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There are quite a few problems with your "collection" on me, but could we please return one more time to this exchange:

Remember, I made an offer to you: "In other words we promise to each other to behave in such a way like we have an interaction ban. Agree?", and your response to my offer was an angry "No".

I believe that, if two users, who usually are not editing in the same area (as we are not) do not get along with each other (as we do not), would agree to disagree and walk their different ways, it is the right thing to do for the involved users and for the community.

I believe that, if one user (me in this situation) is asking for this agreement, and the other user (you in this situation) angrily refuses, there should be no doubt who is the victim and who is the hound there.

If somebody, no matter who, offered me something like this, I would have agreed immediately with no questions asked.

My offer still stands. Will you consider it now please?--Mbz1 (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Mbz1, I have repeatedly asked you not to harass me on my talk page. I am hoping that by replying to you on your talk page, I will motivate you to leave my talk page alone.

You visited most recently to suggest that we make a non-interaction vow. Here is my response:

Your "offer" sounds symmetric but it is not. I am a quiet little wikignome, with a real life that takes a lot of my time, watching over a few articles and occasionally creating an article like Tory Row or André Grabar. There is nothing in any of my interests to interest you in the least, although you seem to have my talk page on your watchlist, and you seem to have forgotten that I asked you not to post there.

You are one of the most prolific and aggressive editors in Misplaced Pages and also on Commons, with huge block logs in both places. On a very few rare occasions -- rare compared even to my own work here and very rare compared to yours--I have publicly matched your version of facts with what the actual facts show.

I first encountered your scorched-earth style of debate over List of Jewish Nobel laureates. Your frequent use of WP:PA instead of discussion of content was something I had never seen before except done by quickly-banned trolls. A few weeks later, I saw your name at ANI, where somebody was asking for you to be (temporarily) blocked as a way to get you to change your WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior. . I agreed, citing diffs to support WP:BATTLEGROUND: . When you contended on your talk page that you never made PA , I again responded with diffs. I understand that my participation there was unwelcome to you, but I felt it would benefit Misplaced Pages if you could be motivated to change. I also think it would benefit you, but since you never agree that you are doing anything wrong, I think any change in your behavior is unlikely.

You and I have also clashed at a couple of AfDs, notably and . In fact, it was frustration with the low quality and editorializing of many of the articles you were submitting to DYK and getting quickly approved by Broccolo et al that motivated me to try to change the system there so that 1) articles should be NPOV and stable before being front-paged and 2) Proposed and now acted-on policy change: "DYK novices are strongly discouraged from confirming articles that have been flagged as subject to active arbitration remedies, as are editors active in those areas."

I have also taken part in a couple of discussions at user talk pages I was reading when you started attacking other editors, often without notifying either the people you were attacking or the people whose remarks you were quoting to attack them. I can cite plenty of diffs if you want but this is long enough.

In your proposed no-interaction agreement, you would supposedly promise to stop wikistalking me and making random attacks on my character as you did for example here and here. On the other hand I would be agreeing to let you attack people I respect without making any comment, even when I knew you were misrepresenting the truth and I could prove it. I would be agreeing to say nothing while you manipulate DYK, intended to reward the creation of new encyclopedia articles, to front-page links to op-ed "article" coatracks for demonizing Arabs, Muslims, and critics of Israel. That is not a symmetric agreement. It does not benefit Misplaced Pages. This is why I said no in the first place. I am not following you around to see if you are attacking people or creating bad articles or pushing bad articles into DYK. If I did that, I would have little time to do anything else on Misplaced Pages. Feel free to archive this, with or without reading it. betsythedevine (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)