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Please stay off my talk page until you have calmed down enough to stop comparing me to a conspiracy theorist. Should you be interested in my specific concerns, please review my remarks, particularly this: "I don't agree that this edit should have been reverted."

I will continue to work to study all the issues in this case, and refuse to be bullied into either leaving it alone or posting prematurely. However, I absolutely have listed specific concerns, and you pretending repeatedly (along with allegations of me behaving like a conspiracy theorist) are not acceptable. WP:NPA.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Jimbo, I have been calm this whole time. I have no stake in this whatsoever, aside from improving the encyclopedia. In fact, I'm bewildered by the anger you've shown in your own replies.

The edit you point out is concerning. But, aside from asking the blocking admin, I don't see how anyone else can answer for it. The edit itself was reverted because all edits by sockpuppets are summarily reversed. If it's a good source, it can be added back by someone else (not simply reverted).

I know you must be stressed by the response you recieved. I was trying to point out why you got that response, from an outside editor's view. And I've not seen the "specific concerns" laid out clearly. When you make a statement like:

Is it true that people have been banned for completely neutral edits? Yes. It is true that reliable sources have been systematically excluded? Yes. None of that is acceptable. I am not arguing for reinstating any of the badly behaved accounts from before - they are irrelevant to this discussion. My point is that badly behaved accounts are no excuse for bias.

People are going to take it as an accusation of wrongdoing. Especially from Jimbo Wales, a "voice from on high" as many people see it. You may not like that, but it's there and not liking it isn't going to change it. — The Hand That Feeds You: 21:05, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

And, now I see you decided to nuke the entire conversation, out of what I can only assume is a fit of pique. I know you're human but... that's rather disappointing. — The Hand That Feeds You: 21:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing disappointing about responding appropriately to bullying. You are way out of line here.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I am flabbergasted. You considered my comments bullying? How in the world did you get that out of it? — The Hand That Feeds You: 01:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

You compared me to a conspiracy theorist putting forward wild theories about aliens on 9/11. You accused me - falsely - of refusing to point out where I think problems in the article lie. You accused me of all these things in a hostile tone that I didn't deserve. So yes, I think that's bullying, but I also think there's an easy solution to it in the wiki context: I deleted your insults. I don't apologize for that.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 08:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Friendly poke

Listen, I didn´t intended to take the conversation between us on Jimmy´s page into that direction. I don´t recall myself crossing with you (but I forget many stuff ocasionaly), and I don´t understand why you take this so personally. I´m not talking about legal abuse, but rather a different one. Wan´t tell me that you haven´t noteced that groopies exist, and that groopies support eachother on RfA´s so they get bigger? Don´t tell me you haven´t noteced how in specific disputes several times happends that the same admins pick sides and favour some editors over others? Don´t tell me nothing of this exists? I had already reported several times related situations at ANI, and I have participated and my name came up ocasionally on Jimmy´s page. So, if you know nothing about it, well, better stay out. If you´re interested knowing, well, attacking me wan´t be the best way. If you know and attack me because of it, well, that is another case then. Now, you really think that inside that section on Jimmy´s page it would be proper to have a private conversation with diffs and long discussions? I don´t think so. Anyway, best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 21:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Not angry, but I don't think it's a good idea to make such general accusations casually. It was not an attack, rather a blunt statement. It's just bad form, especially on a page like Jimbo's, especially if you have no intention of backing up such statements in public. I'm fine with letting the matter drop, at this point. As an aside, yes, some admins protect certain users where other people would've been banned a long time ago. But that's stating the obvious. Dragging it onto Jimbo's page just... wasn't very cool, y'dig? — The Hand That Feeds You: 21:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I know and I agree with you. That is why I wrote in the edit summary "just an evil comment", or something like that. Hey, nobody is perfect all the time. I mean, I could have removed my comment, but again... And who knows me, he knows what I was talking about. I reported several cases (none actually closed, but that means what it means) and I let many go. My further comments on the same section help a bit unaware people to understand what I am talking about, so I see nothing wrong in an "short evil comment". Perhaps it is not helpfull, perhaps it may become, anyway, it just remembers an existing problem among admins and since we are talking about some possible changes or improvements, well, if this problem is also considered and remembered, it will be good. It just comes from a "surviver" and I couldn´t resist not doing it in name of those who didn´t, or ended up just giving up. For time being things have been quiet about it, but if needed I have plenty of "strange coincidences" and reported and unreported wrongdoings to tell done by same people, so... And, nothing has been solved, so I am also not very cool with it. But, we are not here to be always cool, right? Don´t warry, some comments are done purpously with intention. Thanks for your input anyway! FkpCascais (talk) 22:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)