is in dispute, and because there are questions of legality of using the classified document, I think it would be extremely unwise to banner this article on the mainpage of Misplaced Pages in the DYK section until after the disputes are resolved. --Elonka 17:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Note that the most recent consideration of this issue at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents appears to be strongly supporting the legitimacy of the Wikileaks source, like many such discussions before it. Wnt (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• Considering that the RfC was just launched a few hours ago, it's a bit premature to say that it's supporting one thing or another. I am also very concerned by this demeanor that you are using this article, and Misplaced Pages, to make some kind of political point. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, and DYK should not be used to promote controversial views. --Elonka 21:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

• That's a response to a different sort of conversation on my talk page, and expresses my hopes for publication of the article. I did not impose that point of view into the article. I believe every editor has a personal point of view, and should not feel afraid to admit it. Wnt (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Elonka, it's obvious to uninvolved bystanders that you are on a crusade to stop or limit the use of the Wikileak documents, and to limit their visibility in cases where you have failed to stop their use. Avoiding editing of the article does not make you uninvolved. The RfC so far strongly endorses use of the documents. You may act in what you feel is best for the encyclopaedia, but either your definition of "best" is not shared by the community, or we disagree on the impact of using these documents. Please stop spreading this discussion beyond the 25 fora it already is in, and in particular, please stop waving your adminship around like a magic wand in a content dispute. Admins have no special privileges with respect to content discussions. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the best approach here will be to wait and see how the RFC turns out, as we do for AFDs. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

LOL does Elonka work for the CIA?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, I've verified the hook and think the article is good to go. It looks as if the RfC is pretty clearly going to decide using classified docs is ok and unless I'm mistaken, the article doesn't even directly reference any material from WL. Does anyone have any specific objections to this being promoted? SmartSE (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Anything that's got coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources is of course fine, but the unsourced elements should be removed, and there have been requests on the talkpage that some of the list parts would be better presented as prose. --Elonka 07:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Misplaced Pages's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, it's not as if it some random person's blog. We need to also consider whether it is an RS for what it is referencing anyway, rather than whether the whole site is an RS or not. When I do so, it is clearly an RS since it is copying a primary source, which officials have indirectly confirmed is real. As I'm now trying to explain for the third time, the whole list is referenced to BI (ref 21) and then there are extra references for many of them as well. It could be argued that the article is in fact a linkfarm since we could get away with most of them and only reference BI for the whole of the list. Removing sections like that about Japan would create a bias towards coverage in western media which is clearly not appropriate. As I still can't find any problems with the article and because the RfC is irrelevant to this article at present, I am boldly approving the article. SmartSE (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Considering that you yourself are an involved editor in the Wikileaks topic area, Smartse, I do not think that you should really be the one making that decision. There are many agenda-driven editors in this topic area right now, there is an ongoing RfC, and edit wars at multiple articles. It is not appropriate for you to force one of the disputed articles onto the Misplaced Pages mainpage, over objections by other editors. --Elonka 18:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I haven't forced anything anywhere, I've just indicated that there are no reasons why this shouldn't be displayed on the main page and it's up to others to move it to prep and then the main page. The fact that I've edited WL articles is irrelevant to my ability to review an article against DYK criteria and nearly all the edits I have made in the area have been general maintenance, rather than trying to push some POV as your comment insinuates. You appear to be the only editor who doesn't agree, but you don't seem to be able explain why, other than that you don't like the idea. SmartSE (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I have explained multiple times: (1) There are editors who disagree with the state of the article, but who get reverted when they try to change things; (2) There is an ongoing RfC; (3) The RfC has a great deal of participation from involved editors, but is not matching up with other discussions that occurred among uninvolved editors, such as at WP:ELN; (4) There appears to be decreased participation in the RfC right now because of the holidays; (5) I am not the only one who has suggested waiting (see above comment by Gatoclass); (6) There appears to be an attempt by some editors to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground to make a political point, by reproducing contents of classified documents here. It's one thing for there to be a dispute about this, it's another for something as controversial as leaked classified information, sourced only to primary sources, suddenly appearing on Misplaced Pages's mainpage in the DYK section. I am of the strong opinion that this would be extremely unwise, especially since there have been prior discussions strongly objecting to the use of classified documents as sources, the RfC is still ongoing, and the WMF has not yet weighed in on the issue of legality. So rather than pushing this article through to the mainpage over objections, let's please take our time and make sure we're getting things right. --Elonka 03:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 12

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

• ... that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim will be run on a new game engine instead of Gamebryo, which had previously been used for The Elder Scrolls III and IV?

• ALT1:... that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim will use a new game engine that will have technology incorporated from other Bethseda games such as The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Fallout 3?

Created by Shardok (talk). Nominated by Ike-bana (talk) at 01:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

• Neither of these hooks excite (although the news of TES:V definitely does,) although we are working with limited information. I'd love to see a 5x expansion in Feb and the hooks that generates. Ohh, I'm so freaking excited... Sven Manguard Wha? 19:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Article is rather speculative and includes rumors and other padding to reach just 1571 characters of readable prose. Game is not scheduled to be released until mid-Nove,ber 2011. - Dravecky (talk) 12:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 16

V-2 rocket facilities

• ... that there were multiple V-2 rocket facilities in World War II?

Created by Target for Today (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 14:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good, although would be more compelling if it hooked the fact that the facilities had to be moved several times. Suggested alternative hook:

... that Nazi Germany moved their V-2 rocket facilities several times during World War II due to Allied action?

however this would require the addition of a couple more in-line references Ivolocy (talk) 12:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree that either of these so-called "hooks" are worth knowing (the fact that the bunkers were abandoned is more notable than some facilities were moved--few of which were ever operationally used). The most notable fact associated with the article is the 'Nazi Germany's V-2 rocket facilities of World War II extended from France (Cherbourg) to the Ukraine (Pinsk Marshes), yet all Robot Blitz V-2 launches were from transportable firing tables used by mobile batteries.' Also, there are ~30 citations already, so it is not clear to what particular "couple more" would be needed for the vague "hooks", above. Perhaps the "couple more" claim is regarding that A, B, ... F, ... Z level I've seen associated with some articles, but I doubt the wikicommunity will be updating the article for such a better assessment anytime soon. In my case I've noticed some articles that are highly inaccurate and need work to support readability, so that is my priority for editing. For example, I have quite a bit of Georg Rickhey info ready to post as an article, but I just noticed that appears to be prohibited because of a 2007 administrator's deletion for some reason. Ah, bureacracy ... Target for Today (talk) 17:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

William Shernoff and Hurricane Val

• ... that the payout of $86.7 million related to William Shernoff's case against an insurance firm who failed to accept the damage of Hurricane Val (pictured) in American Samoa was stated to be "the largest insurance bad faith verdict in the state of California in 1995"?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Img added

Probably needs shortening, if somebody could reword it..♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alternate suggestion for the hook ALT Hook ... that an insurance firm who refused to honour damages of Hurricane Val (pictured) in American Samoa in the case of William Shernoff known as "the largest insurance bad faith verdict in the state of California in 1995” paid up $86.7 million? -- N.V.V. Char . 23:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article for Severe Tropical Cyclone Val checks out ok in regard to length and date and is clearly ready to appear on the main page. The issue I have with the hook and with the article about William Shernoff is that the claim regarding "the largest insurance bad faith verdict in the state of California in 1995" appears to come directly from the website for Shernoff's law firm and most of the rest seems to be based on a puff piece from a publication called the Beverly Hills Times that does not appear to be the most discriminating of sources. The Shernoff article should have better sources and the claim in the hook needs to be based on a more reputable and independent source, in addition to working on rewording the hook to make it a bit clearer. Alansohn (talk) 01:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alternate suggestion for the hook ALT Hook ... that Severe Tropical Cyclone Val caused $250 million in damage? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Biham-Middleton-Levine Traffic Model

Template:DYK Watch

• ... that the Biham-Middleton-Levine traffic model is the simplest model that has both phase transitions and self-organization (video right)?

Created by Purpy Pupple (talk). Self nom at 09:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• interesting! Victuallers (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
• The source for the statement says "is perhaps the simplest system...". Should the hook be modified to say something like "...is believed to be..." ? --İnfoCan (talk) 23:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Here's a suggested ALT hook that would both soften the language and clarify that this is not claimed to be the world's simplest model of anything:

• ALT1... that the Biham-Middleton-Levine model may be the simplest model of traffic flow that has both phase transitions and self-organization (video right)? --Orlady (talk) 16:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Gia Allemand

• ... that Maxim model and reality television contestant Gia Allemand will star as Ava Gardner in an upcoming film about the life of Gianni Russo?

Created by Burningview (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

• Considering what happened to Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future, let's not use "will star". How about a hook with "is cast to play the role of..."? Just in case a re-casting is in the works. --PFHLai (talk) 18:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good point. Thanks for reminding me it's just above speculation at this point. Movie roles definitely are not set in stone especially this early in production. How about, ALT ... that Maxim model and reality television contestant Gia Allemand has been selected to play the role of Ava Gardner in an upcoming film about the life of Gianni Russo? Feel free to tweak it or suggest another hook. Thanks again. BV 02:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I happen to have the book used as a source for some of the Carl Pavano information, and I'm concerned that a couple of parts of the article are close to it:
• Book: "Pavano drove his 2006 Porsche into a parked sanitation truck". Article: "Pavano drove his Porsche into a parked truck."
• Book: "(Allemand was) ushered away before the police arrived." Article: "Pavano ushered Allemand away from the scene before the police arrived." These are both close paraphrases, perhaps too close. I looked at a few other references and found one other issue in the same vein:
• Reference 1 (Queens Tribune): "she told us that modeling and pagentry have been her way of life". Article: "Modeling and pagentry have been a way of life for Allemand." Again, this is quite close in the structure. These should be addressed before this gets put on the main page, and it would be helpful if someone could check the rest for similar problems. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I reworded the parts you've mentioned. I hope it is now satisfactory and that the prose structure is detached from the references. As for the rest of the sources I'm confident they are not as closely followed as the ones you pointed out. Thanks for your concerned advice. BV 23:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 17

Death of Aristotelis Goumas

• ... that the death of Aristotelis Goumas sparked outrage throughout the predominantly ethnic Greek region of Himarë?

Created by Athenean (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article length and date both check out. However I have NPOV concerns about the hook; it is not really saying much, and uses the charged phrased "sparked outrage". It is difficult to gage "outrage" and while the reactions were rather fierce judging from the article, the phrase "sparked outrage" might be too strong, especially as the incident is relatively recent and the suspects have not yet been convicted. Intelligentsium 03:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

"cause riots" instead? Athenean (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

"in Albania" needs to be added! Johnbod (talk) 04:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

That definitely, yes. It should be noted that the article is currently at WP:AFD, where, unfortunately, not arguments but the number of Greek or Albanian users that vote will decide its fate. I have NPOV concerns not only with the hook (it's overall tone and choice of words appears opinion-loaded to me), but also with the article itself. A particular problem is that mostly Greek sources have been used to reference important facts and only opinions from the Greek side seem to be represented in the Reactions section. Personally, I'd like to hear more opinions before we decide on the hook. — Toдor Boжinov — 16:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Easton Lodge

• ... that Easton Lodge was a stately home in England, once famous for society gatherings frequented by the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII)?

Created by Ivolocy (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Alternative hook: ... that Easton Lodge, once a stately home in England famous for society gatherings frequented by the Prince of Wales, had 10,000 trees destroyed to create RAF Great Dunmow during World War II? Ivolocy (talk) 02:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Both Verified.--White Shadows 21:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, often attended weekend society gatherings in Sussex, England, held at the Easton Lodge, the home of Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick (pictured)? --PFHLai (talk) 01:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 18

When We Die As Martyrs

• ... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs" performed by Arab children choir Birds of Paradise has became a world-famous hit song?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have invited comment from the IPCOLL WikiProject here. Articles about songs where Arab children extoll the virtues of matyrs killing Israelis strike me as a place where we need to be extra careful about neutrality and invite wide participation in our deliberations. I make this comment without having come to any view of the article or the proposed hook. EdChem (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I have some concerns about the claims made in the hook and the article, they do not seem adequately sourced. I would expect a "world-famous hit song" to have more news hits than news.google shows. un☯mi 13:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

What a reasonable observation! BTW why it should be in a news? Not to compare the Beatles to birds of paradise, but is the Beatles "Yesterday" a world-famous hit song? Why there are so little news about it? --Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• The cited claim "world-famous hit song" is dubious, and a poor description of the cited text "the song is a hit on Arabic and worldwide websites," which is quite frankly purely subjective. So the DYK fact is not clear, nor frankly is the notability of a YouTube phenomenon. The cited sources seem to make Bird of Paradise notable, however.--Carwil (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 1 ... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs", performed by Arab children's choir Birds of Paradise, has swept Arab satellite channels, becoming some of the most popular programming for Arab children?

Alt 1 is supported by this source--Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 2... that the song "When We Die As Martyrs" is performed by the Arab children's choir Birds of Paradise?

Alt 2 is supported by all the sources.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I took the liberty, Mbz1, of making minor grammatical changes to your ALT1 and ALT2. "Becoming some of" in ALT1 strikes me as off, but I don't know how to change it. Also, maybe "song" in ALT3 should be changed to "hit song" (supported by the Haaretz source and by others, I think). Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Date, size and hook are verified. I like Alt1 the best. Good to go.--Broccoli (talk) 17:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Returned from queues. Reasons: (i) Christmas is not a good timing for this hook, (ii) these comments, (iii) I vaguely recall we decided that Broccoli is not to approve nominations by Mbz1, (iv) I also recollect that we should pay attention to noms contributed by Jalapenos do exist. Materialscientist (talk) 13:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I object to this censorship. Please restore the hook as scheduled. -- Kim van der Linde 16:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Quibble about ALT 1, may need re-wording: My reading of the hook is that the phrase "becoming some of the most popular programming for Arab children" is meant to refer to the choir but the present construction has it referring to the song. Perhaps I am incorrect. I leave it to others to consider. By the way, to repeat my view from WT:DYK, I am concerned about the balance of the article, which I leave for others to judge - and for the record, I think that Jalapenos' edits are a definite improvement. If others are satisfied with the policy compliant nature of the article, then of course it should be promoted into the queues. However, I remain of the view that after Christmas is more appropriate timing that during Christmas. EdChem (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with the quibble: in the sources, "some of the most popular programming" does refer to the choir and not to the song. The original hook or ALT2 should be used, or the last part of ALT1 ("becoming...") can be removed. Jalapenos do exist (talk) 07:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Colin Beyer

• ... that Georgina Beyer first came out to her stepfather Colin Beyer before telling her mother about her sex reassignment surgery?

• ALT1:... that former New Zealand MP Georgina Beyer first came out to her stepfather Colin Beyer before telling her mother about her sex reassignment surgery?
• Comment: Thought I'd try out a 2x expansion of an unreferenced BLP, and found quite an interesting character. I got Georgina's autobiography out of the library, but you can (just) verify the hook fact with Google snippet view.

2x expansion of uBLP by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 04:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• Season's greetings. I'm going on wikileave in 15 or so hours. If there are any issues, I can attend to them until then. Otherwise, I'll be back around 5 January 2011. Schwede66 22:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19

Koor, Indonesia

• ... that Koor in West Papua has been proposed to become part of a protected nature reserve protecting important leatherback sea turtle nesting grounds?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 07:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• 5x, date and references verified, tweaked the hook wording a little bit. You're at 1432 characters, however, please expand it just a little bit further :) An unusual case of a 5x under 1500 chars. — Toдor Boжinov — 14:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Nono. If you check the text, it is the prose which has been expanded more than 5 fold. Yep just checked expansion from 331 bytes to 4,116 bytes with is at least a x13 prose expansion. The infobox doesn't count. Oh you mean the length of the hook is actually undersized? Wow, that's unusual!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Er, no. TodorBozhinov means that the article is undersized. The number of bytes doesn't matter, it's the characters of prose. And in addition to the 5x expansion rule, articles also need to have at least 1500 characters. This article currently has 1432. - PM800 (talk) 14:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Yup, 70 characters short of the 1500 minimum characters of prose, sorry I couldn't explain it better. Add a few more words and it will be all good :) — Toдor Boжinov — 15:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• I've made some amendments to the text to fix a few issues and clarify a couple of points. However, I'm uncertain about the source being used about the nature reserve proposal. I thought at first the source was something to do with the Indonesian government, but it just seems to be some bloke's personal website about sightseeing in Indonesia - see http://www.indonesiatraveling.com/index.htm . It doesn't look like a great source to me, and the lack of updates on the site's news page suggests that he's no longer updating it. Prioryman (talk) 21:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• You're right. It looks like a personal website to me, too. - PM800 (talk) 15:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20

Zach Daeges

• ... that despite having reconstructive Tommy John surgery prior to the season, Zach Daeges was named to the 1st team all-Missouri Valley Conference squad as a designated hitter in 2005?

5x expanded by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sam Caldwell

• ... that in 1944, Sam Caldwell, as the mayor of Shreveport, ran against Jimmie Davis for governor of Louisiana even though both had served in the same municipal administration?

ALT:... Sam Caldwell, as the mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, stocked fish into Cross Lake, the municipal water supply?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Frederick Jelinek, Milena Jelinek

• ... that the help of Cyrus Eaton, Jerome Wiesner and Nikita Kruschev was needed so that Frederick and Milena Jelinek could marry?

• Comment: Frederick is my work (5x expansion, hopefully). Milena is a new article by Vejvančický. Circéus (talk) 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Circeus (talk), Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Reviewed articles were Cootes Store, Virginia and Richmond Theatre fire, from December 15 (both have now gone on MP). Circéus (talk) 20:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Helixanthera schizocalyx

• ... that the hairless half-meter parasitic shrub Helixanthera schizocalyx was discovered by lepidopterist Colin Congdon on the lookout for mistletoe near the summit of Mozambique's Mount Mabu?

Created by Medeis (talk), JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

 Note: Currently under nomination at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates#New species of Mistletoe The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

That nomination was made by an editor who mentioned the discovery from a press release but took no action toward creating an article. I created this article and am entitled to nominate it for DYK.μηδείς (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

In any case, it seems highly unlikely the ITN nom will succeed. Circéus (talk) 01:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

It is not clear to me from the source that Congdon was specifically looking for mistletoe on Mount Mabu; it rather appears that he was part of a general biodiversity exploration expedition and that he recognized the shrub as new because he knows much about loranth plants. I also edited the hook to make clear what kind of parasite it is. Ucucha 12:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Blauberge

• ... that the crest of the Blauberge (pictured), a mountain range in the Bavarian Alps, forms part of the border between Austria and Germany?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Could we get a cite on this statement? Also, the link to the Austrian mapping service doesn't seem to work.Mangoe (talk) 17:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

The first 3 references all confirm the hook, but I have added them immediately after the relevant line in the article. The refs are:

• Austrian Map Online by the Federal Office of Weights and Measures. Centre the map on the coords given in the article and zoom in to 1:50,000. It shows the crest of the Blauberg running from Wichtlplatte to Halserspitz along the Austro-German border.
• Bayern Viewer by the Bavarian State Govt should display a clear map of the Blauberge, again showing the border running along the crest of the mountains.
• Blauberge - Halserspitze at summitpost.org states "The northern limitation of Blauberge is Tegernsee valley, Weißach valley and Langenau valley ... Another borderline runs along the ridge crest: the German - Austrian border, marked with many white boundary stones."

Hope this clears it up. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

David L. Shirk Ranch

• ... that David Shirk, owner of the historic David L. Shirk Ranch (pictured) in southeastern Oregon, killed an employee of cattle baron Peter French in a dispute over a land claim?

• Comment: See last paragraph on p. 58 for hook source.

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• The hook source checks out. However, since he was acquitted in the death, I find that hook slightly problematic. How about this one:

• ALT1... that the owner of the historic David L. Shirk Ranch (pictured) in southeastern Oregon, together with his brother, acquired about 50,000 acres (200 km2) of land and controlled much of the water in the valley? --Orlady (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21

Genesee County Courthouse Historic District

• ... that the Batavia, New York, post office (pictured) is one of only three in the state to be a contributing property to its historic district despite being ineligible for an independent listing on the National Register of Historic Places?

• Comment: Yes, yet another upstate New York NRHP post office hook from me

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Romaine River

• ... that Hydro-Québec's project of four hydro-electric power stations on the Romaine River (pictured) is called "the biggest construction project in Canada"?

Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, sourcing and date for the article are fine. The statement that the project is "the biggest construction project in Canada" comes from a press release issued by a contractor, not from an independent source. There are other facts from the CBC article that covers the same sentence or stronger sources supporting the "biggest" claim should be provided. Alansohn (talk) 01:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

British Institution

• ... that John Constable called the Superintendant of the British Institution (pictured) "a much greater man than the King—the Duke of Bedford—Lord Westminster—Lord Egremont, or the President of the Royal Academy"?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• 208 char hook is a problem. Please trim it. Suggested the 2nd pic, which IMO will look better. 5x expansion verified. 14KB well-referenced article. Lead article candidate, though the hook needs to be finalized.--Redtigerxyz 16:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I make the hook 198 chars - the "pictured" & leading ... are not counted I thought. The quote can't really be cut which doesn't leave much wiggle room. I suppose one could say ...William Seguier instead of "the Superintendant", but it's not as clear I think, & only saves about 2 chars. Would it help if I did a cropped version of the 1st pic, which is certainly the stronger image? Johnbod (talk) 16:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, crop would help.. if you wanted to shorten it then the middle three could be replaced by an ellipsis Victuallers (talk) 14:19, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

That would rather destroy the hook! I see additional and uncertain rule E5 covers "(pictured)", so I'll stand on that. I've cropped the picture; to be clear we should go with the interior view imo. Johnbod (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Schau, lieber Gott, wie meine Feind, BWV 153

• ... that Bach began the fifth cantata of his first Christmas season in Leipzig, Schau, lieber Gott, wie meine Feind, BWV 153, first performed on 2 January 1724, with a chorale?

• Comment: for 2 January, day of the first performance, and in 2011 a Sunday as in 1724, - no room to add that thus "he made life a lot easier for his choir" (Gardiner), or is it?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Poole Lifeboat Station

• ... that a signal mortar used to be fired to summon the lifeboat crew to Poole Lifeboat Station but this was stopped in 1914 as people could mistake the sound for an explosion at the nearby gas works?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Strong Clarke

• ... that Lewis Strong Clarke established his innovative sugar plantation Lagonda in St. Mary Parish, Louisiana, and named it for a creek in Ohio?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook are good, and the hook is supported by citation #1, which is what I'd call a reliable source. However, multiple segments of the article are unreferenced, and (more seriously) the sections based on citation #1 are very close to that source, which isn't PD. Even if the unreferenced segments are cited, I must oppose this article's appearance at DYK unless the citation #1-based parts are rewritten to avoid an excessively close paraphrase. Nyttend (talk) 16:34, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Bluethenthal

ribbon with medal beneath it

• ... that the Wilmington, NC airport was named for Arthur Bluethenthal, a Princeton football All-American who was awarded the Croix de Guerre (pictured) twice, and died in combat for France in World War I?

Created by Epeefleche (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Palace of Cortes, Cuernavaca

• ... that the Palace of Cortes in Cuernavaca, Mexico is the oldest conserved civil building in the continetal Americas, over 450 years old?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty cool, but isn't this the same as Palacio de Cortés? And any particular reason for the "Cuernavaca" disambiguation in the title? Are there other palaces of Cortes? Also, I can't see where in the body the hook is mentioned or cited, I can only find it in the lead, where there is no footnote. — Toдor Boжinov — 15:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, its the same. That page did not come up when I did a search. I merged the two articles and this still qualifies under 5x expansion. Sorry about that!Thelmadatter (talk) 20:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries, that happens :) Can you please add a footnote for the hook reference (I can't find one). Also, why "Palace of Cortes, Cuernavaca" and not simply "Palace of Cortés" (with "é" and no city name)? — Toдor Boжinov — 12:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Its cited in the second paragraph of the "The colonial building" section. I put it with the name of the city because there are other buildings in central Mexico known and the palace or house of Cortes (see Coyoacán) As for the accent, it's always been a problem for me to put them on place names in English, although Hernan Cortes redirects to the page with the accents. If anyone wants to move it to a verion with the accent mark, no problem by me.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response. I was only able to look at the two online sources you have provided for the statement, and they only say it is the oldest civil building preserved in Mexico, and one of the sources even says something along the lines of "oldest Hispanic civil building". Does "Ecos de Viaje/ Fortalezas de Mexico" support the "oldest conserved civil building in the continetal Americas" claim? My main concern is that pre-Columbian sites like Machu Picchu include many civil (as in "non-religious") buildings. Perhaps it would be safer to go with a less sensational hook :) — Toдor Boжinov — 19:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Larry Detwiler

• ... that after film work as a miniature effects and visual effects supervisor, Larry Detwiler progressed to serve as television director on the program CSI: Miami?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed entry O. E. Price under 12 December. -- Cirt (talk) 20:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Spruce Production Division

• ... that the Spruce Production Division produced more than 54 million board feet of spruce in Oregon for aircraft in World War I?

Created by Esprqii (talk · contribs), Tedder (talk · contribs), Orygun (talk · contribs), Valfontis (talk · contribs), Jsayre64 (talk · contribs), Another Believer (talk · contribs). Nominated by Jsayre64 (talk) at 18:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Note this was moved to mainspace on 21 December 2010. The huge number of creators is because it was a special anniversary collaboration. tedder (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• ALT1: ... that during World War I the United States Army recruited over 28,000 soldiers for the Spruce Production Division and used them to harvest Sitka spruce in the Pacific Northwest? --Esprqii (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Mount Sunapee Resort

• ... that the Mount Sunapee Resort was built in response to the success of a tram at Cannon Mountain?

Created by C628 (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Reviewed Christopher Columbus Nash. C628 (talk) 22:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Length and history for the article are fine. I don't doubt that the fact cited in the hook is valid, but I question if New England Ski History is a reliable source that should be used as the sole source for a hook. The rest of the article relies heavily on the ski area's web site. Can stronger sources be added for the article and hook? Might this 1950 article from The New York Times be of use? Alansohn (talk) 02:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Well, it probably would be, except it costs $3.95, and I've not yet reached the point where I'm willing to pay to edit Misplaced Pages. So how about this? "In the early 1940's residents took notice of the financial success Cannon was enjoying & persuaded their political representatives to push for legislation which eventually became the Mt. Sunapee Tramway Bill in 1941." I didn't think it relied overmuch on the ski area's website; there's only one short paragraph that uses it. C628 (talk) 15:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

1st Provisional Marine Brigade

• ... that during its operational history, the 1st Provisional Marine Brigade has ranged in size from 1,200 men to almost 10,000?

5x expanded by Ed! (talk). Self nom at 05:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on December 22

Scutalus mariopenai

• ... that the orthalicid land snail Scutalus mariopenai (pictured) was described from Peru in 2010?

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 12:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Fails rule 1: most of the text derives from a free data source. Ucucha 12:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• This rule is currently under discussion at WT:DYK#Inclusion of free data sources, and this hook nomination should not be removed until that discussion is concluded. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 21:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Gavin Trippe

• ... that Gavin Trippe introduced European style motocross to the US, invented supermoto, helped start AMA Superbike and is promoting a new single cylinder motorcycle racing class?

Created by Brianhe (talk), Dbratland (talk). Self nom at 07:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Augustus Tilley

• ... that Arthur Augustus Tilley resigned as a tutor of King's College, Cambridge, after being blamed for the throwing into the college fountain of the "long-haired bounder" Robbie Ross?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 04:14, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Saegusa-Ito Oxidation

• ... that the Alzheimer's Disease medication Galanthamine is synthesized using the Saegusa-Ito oxidation?

Created by Mdlevin (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hexacyclinol

• ... that controversy over the structure of hexacyclinol (skeletal structure pictured) led to allegations of data fabrication?

• ALT1:... that Nobel Prize-winning chemist E.J. Corey called a purported total synthesis of hexacyclinol (skeletal structure pictured) "blatantly wrong science"?

Created by Shoy (talk). Self nom at 14:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Question: the article says that La Clair claimed structures (1) and (2) are isomers, but they aren't... unless I am mis-counting, structure (1) contains 6 oxygen atoms whereas structure (2) contains 7 oxygen atoms. Is there something wrong with one of the two stuctures, or was La Clair in error, or am I? EdChem (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

  Follow up - I am near-certain that structure (1) is wrong, it seems to be missing a —C(CH₃)₂–OCH₃ substituent alpha to the alkene on the cyclohexene ring. I suggest a careful check to ensure (1) and (2) are accurate and are structural isomers. EdChem (talk) 16:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

User:DMacks drew the Grafe/La Clair image, and even he said that the La Clair's publication wasn't self-consistent. The image matches what La Clair has in his abstract as far as I can see, see ; I don't have access to the Grafe paper. I think La Clair was in error here, is it WP:OR to note that? shoy (reactions) 17:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, you're correct. I'll let User:Benjah-bmm27 know that the image on his website is wrong. Hopefully someone from Wikiproject Chemistry is around to fix this real quick. shoy (reactions) 17:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The image has been fixed. shoy (reactions) 21:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to you both for correcting the image.  :) EdChem (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

George Edmundson

• ... that the English clergyman George Edmundson worked for the British Government on the Boundary Arbitration between British Guiana and Venezuela?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 03:25, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• The hook states that Edmundsom represented the British Government in the 2 disputes mentioned, which tends to imply that he was the arbitrator. While this may be the case, the reference is less explicit, stating only that he was employed in the disputes (employed by Government in British Guiana-Venezuelan Boundary Arbitration, 1896–99; also in British Guiana-Brazilian Boundary Arbitration, 1901–04). Is there another source that clarifies his role? To comply with the rules the citation should also be directly after the fact, not in the following sentence. Ivolocy (talk) 11:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Fair comment. I've added some more material and citations and corrected the hook to read "worked for". Moonraker2 (talk) 00:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23

Common Sense Media

• ... that Common Sense Media protested the ESRB's rating downgrade of a revised version of Manhunt 2 from "Adults Only" to "Mature", since that version was still banned in the UK?

Created by BluWik (talk), MuZemike (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 01:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixed wording. Daniel Case (talk) 17:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Katima Mulilo

• ... that the Namibian town of Katima Mulilo saw its first car in 1940, long after the first plane landed there, and five years after it became the regional capital of the Caprivi Strip?

5x expanded by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 23:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: DYKCheck reports no 5x expansion but my manual count (1607 chars on Nov 8) does. --Pgallert (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion is fine (DYKCheck is now reporting it), but I have a few other concerns. The article says that the SWAPO Party regional office "was the only building at Katima at this time when the area consisted exclusively of pristine forests" but goes on to say "Katima Mulilo was very sparsely populated at that time. It had a missionary school run by the Seventh–day Adventists, and the small settlements were connected only by sleigh tracks." Did the missionary school operate outdoors? Also, more directly relevant to the hook, the article states that "All military supplies, people, and goods had to be flown in. The first car of the town came in 1940 and belonged to the air strip operator." We are never told when the first plane landed there, but it seems unlikely that it can have been more than 5 years before, since the town was just founded in 1935. cmadler (talk) 21:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Michael Shaw (American football)

• ... that Michigan Wolverines football running back Michael Shaw was a teammate of Roy Roundtree at Trotwood-Madison High School, where he was coached by National Football League veteran Maurice Douglass?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 19:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Caves of Aruba

• ... that in the past Arubans used the Caves of Aruba (pictured) for performing sacrificial services and holding confabulations, and sometimes also to hide in the caves during enemy attacks?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Timothy F. O'Keefe

• ... that although Timothy F. O'Keefe and his son Richard both participated in the Vietnam War, only Timothy survived?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 00:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article is almost entirely uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Meredith Calhoun

• ... that by 1860, Meredith Calhoun, founder of what became Colfax, Louisiana, had built one of the largest sugar mills in the state on property valued in excess of $1 million?

ALT... that in 1896, a debate developed over whether the Louisiana planter Meredith Calhoun was the model of Simon Legree in Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Egyptienne (ship)

• ... that between 1799 and 1804, warships of the Royal Navy captured one French frigate and five different French privateers all with the name Egyptienne?

Created by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Schneeferner

• ... that the Schneeferner (pictured) in the Bavarian Alps is Germany's highest and largest glacier?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date are good, AGF for German lang. hook refs. The Interior(Talk) 20:55, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is cited to a German language web page which gives only limited information and doesn't say anything about either of the Schneeferner glaciers being the highest and largest in Germany. The equivalent article on the German language Misplaced Pages says (without citations) that the Northern Schneeferner is the largest glacier in Germany by area, and on height it says it is higher than three other named glaciers. May I suggest we need a citation for the hook, or else an alt.? Moonraker2 (talk) 03:25, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• I'll ask the author to clarify. There are five refs there for the hook fact, so hopefully one of them will do the trick. The Interior(Talk) 05:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay citations 2-5, which all refer to the Schneeferner on the Zugspitze as being Germany's biggest glacier, are as follows:

• "Der größte Gletscher Deutschlands ist der Schneeferner auf der Zugspitze: Er bedeckt eine Fläche von rund 50 Hektar." at www.planet-wissen.de
• "Deutschlands größter Gletscher hat einen "Sonnenhut" bekommen. Zum Schutz vor Sonne und Regen wurde der Schneeferner auf der 2962 Meter hohen Zugspitze verpackt." at www.sueddeutsche.de
• "An der Zugspitze befindet sich der größte deutsche Gletscher, der Schneeferner,... " at www.gletscher-info.de
• "Der größte Gletscher Deutschlands befindet sich auf der Zugspitze." at www.bergsteigen.at

The 1st citation is to the Bavarian Academy of Science's glacier archive at www.lrz.de which lists all the German glaciers and gives their data (under Topographie). The archive splits the Schneeferner into its northern and southern sections, but you can easily check that the northern section alone is bigger and higher than all the others. --Bermicourt (talk) 10:16, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, these links are good for citing the words "Germany's... largest glacier", I should be happy to sign off that part of the hook. If you still wish to include "Germany's highest... glacier", we need to see a citation which says so, please, rather than being asked to travel around the lrz.de site, comparing a number of pages with each other. Moonraker2 (talk) 02:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I have carried out a search on German google, but the nearest I got was this one that states Gleichzeitig ist die Zugspitze auch Deutschlands höchster Gletscher. which must be referring to the Schneeferner, but uses the name of the mountain. So the only reference is the Bavarian archive which, unfortunately, has all the information needed on 5 separate pages rather than a single comparison table. Suggest we drop the words "highest and" from the hook. --Bermicourt (talk) 10:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

That's a bit unlucky, but I think it works just as well without "highest", so I've made that amendment to the hook, which is now ready for DYK. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Horace M. Wade

• ... that Horace M. Wade is the former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. - PM800 (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• It's sort of implied that I took it from a public domain source. I can fix this to indicate which article but it would be redundant to add inline citations. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• According to WP:Did you know#Selection criteria, "Try to pick articles that are original to Misplaced Pages (not inclusions of free data sources)". "Try to" may not sound like a firm rule, but I would reject this hook because the article is copied from http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7486. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Citations are required; but yes, I would agree with Mandarax that this should be rejected anyways. - PM800 (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, I can add citations later. I have gotten two articles on DYK though that were copied off of the source though so that is why I am mass creating articles then placing them here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Jack Christian

• ... that in 1959 Baton Rouge Mayor Jack Christian moved Halloween to Oct. 30 to accommodate the LSU Tigers football game in which Billy Cannon scored an 89-yard touchdown against Ole Miss?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that in 1959 Baton Rouge Mayor Jack Christian moved Halloween to October 30 to accommodate the LSU Tigers football game against the Ole Miss Rebels?
• (too much detail in original hook, mayor could not have known in advance about Cannon's run so it was not a factor in the decision to move Halloween) - Dravecky (talk) 20:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Kim Jones (athlete)

• ... that after dropping out of the 1992 New York City Marathon due to breathing problems, Kim Jones suffered from bronchitis and was bedridden for a month?

Created by Makeemlighter (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date verified, and AGF on the offline sources, though I was able to confirm the bronchitis part with a New York Times link that I added to the article. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association Awards 2010

• ... that Mexico's Biutiful was named Best Foreign Language Film of 2010 at the 17th Dallas-Fort Worth Film Critics Association Awards?

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 11:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Ascaridole

• ... that ascaridole (structure pictured) is an explosive and a major constituent of the oil of Mexican Tea?

• Comment: ALT1 ... that ascaridole (structure pictured) is an explosive chemical? other suggestions are welcome - it is a fun nomination :-) Materialscientist (talk) 11:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• 5x verified. Image needs a reference (a better source) IMO. "the primary constituent of the oil of Mexican Tea" is not cited. "Ascaridole is also present in epazote (or Mexican Tea, Dysphania ambrosioides formerly Chenopodium ambrosioides) where it constitutes between 1 and 70% of the plant's essential oil" is cited, but when it is 1% in some varieties, it may be a primary constituent. --Redtigerxyz 16:36, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Cited image, fixed article. 1% was wrong in two ways - it was 2% and it was content in the plant; whereas one source quotes 16 and some 40% in oil, others say 60-70%, thus "a major", not "the major", but I thought ALT1 is better. The fact is in the body, its copy in the lead is uncited per MOS. Materialscientist (talk) 00:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Verified ALT. When it is just 2%, saying it is a "a principal constituent"/"a major" may be an overstatement and needs an explicit reference. The image got a reference. But which page no gives explicitly the structure? Where are the C's, the H's and O's in the structure? --Redtigerxyz 17:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

References were always there. (i) 2% refers to a single specimen (from questionable US location - most other sources study Central American plants), most other sources (including 2 other measurements from the same source) give about 10x higher value. It is fine with me to drop the main hook if there is no belief in the explanation. (ii) Skeletal formulas do not to mark carbon and hydrogen atoms. There are simple rules to figure that out, which I would be glad to explain.

Added specific page number to the figure file, explanation why the ascaridole content varies in the plant, and extra refs that it is a major component. Materialscientist (talk) 23:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• ... that ascaridole () is an explosive and a major constituent of the oil of Mexican Tea?

• ... that ascaridole () is an explosive chemical?

John Rice Irwin

• ... that John Rice Irwin founded the infamous Museum of Appalachia?

5x expanded by CrowzRSA (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• Infamous? Such a pronouncement is rather POV, and anyway I don't see anything (whether in the Irwin article or in the museum article) that anyone would see as a justifiable reason to call the museum "infamous". Nyttend (talk) 22:05, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• I removed the infamous part. CrowzRSA 22:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:

• ... that John Rice Irwin, founder of the Museum of Appalachia, recently turned 80 years old?

• Online sources are good, but the large majority of the article is dependent on a print source; AGF on that, since it appears to be a reliable newspaper article. No problems with date or length or either hook. I'd advise that we go with the original-minus-infamous hook, since it's much more interesting than the alternate. Nyttend (talk) 03:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• I pulled this out of the queue and brought it back here. Having met this man on several occasions, been to his museum, and read a lot of print material about him, I KNOW we can come up with a more interesting hook than the date of the founding of the museum. (I also restored the "infamous" with a strikeout, so that the issues with the original hook would be apparent.) --Orlady (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24

Consentrasi Gerakan Mahasiswa Indonesia

• ... that the communist student organization CGMI ran campaigns against hazing at Indonesian universities?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Batavia Club

• ... that the Batavia Club building (pictured) in Batavia, New York, is one of only two extant works in the state by Hezekiah Eldredge?

• ALT1:that the Batavia Club building (pictured) in Batavia, New York, was originally a bank and is now an arts center?
• ALT2:that during recent renovations to the former Batavia Club building (pictured) in Batavia, New York, an old safe was found that so far no one has been able to open?

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

The Merry Zingara

• ... that though his early burlesques, including The Merry Zingara, featured actresses playing male roles, W. S. Gilbert renounced this practice as soon as he was in a professional position to do so?

Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 01:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article (referenced well) made me smile a lot! But I can see only the first page of the source for the hook which does not mention "professional position", also think the hook is on the overly long side. Suggesting - not elegant yet, improvement welcome -

ALT1:... that though his early burlesques, including The Merry Zingara, featured actresses performing male roles, W. S. Gilbert later renounced this practice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I added the word "later" to the Alt1, and it looks ok to me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT1, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Steigerwald Nature Park

• ... that since March 2007 there have been controversial discussions about including of parts of the northern Steigerwald Nature Park in UNESCO's World Heritage Programme by turning them into a national park?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Frank Baldino, Jr.

• ... that founder and CEO Frank Baldino, Jr. led Cephalon to $2.2 billion in annual sales, its best-known product being Provigil, a narcolepsy medication that the company wants to market to treat jet lag?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Henry S. Baird

• ... that Henry S. Baird, the first lawyer in territorial Wisconsin, bought a small Greek Revival former land office building to serve as his law office (pictured) as he felt its style befit his position?

Above, double DYK with Baird Law Office, with nice pic by Royalbroil, is maybe better than alt:

• ... that Henry S. Baird, the first lawyer in Wisconsin and later its first attorney general brought his 14 year old bride to the Wisconsin territory by ship?

Created by Doncram and RFD. --(talk). Self nom at 17:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• I did a review on the article on Charles Edward Jenkins III; I hope I am doing this right-Thank you-RFD (talk) 22:51, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
• I added a sentence with citation about Henry Baird taking his wife to Wisconsin Territory by ship.This will take care of the hook-Thank you-RFD (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

LaVerne Butler

• ... that the Kentuckian LaVerne Butler was a leader in the "Conservative Resurgence" within the Southern Baptist denomination in the 1970s and 1980s?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Henties Bay

• ... that a decomposing rhino carcass and lack of water led to the establishment of Henties Bay?

5x expanded by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 15:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Ralph Savidge

• ... that Ralph "Human Ripcord" Savidge invented a baseball pitch called the "finger nail curve"?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Waveney class lifeboat

• ... that the Waveney was the first class of lifeboats built for the Royal National Lifeboat Institution capable of speeds in excess of 10 knots (19 km/h)?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Nominated by Geof Sheppard (talk) at 08:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

William V. McBride

• ... that William V. McBride was the military assistant of Secretary of the Air Force Eugene M. Zuckert and Harold Brown?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 07:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Judson Welliver

• ... that Judson Welliver (pictured) is widely regarded as having been the first presidential speechwriter?

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 06:12, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article needs to have at least 1500 characters of prose, and it currently has 1135. Date is verified. The Fox News article simply states that Welliver was the "first official speechwriter", nothing about "widely regarded", so I guess the hook's wording should be changed a little. - PM800 (talk) 06:31, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, I expanded the article; hopefully it meets the requirements now. I included the wording "widely regarded" since some consider Alexander Hamilton to have been the first. I included a footnote expanding on this claim in the article. Thanks for your evaluation. — AlekJDS 07:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. - PM800 (talk) 08:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

List of accolades received by The Sixth Sense

• ... that the 1999 film The Sixth Sense received six Academy Award nominations, and grossed over sixteen times its budget?

Created by Jujutacular (talk). Self nom at 06:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Louis T. Seith

• ... that Louis T. Seith flew fifty two combat missions during World War II?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 11:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Louis L. Wilson Jr.

• ... that Louis L. Wilson Jr. commanded Operation Babylift, the airlift evacuation of orphaned children, at the end of the Vietnam War?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article is almost entirely uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Francis Wythens

• ... that Sir Francis Wythens was illegally returned to Parliament after a book containing 700 votes for the opposition "was artificially mislaid and lost by the officers trusted"?

Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Adrienne L. Kaeppler

• ... that Dr. Adrienne L. Kaeppler, curator of Oceanic Ethnology at the Smithsonian Institution, created a special exhibition at the Tongan National Museum, for the 80th birthday of King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV?

Created by Elonka (talk). Self nom at 15:12, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:

• ... that Adrienne L. Kaeppler is curator of Oceanic Ethnology at the Smithsonian Institution, and is an expert on the voyages of the 18th century explorer James Cook?

Articles created/expanded on December 25

Perry Mason syndrome

• ... that some defendants chose to appear pro se because of the Perry Mason syndrome?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• May not be the most exciting hook in the world, so feel free to tweak it or suggest new ones as you see fit. I reviewed the Thomas Spreiter / Inkamana Abbey nomination. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 22:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Vale of Avoca

• ... that The Vale of Avoca bridge was opened in 1924, replacing an iron bridge built in 1888 (both pictured)?

Created by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

This is long enough and expanded enough, but the hook is not cited, except by a footnote which asserts only part of the hook, and there are no actual citations in the article at all. For DYK it needs to be fully cited – viz., at least one citation per paragraph. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

This would mean using the same reference for each paragraph, which is the reference at the bottom, in the bibliography section. This article is fully cited to a reliable secondary source published by the Deer Park Library; it just lacks inline citations. If I were to use them, it would be the same ref three times. I was instead waiting until I retreived more reliable sources since there is only clutter to be gained when using a single source. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 03:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

No, what is given there is single title, without other information, such as the name of the author, date of publication, or page number. That isn't a citation, it's a title, and hooks need to be verifiable. Please see Misplaced Pages:Did you know. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

The information given is all that is necessary. There is no given author or publisher, so the Library defaults as the publisher of that information (it is given). The location of the item is given (local history reference), and the fonds in which it is contained (bridges). It is a single sheet, printed front and back; there are no page numbers, no author, no date, and nothing else besides a title and two pages of text. I'd be happy to scan the item in full and publish that in my own webspace. As it is, however, this is referenced to a secondary source created by a government archive. We do not have a citation template to appropriately display such a reference to the best of my knowledge. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 04:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I also noted your edit summary "Unfortunately the paper lacks a proper publisher; most likely a Deer Park Historical Society, if it exists". See Secondary source. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I also notice you continue to ignore everything I am writing and drawing your own baseless conclusions. This is a paper made available in the local history archives of a very well-established and reputable public library system. I am well aware of wikipedia policies on verifiability and reliable sourcing to secondary sources. The point is, what should I do about a situation which A) does not warrant using an inline citation, as the whole article is sourced to one place, and B) is provided by a type of source that has generally been overlooked on wikipedia (secondary sources created by archivists and historians that are stored in a government archives or library reference section), and thus is difficult to present using our citation templates? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Please don't shoot the messenger. A single sheet of paper which lacks author, date, publisher, and any sign of having been peer reviewed, won't stand up as the only source for a new article offered to DYK for the Main Page. I think it would be better for others to carry on this discussion. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion, being in the local archives = Peer reviewed and verified as fact. This is far more reliable than a published book where the publisher and editor have no way of verifying the historical accuracy of the authors text. This a government run insistution. I will try to uncover at least one author and perhaps a second secondary source, but the publisher is the public library branch. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 18:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I added a few new sources, including one from Lost Rivers Toronto (a website of the Toronto Field Naturalists) and from an article out of the Deer Park Newsletter. These two sources back up all of the facts in the hook. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  _¢ 19:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Moses Bloom

• ... that Moses Bloom, mayor of Iowa City, Iowa from 1873 to 1875, was the first Jewish mayor of a major American city?

Created by Mhym (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article is well written and researched. I added some citations from the Iowa General Assembly website of a database of members of the Iowa General Assembly to the article about Moses Bloom's legislative involvement. Thank you-RFD (talk) 18:13, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

William G. Moore Jr.

• ... that William G. Moore Jr. flew 240 combat missions during World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 11:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

John W. Roberts

• ... that John W. Roberts was a recipient of the United States Air Force's Order of the Sword?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 11:16, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Cliff Ammons

• ... that the freshman Louisiana State Rep. Cliff Ammons in the early 1960s pushed to fruition legislation to create Toledo Bend Reservoir?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Eissee

• ... that the Lower Eissee, a lake which lies in a shallow cirque in the Dachstein Mountains, was left behind when the Hallstätter Glacier retreated?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Seems good to me. The image in the article could be added to the DYK. --Crusio (talk) 20:59, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• I linked cirque in the hook. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Fadjar Harapan

• ... that the Indonesian pioneer movement Fadjar Harapan was subjected to an enforced merger with Sukarno's Scouting Association in 1961?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Chalcolithic Temple of Ein Gedi

• ... that archaeologist David Ussishkin has described the Chalcolithic Temple of Ein Gedi (pictured) as "a monumental edifice in terms of contemporary architecture"?

Created/expanded by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 10:19, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Length, image, etc. ok. Ref AGF. It's always nice to see an article on Near Eastern archaeology! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 18:06, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

F. Michael Rogers

• ... that F. Michael Rogers was the commandant of the United States Air Force's Air University?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 07:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 11:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

William J. Evans

• ... that William J. Evans has flown planes ranging from the P-51 Mustang to the B-1A Lancer?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 01:54, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 11:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 26

Myotis alcathoe

• ... that although the bat Myotis alcathoe was only described in 2001, it is now known to range across most of Europe?

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 11:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Note that I reviewed Anubias heterophylla. Ucucha 13:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Albert Estopinal

• ... that Kenilworth, the sugar plantation of U.S. Rep. Albert Estopinal in St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana, was originally a Spanish fort?

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Hannibal (swan)

• ... that Hannibal killed 15 swans?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps this should be saved for April Fool's Day? I don't mind either way. I reviewed the nomination for Hushang Ansary. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Billy M. Minter

• ... that Billy M. Minter commanded the 354th Tactical Fighter Squadron?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Only final paragraph is cited. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Frank Bessac

• ... that American Frank Bessac was fleeing from China when his group was attacked by Tibetan border guards who killed three of his party, including the first CIA agent to be killed in the line of duty?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Ural pictograms

• ... that according to Russian researcher Vladimir Avinsky, some of the Ural pictograms may represent the structural formulas (pictured)?

5x expanded by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article has not been expanded 5 times in the last 5 days and it needs some c/e. Apart from that, I doubt whether the image is actually in the free domain as it is apparently copied/based on some other image that is probably not free, maybe someone else could check that? And I think that the hook should change; this is obviously a fringe theory (WP:FRNG). -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
  • The original image is free because it represents 2-dimensional art, whose artists deceased long ago, and common non-copyrightable structural formulas. Twilightchill t 18:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Anubias heterophylla

• ... that the aquarium plant Anubias heterophylla has reportedly been used as a stomachic for children?

Created by Crusio (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article uses the qualifier "reportedly"; it should also be in the hook. The source does indeed say this . However, the source is 30 years old—what makes you think it is still used as a stomachic? Ucucha 12:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• I have changed the hook as suggested. As for whether it is still used or not, I have no way of telling. Perhaps we should change "is" to "has been" ("reportedly has been") in the hook? Anubias being popular aquariumplants, I do think this is an interesting tidbit of information. --Crusio (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that seems fine. Ucucha 13:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Richard L. Lawson

• ... that Richard L. Lawson entered the military with the Iowa Army National Guard but ended up becomming a four star General in the United States Air Force?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Cedar Creek, Utah

• ... that farmers in Cedar Creek, Utah often went to the schoolmarm for farming advice?

Created by The Utahraptor (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• This article gets to 1500 characters only because it repeats everything in the relatively long introduction. The hook is not cited, and anyways it is very subjective. - PM800 (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Isn't the lead supposed to introduce the article? The Utahraptor/_Contribs 18:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• I will work on expanding and copy editing this article later today. The Utahraptor/_Contribs 18:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
• The lead is indeed supposed to introduce the article, but in this case it was nearly one-third of the whole thing, which is a little much. - PM800 (talk) 19:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
• I've trimmed the lead a bit. Let me know if anything else should be done to the lead. I'll work on expanding the article once I make a trip to the library. The Utahraptor/_Contribs 19:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

E. W. Gravolet

• ... that in the late 1950s and 1960s, E. W. Gravolet, a member of both houses of the Louisiana State Legislature, joined his political ally Leander Perez in a vain attempt to thwart school desegregation?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Anubias afzelii

• ... that Anubias afzelii, described in 1857, was the first species of the genus of popular aquarium plants, Anubias, known to science?

Created by Crusio (talk). Self nom at 17:01, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• The article doesn't explicitly say this. It does say the species was described simultaneously with the genus Anubias, but it is possible that other species now placed in Anubias were described in other genera before. Ucucha 13:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• You're absolutely right, sometimes when you're close to a subject you don't see these things :-) However, A. afzelii was the first species described, none of the Anubias species were first described in another genus. I'll add that to the article. --Crusio (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you! Ucucha 13:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Lapiang Malaya

• ... that the around 400 members of the Philippine political party Lapiang Malaya, armed with amulets and bolo knives, plotted to overthrow President Ferdinand Marcos (pictured) in 1968 but were killed by the M-16 wielding police?

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Ansbach Grizzlies

• ... that the Ansbach Grizzlies, one of the oldest American football teams in Germany, played in every one of the first eight editions of the German Bowl?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 10:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Oil Rocks

• ... that the one of the scenes in James Bond film The World Is Not Enough was filmed in settlement of the Oil Rocks (pictured) in Azerbaijan?

No. 201 Flight RAAF

• ... that No. 201 Flight's role was considered so secret by the Royal Australian Air Force that few people outside the unit knew that it even existed?

5x expanded by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article length and age check out, as do hook length and offline ref -- well done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks Ian Nick-D (talk) 08:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Allen C. Gremillion

• ... that the Louisiana State Rep. Allen C. Gremillion pushed for passage of a bill creating the community college known as Louisiana State University at Eunice?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

John W. Pauly

• ... that former General John W. Pauly was once an assistant executive officer to General Curtis E. LeMay, then the Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Entire article is uncited. 97198 (talk) 07:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Mezcala Bridge

• ... that the Mezcala Bridge (pictured) in Mexico suffered a fire in one of its cable systems in March 2007 due to an accident on the main deck caused by a coconut-carrying truck colliding with two school buses?

5x expanded by Jujutacular (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 02:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Coming Home (Diddy-Dirty Money song)

• ... that in the lyrics of the 2010 song "Coming Home", Diddy makes references to the classic 1979 song "Ain't No Stopping Us Now" by McFadden & Whitehead, as well as events in his own life?

5x expanded by Lil-unique1 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good work on the article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 22:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27

J.E. Keeny

• ...that the Louisiana educator J.E. Keeny was a consistent promoter of the New York-based Chatauqua movement?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

ALT... that in 1904 the Louisiana educator J.E. Keeny was named to a state office to promote improved teacher qualifications through in-service training?

Meinhard Moser

• ... that the noted Austrian mycologist Meinhard Moser interrupted his degree after only three terms of study, resuming it several years later upon his release from a Prisoner-of-war camp?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Mike Mitchell (baseball)

• ... that Mike Mitchell had the best outfield arm in baseball and set a National League assists record as a rookie?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

France–Monaco relations

• ... that a Frenchman is chosen to oversee certain state affairs of Monaco?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Nationalist Citizens' Party

• ... that the Nationalist Citizens' Party's platform during the 1957 Philippine elections was described as "businessman's nationalism"?

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Agragami Adivasi Samiti

• ... that Indian Maoist guerrillas killed seven prominent local members of Agragami Adivasi Samiti in Purulia District in December 2010?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow, 2 bengal articles on the same day ;)

Anyhoo, think the article needs an expansion for it to be DYK eligible. im rather new here, but someone told me over 1000 words.(Lihaas (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)).

John S. Kyser

• ... that the Louisiana educator John S. Kyser was instrumental in the development of closed-circuit television instruction?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Stripsenjochhaus

• ... that the Stripsenjochhaus (pictured) is an Alpine club hut in the Northern Alps that, for decades, has been a base for some of the most famous rock climbing mountains in the Alps?

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Azerbaijani wine

• ... that Azerbaijani wine has been produced since the second millennium BC?

Created by Tuscumbia (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

West Bengal legislative assembly election, 2011

• ... that the West Bengal election follows violent agitation in Nandigram and Singur?

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Obiviously not ready yet, will be after the election in a few months, so can we move it to the alternative later date? It will also then go for a further expansion over time.Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Harry Kingman

• ... that Harry Kingman is the only Major League Baseball player to have been born in China?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 17:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Bird Kingdom

• ... that the aviary Bird Kingdom was once a museum that at one time held the mummy of Ramesses I?

5x expanded by The Arbiter (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Milky Way Farm

• ... that during the Great Depression, the construction of a country estate named for a candy bar was the largest source of jobs in Giles County, Tennessee?

Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Basil Cave

• ... that Basil Cave issued an ultimatum that led to the shortest war in history?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Meykhana

• ... that Meykhana music genre, which was banned during USSR period, laid the foundation of the modern Azerbaijani hip hop?

Created by --NovaSkola (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Not a new creation or a 5 times expansion...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:56, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Nick Allen

• ... that baseball manager Roarin' Nick Allen (pictured) "baited" and argued with umpires on the field because he wanted to increase attendence?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• No complaints; hook and all other information in article are verified, and date and length are good. Nyttend (talk) 15:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Clutts House

• ... that the Clutts House in Wellston, Ohio, was the home of a man who owned at least four different blast furnaces in the area?

• Comment: I counted 2,187 characters. Source for hook is the second paragraph: citation 2 says that he bought two furnaces, and citation 3 says that he bought two more.
• Comment: I would welcome a more interesting hook. Nyttend (talk) 05:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

George Huscher

George Huscher

• Did you know that on this date in 1912, that Utah swore into office, its first and to date only Socialist, George Huscher, mayor of Murray, Utah?

5x expanded by Stundra (talk), Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Article length is only ~1,100 characters. I also assume "this date" refers to January 1, but that date isn't even in the main text of the article and is still missing a citation in the infobox. 97198 (talk) 07:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Umm al-Qura Mosque

• ... ... that the Umm al-Qura Mosque (pictured) in Baghdad, Iraq, has minarets in the shape of Scud missiles and Kalashnikov rifle barrels?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Prioryman (talk • contribs) 0:20, 2010 December 27

• File:Umm al-Maarik Mosque.jpg last appeared on DYK on Dec.24th. Let's not re-use the same pic so soon. --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting article, a few things need attention though - the section referenced to source 5 says that there are 4 minarets of 37m tall, but the source says there is only one (or at least as I understand it) and doesn't mention it being rifle shaped, similarly I can't find anything about the signature being made of gold in that source either. If, as I suspect, you got these details from other sources, can you add appropriate inline citations to show where it came from? SmartSE (talk) 21:58, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sulphurdale, Utah

• ... that in the mining town of Sulphurdale, only the highest quality sulfur ore was freighted to the Union Pacific loading docks at Black Rock?

Created by The Utahraptor (talk). Self nom at 00:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• "Only the high grade ore was considered useful; the rest of the ore went unused." is seemingly unsourced. SmartSE (talk) 21:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Added a source. The Utahraptor/_Contribs 21:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

10 Admiral Grove

• ... that Ringo Starr moved from 9 Madryn Street, currently threatened to be demolished, to 10 Admiral Grove, which is only one street away, when he was 3 years old?

• ALT1:... that Ringo Starr's childhood home, 10 Admiral Grove was down the street from the pub where his mother worked, and featured on his album Sentimental Journey?

5x expanded by 219.101.177.6 (talk), Stundra (talk). Nominated by Stundra (talk) at 03:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

RAAF Command

• ... that a divided wartime control system forced the leader of RAAF Command, Air Vice Marshal Bill Bostock, to serve two masters, one for operational tasking and another for supplies and equipment?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 06:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Lefty Herring

• ... that baseball pitcher Lefty Herring later became a position player and made it back to the major leagues five years after his first game?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 14:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Cathedral of the Sacred Heart (Richmond, Virginia)

• ... that Richmond, Virginia's Cathedral of the Sacred Heart (pictured) was declared to be the only known cathedral built by the financial contributions of a single family?

5x expanded by David Fuchs (talk). Self nom at 17:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion and hook verified. More precise hook suggested, topic bolded:

ALT1:... that according to a diocesan official of Richmond, Virginia, the Cathedral of the Sacred Heart (pictured) was the only cathedral financed by a single family? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds fine. Thanks, Gerda. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 21:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

That looks good to me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

What Do You Want

• ... that Terry Bradshaw's daughter, Rachel, co-wrote Jerrod Niemann's "What Do You Want" and appeared in its music video?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

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Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

January 1, 2011

Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, BWV 190

• ... that the opening chorus of Bach's cantata for New Year's Day, Singet dem Herrn ein neues Lied, BWV 190, combines verses of two psalms (pictured) and Luther's Te Deum?

• Comment: for 1 January, for which it was written, New Years's Day and also Circumcision and Naming of Jesus

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Added a possible picture, illustration of psalm 150, one of the two psalms mentioned, and also illustrating Sing a new song unto the Lord, translation of the cantata title from the psalm 149, the other one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Circumcision of Jesus

• ... that the Gospel of Luke states that the Circumcision of Jesus (pictured) took place eight days after his birth?

• Comment: I have a special date request for this one. The Feast of the Circumcision of Christ is January 1, and this would be especially appropriate for that day. In lieu of that, December 25 would be appropriate. Raul654 (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Raul654 (talk) and User:Johnbod. Self nom at 22:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

• Image fine, refs look good, removed stub assessment, but not sure you are allowed an external in line ref in the text? Although I agree it looks neat here. Tick when resolved Victuallers (talk) 23:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

• If you're talking about the {{Bibleverse-nb}} template, that's the correct way to cite a Bible verse on Misplaced Pages. – iridescent 23:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I was, so Victuallers (talk) 09:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've added myself to the nom, as I wrote most of it. Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I corrected the artist in the caption here and in the article, the painting illustrated is by Friedrich Herlin, not Fritz Herlen. Moonraker2 (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 23:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

(For January 1, 2011), Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

• ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

• ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

• - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
  Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. Silverseren 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Arsenikk. The Utahraptor/_{Contributions} 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!_c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - The Bushranger _{Return fire} 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm worried that this is too obviously a matter of giving the FBI the proverbial finger than promoting something encyclopedic. I'm all for criticizing the FBI, but we shouldn't invoke exceptions to basic guidelines just to promote our own POV. It seems far more prudent to pull up your sleeves and make this a quickie FA or get it on "On this day". Peter 10:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. ALT2 is a better hook than ALT1, but it would be better still on OTD than DYK (it would get more readers that way, as well). Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - ALT1 is just a boost or peacock term on FBI. ALT2 is better, but I did not feel it to be so special to be included in DYK. -- Rajith Mohan 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per Arsenikk. Send to OTD instead. Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
• Support For the reasons stated above.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support For the reasons that mentioned above.--NovaSkola (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support but please add a picture. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose While I feel that the nominator is being hard done by, OTD would seem to be a better home for this then DYK, considering all the issues. Schwede66 03:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support The hook was valid and interesting when first proposed, and delaying it was a political compromise. If the DYK is now denied due to the delay, this will interfere with the ability to negotiate any such compromise in the future. Wnt (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support with seal pictured WP:NOTCENSORED no exceptions. P. S. Burton (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

See also

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