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Update on my talk page

I updated my talk page after seeing you and another person with a unlogged-in ip talking on my page, not sure why they wanted to debate on my talk page but I suspect it was astroturfing due to my warning to you about the palin stuff. Belgarath TS (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

New Message on my talk page!

Please reply to my talk page. I've commented.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:19, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Help possible need

As you helped resolve some issues that I was involved in, your help would be greatly helpful on another issue that has arising on the Red River Rivalry article page I would go in to great detail here but I think its best if I let you look at the discussing that is taking place on the talk page any way that you or even someone else can help would be greatly helpful.--SteamIron 06:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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I hope to hear from you soon.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:27, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Wait

Not vandalism, he was just trying to revert a cut-and-paste move. Use of too many exclamation marks isn't generally a blockable offence is it? --Closedmouth (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

• How was this a copy-paste move? It was a recreation of a deleted article. Sasata (talk) 23:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Which was, to my knowledge, notabilified. Is that a word? m.o.p 01:05, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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Blanking of material at The Deputy

One of the editors recently deleted the entire sourced section in The Deputy regarding it's connection to communist propaganda on the (again) completely unsubstantiated and unsourced assertion that it is a "conspiracy theory". I'd like to avoid edit warring, however it seems to me that this is completely unwarranted and verges on vandalism, considering that there is no meritorious basis for deleting the entire section. How can this be dealt with? Mamalujo (talk) 18:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

MOP, how would you feel about one month of full protection for this article? I see that Ekwos has stopped by to remove the section again. The dispute about the KGB connection has been running for almost a year now. Full protection could motivate people to discuss the issue, and perhaps create an RfC. Thanks EdJohnston (talk) 20:32, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

One month of pending changes is better, I think. I don't like limiting legitimate editors, but this will disallow further warring from disrupting the 'pedia. m.o.p 07:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Gabriel Weinberg

I think you should of kept the article so I could of at least merged with DuckDuckGo. I am not writing a third article for the same person. So now Misplaced Pages will be missing valuable information. Smooth Ddonald99 (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't my decision to delete the article. We had clear community consensus. Please stop taking thins personally. m.o.p 07:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Actually user:Zjarriretues is removing a reliable source ] that mentions his ethnicity and places another that's more suitable to his national standarts. Although the source Zjarri. prefers is also 'rs' he did not disagree in the article's talkpage with my version ].

Unfortunately when a couple of months passed you prefered to make his revert per wp:ninja, without explaining the reason of this (very) delayed revert.Alexikoua (talk) 17:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I reverted myself, however, an explanation is needed in the talkpage by the user since he agreed in the past with the version I've presented on Aug..Alexikoua (talk) 17:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Your friend the the IP

He/she is at it again. Adding that same sentence on Chicago. Is a block in order? →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 00:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

sent you an email

Hi, m.o.p. I sent you an email. Thanks. --Kenatipo 03:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

One of your userboxes says you're only 17! I would have sworn you were older than that! ; ) --Kenatipo 23:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

you'll have me up for OUTING you! (just kidding). Thanks. --Kenatipo 02:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Godzilla

Hello, I am wondering why you do not think that Godzilla (2012 film project)‎ does not violate Misplaced Pages's policy of not being news. Topics are supposed to be of enduring notability. Plans for a film cannot be declared of enduring notability if there are only news reports that are written with a film in mind. The only appropriate way for it to work is if a project failed in development and got retrospective coverage, since it would address the plans themselves. Contemporary news reports could then be used to provide detail, not be used by themselves to serve as the basis of a topic of enduring notability. The notability guidelines for future films exist to ensure that discussion about planned film are relegated to the source of their importance, may it be the source material or a well-known filmmaker. A "film project" like the Godzilla one clearly demonstrates that it is not a topic of enduring notability when if filming begins, the scope has to be redefined as a regular film. In contrast, a film article is created at least when filming begins because per WP:CRYSTAL #1, it will be near certain that a film will come out. Its scope is set for eternity. Godzilla's scope is not. It should have belonged at the franchise article in the appropriate section for the time being. Erik (talk | contribs) 12:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I feel that it doesn't. If you check our crystal ball policy, you'll notice that it says, "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." That policy is meant to stop unsourced conjecture and speculation by editors, so I think we're fine in this case. m.o.p 14:26, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is appropriate to report discussion. It was reported at Godzilla (franchise)#American Reboot because the so-called "film project" is not a topic of enduring notability. It reports about a film that is not certain to happen, violating WP:CRYSTAL #1 about including it as a stand-alone topic. To use another example, Shantaram was a failed project to be based on the novel, and we have a film adaptation section at the novel article here. We are able to report discussion because such plans inherit their notability from something else, such as the source material or a famous filmmaker's intent. See also WP:NTEMP: "Misplaced Pages is not a news source: it takes more than just routine news reports about a single event or topic to constitute significant coverage... Even a large number of news reports that provide no critical analysis of the event is not considered significant coverage." The references in that article were routine news reports for the film industry; actions like buying film rights to a famous work or a project changing directors are the norm. The article did not have critical analysis, either, and is possibly on the promotional side, detailing the film's appearance at Comic-Con with a contemporary news report, not a retrospective one that would give it weight. I will keep my eye on the article, but I ask you to reconsider that plans for a film do not constitute a topic of enduring notability unless there are key events in development that have led to critical analysis (like at The Hobbit film project with all its troubles). Here, with Godzilla, the reports are extremely normal. The studio announces its plans for a film, and a director is attached for it (which is not a guarantee). That's what it boils down to, and it's not enough to be more than a news source. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate that you've explained your position to me (though I did read your points in the AFD thread) but I can't delve into stuff like this. If you're not happy with my close, you're fully welcome to ask another administrator or even open another AFD. m.o.p 16:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I won't do anything for now. I would just prefer to keep such articles a rarity. Following films for some time, a lot of people tend to create an article about a film the moment it is announced (or the moment something new happens, like a new director). I do like to report discussion (did so at Concrete Island) but it's more a matter of where for me, to ensure topics of enduring notability. I did want to ask, do you think a merge discussion in general would be more beneficial? I feel like an AFD like that foments a keep-or-delete mentality that overrides the in-between solution of reporting discussion under a broader article until we can be near certain a film will exist. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

A merge discussion would be great; I could weigh in and such. Feel free to open one up if you'd like to. m.o.p 23:03, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Please respond

Please respond at Talk:2011 Iranian protests. If you are going to enforce blocks on anyone who messes with adding links and templates about the Arab world protests (along with reversions), then you also need to enforce blocks on people who take them off. (Maybe not blocks right away though, I think that part of your initial message is a bit harsh.) I have commented about someone who has done just that on the talk page. Please respond to it. Silverseren 03:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

userspace

yours ;) I've been messing about in there. You recall a problem with a horizontal scrollbar? nada. Also, all those font-families are likely not showing for most people; it depends on their having them installed. Also, typefaces with a space in their names should be single-quoted. Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Protect my talk page

This IP-hopping anonymous user keeps undoing my striking-out of his/her comment even though it's a clear violation of WP policy, and has been unwilling to get consensus. I need help.Jasper Deng (talk) 06:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Lately, this IP also misused the edit war template on my talk page.Jasper Deng (talk) 00:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Block an IP

Hi I want to block this IP 79.109.143.197 because it say me Gay for hurt me, THANK YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EustaquioAsecas (talk • contribs) 23:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

E-Mail

Can you help?

User:146.232.75.208, appears to have difficulty understand original research and battleground mentality. He/she has introduced questionable sources from unpublished, highly nationalistic websites as "sources" for his/her anti-Turkic vendetta throughout Misplaced Pages. I have had to restored references and referenced information from neutral published sources that User:146.232.75.208 finds unpalatable. I have also had to remove weasel words within referenced sentences, that User:146.232.75.208 has decided to subvert from their original meaning. Could you take a look at this editor's actions? Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

nice guy

hiii master of puppets, ok do u know the movie Twilght saga ? rply me back i want 2 talk 2 u a lot because i like ur pesonalty.BY Adi21124 (talk) 11:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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The Deputy

Could we have your assistance at this page. We had previously come to an agreement regarding the nature of the role of Eastern Bloc intelligence in the play: "Yes of course; if the material only used truly reliable sources, was cut down in accord with WP:UNDUE, worded in accord in WP:NPOV, and moved to the correct location, it would be perfectly reasonable. Jayjg (talk) 04:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)" Jayjg had indicated at one point he would do a rewrite. He'd also had objections to the source where Rychlak had published (Pave the Way Foundation). He did not come up with the revised section so I reinserted the section with new citations to Rychlak's meticulously researched and footnoted 2010 book, rather than the earlier publication tha Jayjg objected to as self published. I would have been glad to have the section edited for POV and reduced somewhat for weight, but Jayjg seems to have reneged on what he agreed to earlier here and on the talk page. Some editors on the page, including Jayjg, keep tossing around terms like conspiracy theory when it clearly is nothing of the sort. Three noted scholars, all who write on this period in history say it is credible. It's also been published published world wide in top news sources. Mamalujo (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. My concern was not that Jayjg indicated he would rewrite and did not do so, but that he had agreed to allow more of the disputed section in the article rather than a dismissive sentence or two, but when editors began to delete the entire section based on frivolous reasons, he supported it. It appears now that we have, or are in the process of reaching a resolution. The section is now in the article, reduced substantially to account of Jayjg's concers about undue weight. Mamalujo (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Carla Rushing page deletion

I would like to know why the stub I created about a pornographic actress by the name Cody Lane has been deleted whereas many other stub of pornographic actors exist, many of them even less notable. Thanks --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Any further discussion of Sarah Palin will result in a warning, and then a temporary block. Thank you!

Hmmm, that might be just a tad excessive. We don't want to suppress all discussion, because that's when the pressure has nowhere to go, and people will go and meatball:ExpandScope.

Since scope is already expanded to international media, forcing scope to expand further might be a bit of a Bad Idea (tm). I recommend Not Going There.

If we're really intent on keeping discussions off of WP, we can always create a wikinews article, and link to the "discuss this article" page.

However, at the moment, people seem to be keeping it down to a dull roar anyway.

--Kim Bruning (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you caught my side point, but I'd like to stress the part I'm trying to tell you to watch out for!

Long term empirical experience shows that attempts to curtail discussion on wikipedia will not slow down the internet discussion elsewhere (or even on wikipedia). Instead, that's exactly what will feed it more and more steam. So Don't Do That.

Experience shows that the following approaches work:

• Try to centralize all (spurious) discussion in one place
• keep it as focused on encyclopedic work as possible.
• Treat the new users like new users. They don't know our rules yet. Teach them!
• The foundation would like to see us be more welcoming towards new users. That's a good idea! Let's do that.

--Kim Bruning (talk) 00:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

And... it went to AN/I (see below) --Kim Bruning (talk) 01:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit Notice on Paul Revere

You seem to be asserting some admin right to quench discussion on the talk page by blocking and/or warning with the editnotice that I don't think we have, by policy. IAR doesn't cover stomping on people, no matter how annoying a particular conversation is.

Kelly started a WP:ANI discussion on this.

Followups probably best on ANI as I am sure others will want to comment. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

On review - I'm going to blank the edit notice now. If an ANI consensus develops to support restoring it then I'll not object at all, but I think it's novel and enough of a stretch that the default should be "no" unless consensus develops otherwise. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:19, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

How does a user find a mentor?

Hello, m.o.p. How does a user find a mentor? (No, it's not for me -- I'm beyond help.) My wikibuddy, User:Fountainviewkid, has been getting into some scrapes and sometimes needs sage advice and sometimes technical advice. I was looking at the Online Ambassador page but it looks like something different than what we need for Fountainviewkid. The back-story is that FVK is a conservative Seventh-day Adventist and has been butting heads with, SURPRISE!, BelloWello aka WikiManOne, a not-so-conservative SDAdventist. I appreciate whatever you can tell me. Kenatipo 15:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Helen Lucy Burke

OK. This is simple. 86.45.75.42 slapped a speedy tag on the article claiming it was patent nonsense AND unreferenced (although I don't know how the hell you reference patent nonsense). I removed the tag and added references using the existing external links which I then removed as it was a reference. Of the other two external links, one was dead and the other was a sentence. Since then the IP keeps reverting because for some reason he wants the article unreferenced. PTJoshua (talk) 20:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Bluefist 20:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I did what you asked but the IP reverted it again. PTJoshua (talk) 21:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

You're removing everything I say. Please don't do this. It isn't helpful. --86.45.75.42 (talk) 21:19, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll talk to them. Sit tight for a second. m.o.p 21:10, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I did revert when he did it the first time. After the second, I let it go. I tried to explain things on his talk page. PTJoshua (talk) 21:26, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Deletion of 48gogreen page :Apaleja

Hello,

Thank you for quick response. I appreciate your reason. but if you do some research you'll find more then 4 or 5 substantial mentions in local or international media - in a newspaper, on a notable website, etc. - to put forward this article. There is a link on official website of company. http://www.48gogreen.com/static/web

Looking forward for your response. thank you in advance to undelete article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apaleja (talk • contribs) 08:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Here are some articles from International Press (you can use Google translator-if you use chrome it'll provide option immediately):

http://www.regione.emilia-romagna.it/wcm/cinema/sezioni_primopiano/PrimoPiano/Gadoev.htm

http://domani.arcoiris.tv/girano-un-corto-in-48-ore-e-arrivano-dritti-a-cannes/

http://www.close-up.it/spip.php?article6724

http://www.flashvideo.it/news/9/2578/

http://www.emilianoromagnolinelmondo.it/wcm/emilianoromagnolinelmondo/news/1trim2011/matteo_cervellati.htm

http://www.radioemiliaromagna.it/cultura/cinema/videomaker_bolognesi_cannes_corto_ecologico.aspx

Also if YOU HAD READ careful our site you should have see the Press link (those are press links not blogs) with all these web press: http://www.48gogreen.com/static/web

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apaleja (talk • contribs) 08:22, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Final warning On Edit Warring of Efik language dispute

• If My Reporting a false article is the reason you want to block me. Then Go ahead and BLOCK me.

I can be Block because I don't care to be part of a web/Encyclopedia of Lies! Although I have contributed anonymously to wikipedia since 2008, I only just signed on a few weeks ago to report an error that I thought was made. But you and your other BIASED administrators have refused to fix this error, instead you're all threatening to block me.

• : According to Misplaced Pages A false statement/article is removed immediatley it is realized. Yet as am reporting it you all are threatening me for causing disruption.
• You all are saying that I called I called Kwami Slow, Dumb etc. Yet Kwami used the words Ignorance first.

"As for Ukwa, your ignorance is not evidence of anything".

What is the meaning of IGNORANCE? S/He also said;

"But we cannot have the same article under two names, nor an article on Ibibio-Efik that does not include Ibibio, nor an article on Efik that does not include Efik. A little common sense would be helpful."

What is meaning of Common sense? Or because Kwami put it very nicely, and mine wasn't? Also I wasn't blanking the Efik page, since I just signed on it takes me a long while to write up an article. According to the statements above, Kwami said I could develop articles on Efik and Ibibio, that is what I was doing when you or your other BIASED administrators returned the articles back to the re-direct.

• : Since wikipedia says a false statement is fixed immediately it is reported, I explained out the mistakes, but Kwami kept insisting that me a native who speaks these languages was wrong and asked for sources. I provided the sources and Kwami Called A brilliant Historian who is a Million times more knowledgable than Kwami on the language;

"utterly ignorant AND not some random idiot who posted a web page".

Yet you and your other Biased colleges are claiming that am the one attacking Kwami and causing a disruption.

• : Am done with Misplaced Pages, am going to be taking this issues to the Founder/head by email, once the Ibibio union are involved it might become a legal matter if Misplaced Pages still continues to portray this misleading information.

I will take this matter to the heads by Email first because they might not be aware of what you all supposed administrators are doing to their image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibibiogrl (talk • contribs) 21:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mops,

Pls read my comments on the ANI page. I think Ibibiogrl means well, she just needs some guidance, and she's not willing to take it from me. — kwami (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Obviously we would like to have contributors from that part of the world, but Ibibiogrl's record here is so unpromising that I think we need good assurances that something will change in the future. (I would welcome any evidence that Ibibiogrl means well. It is hard to improve the encyclopedia when you have no interest in or respect for its policies. Read her statement above if you are uncertain about that). Mentorship has value only for someone who understands that something has gone wrong and would be willing to work with a mentor. EdJohnston (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ed in this case - I have no grudge against Ibibiogrl, but the editor's attitude, despite multiple pleas for otherwise, remained combative and even insulting at points. If there's a serious expression of guilt and the editor decides they'd like to walk a different path, I'd be happy to help. However, as it is now, I believe the block should stand. m.o.p 22:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree that it would require some indication that she wants help. Just my 2¢ as the person she's most upset with. — kwami (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

For the record, your input is highly appreciated, and very admirable; as the editor in conflict with her, I respect your neutrality and helpfulness. As for Ibibiogrl, we'll see where that goes. Cheers! m.o.p 00:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Can you adopt me i want a new adopter.

(Curiouscorey (talk) 23:58, 18 June 2011 (UTC))

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mr. Pit (2nd nomination)

I'm a little puzzled by your decision. Three editors (including the nom') wanted to keep, while only two wanted to delete. Either there was no consensus, or the consensus was to keep. What's the point of having an AfD, if admins come along and over rule the consensus? The subject clearly met WP:MUSICBIO because he had released several works with Armada Music. The mention of YouTube was simply to further support the point that besides meeting the criteria to the letter, he meets it in the real world too. — Fly by Night (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

This isn't personal

I belive the AFD on Campaign for "santorum" neologism was closed way to early and am contesting your close.

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 21. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. KoshVorlon' _{Nal Aeria} 12:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

James Ball

Why was this deleted? The discussion AS OF THIS MORNING was in favor of keeping it http://en.wikipedia.org/Thomas_James_Ball 128.107.239.233 (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Consensus was to delete (see here). Cheers, m.o.p 22:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. But I will not be blocked - _I am adding_ wikipedia to adblock. I also feel regret for having donated to the site before, but this will not happen again. Demonuminon (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC).

Thomas James Ball

Why the hell did you delete his page? Does his suffering mean nothing to you?

Heartless bitch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.206.141 (talk • contribs)

Hey, Master of Puppets, OBVIOUSLY there is a public interested in keeping this article. Restore your deletion. Look at the massive flood of comments regarding your deletion here: http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/06/24/the-organized-silencing-of-a-man-publicly-burned-to-death/ and here http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i81rw/the_organized_silencing_of_a_man_publicly_burned/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romerom (talk • contribs) 20:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Ball HIT A FOUR-YEAR-OLD CHILD, refused to pay child support, called for insurrection, demanded terrorism and violence as a solution, ultimately killed himself (leaving his children without a father) and damaged public property in the process. Even after all that, his incoherent message has mostly been ignored except by the less discriminating people claiming to speak for "men's rights" who haven't bothered to look into the details of his case. (If you really want to damage your cause, adopt a grown man who hits his own four-year-old child and flakes out on his child support as your poster boy.) --Orange Mike | Talk 20:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC) (proud father who has never hit his child in his lifetime)

Hey, "proud father who never hit his child in his lifetime", not everybody is against disciplining their children by spanking. He said his daughter was licking his hand, and he had told her repeatedly to stop. She didn't, and he smacked her. He didn't punch her, or send her to the hospital, or cause any serious injury. Just enough to have his wife baited into calling the police on him by child protective services. As for child support, he paid his child support until the point where he wasn't able to afford it due to an employment issue. Is that such a crazy thing to have happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.155.1 (talk) 04:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Again, while I do sympathize with the family and supporters, I am not taking sides, nor do I have any bias in this situation. I am not a feminist, nor am I a misogynist - I am fair and neutral towards all people, whether they be abusive fathers or abused fathers.

This deletion was enforced solely in keeping with Misplaced Pages's long-established policies. Mr. Ball's death, while indeed tragic, was not reported throughout the reliable media enough to show his notability.

I hope this makes sense to all those saddened by Mr. Ball's passing. Cheers, m.o.p 21:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I understand that you do not think that Mr. Ball's death is something that qualifies as an event and thus deleted said article. I disagree but I do see the merits of your argument. However, you claim to be unbiased in this debate and yet for someone who judges on the letter of the law you break the law and close debate 2.5 days before final judgment is to be rendered. If you have no corner then I ask why make this article a special case that it must be quelled , by your own admission, 2.5 days before any other articles found in similar circumstances are voted upon. I petition you to reinstate and allow the normal course of the discussion continue for the 2.5 days, allow the full opportunity for the pro side to make their case then recluse yourself from the final judgment. This is the only way to ensure transparency so that your claim of neutrality can be believed. CaffOMHW (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahead of things, let me tell you that I appreciate the civility.

Misplaced Pages's policies aren't law - they're guidelines. As an administrator, it's my job to apply policy in a way that is completely devoid of bias and benefits the encyclopedia as a whole.

On a side note, the deletion nomination was closed 1.5 days before the normal time. The page had a whole work week to be saved, rewritten or reworked; however, due to the lack of outside sourcing that carried reliability, there was nothing to keep that wasn't editorialized or unencyclopedic. I would also like to point out that almost every account that voiced their opinion in the 'keep' spectrum had either only edited that page or had edited very little aside from the page. Meanwhile, the deletion argument was put forward by experienced users.

Though I understand that some people take offense to my early closure, I assure them that one extra day would not have yielded success, and that I took many factors into consideration before closing the discussion.

Again, thank you for the civility, but I won't be overturning judgment or recreating a deletion discussion at this date. m.o.p 08:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Ball closure.

First of all, I don't think there can be any doubt about where this was heading. That said, I was planning on looking for sources and assumed I had time to do so. Not a big deal (I only found one more source, not enough to get past WP:EVENT by any means), but I would have appreciated the extra time. I do think you've handled the issue well. I felt some of the regulars were a bit vehement/insensitive in their arguments to delete and I was glad to see your condolences in the close. Nice to see the caring about people, even SPAs (who are people too), in that situation. Thanks. Hobit (talk) 03:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank God you are an ambassador for WP, and against censorship, MoP. When Misplaced Pages fails, and it eventually will, it will largely be because most people don't like to be gamed and would rather not read well cultivated information that is maintained by dishonest brokers who hide behind rules that are never applied in an even-handed manner. The idea that a story is not relevant merely because it is not yet encyclopedic is ridiculous when one sees all the articles which linger on for months or years in the same state. The idea that a story is not relevant because the motivations/justifications of the user are suspect would be grounds for eliminating half the biographical articles in WP. It smacks of an agenda. The appearance of impropriety is as bad as actual impropriety.173.78.20.96 (talk) 04:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback.

I do my best to maintain an equal, proportionate response in all dealings on Misplaced Pages; I don't defend things I like, or attack things I dislike, just for the reason of screwing with people. That strikes me as childish. Instead, the most I can do is try to help others understand Misplaced Pages policies, which are generally mind-bending and hard to grasp (for example, most people ask, "What's the reasoning a war hero isn't considered notable when Donkey Kong is?").

Maybe one day the policies will change. I mean, most of these were written five, six year ago - the world's changing, and I expect they will with time. But, for now, the guidelines handle what comes in.

Again, thanks for the input. I appreciate not being personally attacked - it makes it easier to reply. Cheers, m.o.p 05:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Natami (2nd nomination)

I'd ask that you reconsider your close of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Natami (2nd nomination). If I end up taking this to DRV, we both know it most likely will be overturned. I'd rather avoid the additional drama however. --Tothwolf (talk) 04:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The close was thoroughly thought-out, so there's not much ground for me to explore that I haven't already. If you're set on going to DRV, there's nothing I can say which will change your mind, and it's your right to ask for a review. However, current consensus sits at delete (unless the 'keep' side is hiding an ace-in-the-hole reliable source or something). Cheers, m.o.p 04:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

So, what about the reliable sources we already brought up in the AfD such as this interview in Amiga Future or this news article from nr2.ru? We've already established that Amiga Future isn't sponsored by a hardware company as one !voter there falsely claimed. On a related note, did you discount the !votes from individuals making misleading statements or those claiming there were "no independent reliable sources"? (I could tell you how that !voter happened to show up there, but he isn't going to like it.) I could also link to forum posts by another delete !voter who showed up there who was very much into a "delete at any cost" mode because he doesn't like "amiga clones". --Tothwolf (talk) 05:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Those sources were there before the previous close, and I, like the previous administrator, do not think they're strong enough.

I've already covered what kind of rationale was discounted and what wasn't.

As for your last statement about other editors - I'm not quite sure what your point is, but I don't think it's relevant. As I said, I've discounted any rationale that does not apply policy.

Cheers, m.o.p 05:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Uh, no...nr2.ru was only brought up in the second AfD. Strong enough is also an argument to be made in a !vote, not a closing statement. --Tothwolf (talk) 05:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

My apologies, the Russian source was indeed added after the first AfD. Still too shaky for a stand-alone article, though. Cheers, m.o.p 13:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

To follow up on my earlier comment, while I don't really want to get into an "X did this because of Y" sort of thing with regards to this AfD, there were a number of delete !voters who showed up there for personal reasons/vendettas/bias and/or who made false statements about sources. Despite the template at the top of the AfD, the second AfD also didn't suffer from the forum canvassing that the first did. One of the delete !voters actually came by way of the forum and first AfD and was trolling because of his personal dislike of Amiga clones. --Tothwolf (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

If they have valid, policy-based rationale, their personal motivation doesn't matter, solely for the reason that an encyclopedia based on liking or disliking things would crumble instantly. I'm sure some of the deletion crew could just-as-easily blame keep voters for being enthusiasts and fans of Natami - but that's not important. As a result, making allegations of personal bias is unnecessary. The help is appreciated, but there's nothing I can do with the information. m.o.p 15:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It matters when someone makes false statements and tries to hide what they are doing behind policy. As for keeps, quite a number appear to be from well established editors who don't appear to be all that interested in Amiga topics. As for myself, I wasn't even aware of NatAmi until the first AfD and didn't even !vote in the first AfD since I thought it was pretty obvious it was headed for a no-consensus close. --Tothwolf (talk) 15:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Again, if their rationale is grounded in policy, their motivation does not matter, simply because it's impossible to discern someone's intent through text, and because the second someone accuses another of favoritism/malicious intent the entire argument turns into a bunch of people shouting, "You're lying." That's why there's nothing I can do with your information in this case. Cheers, m.o.p 16:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Apologies to you, M.O.P., for addressing another editor on your talk page, but I just wanted to jump in this conversation. Tothwolf, with no prejudice against you at all I strongly suggest you take this in perspective. There have been two AFDs and an ANI report over this article. The way you treated me on my talk page threatening DRV because I was a new administrator was, as I feel it, borderline harassing. That you canvassed two other administrators to talk to me was also a below the belt move. In good faith, I relisted the debate and it has closed again as delete. I strongly suggest taking the advice at WP:DGAF into account here and let the issue go. I don't think there will be a problem recreating this article, even pulling the old content back from the deletion log, when the subject has better sources in a broader community. I hold no ill feeling toward you, this is purely honest advice.--v/r - TP 16:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

TParis, while you are correct in that this talk page is not the place for this, because you brought this up here and you seem to value honest feedback, I'll address this here.

In no way did I ever threaten you with DRV, let alone because you were a new administrator (discussion in question). I did however upon noticing that you had passed RFA only days earlier decide it best not to press you further in public and instead sent you this short email: "Sigh. I just noticed you just finished your RFA. The Natami AfD was a bad AfD to pick to close right out of the gate. It is likely to end up at DRV and given the magazine I mentioned, overturned. I really wish you would reconsider your close. You might have noticed I didn't even !vote in the AfD itself, however I did point out a number of things and took a couple of people to task for making false or misleading statements." That is the only email I sent you about the matter and not once did I ever threaten you with DRV. Please get your facts correct before making statements such as this because such mistakes can have a negative effect on others.

After you replied expressing your disagreement over the sources (and implied that I might be biased because I sometimes contribute to computing-related articles) I asked a number of other administrators (way more than two, actually) what they thought of the AfD's close because I wanted unbiased feedback to see if I was somehow totally off-track before I initiated a DRV. The feedback I got was fairly unanimous in that the close was problematic. Before I had a chance to draft a DRV however, you reverted your own close and relisted the AfD from scratch with a new listing. In no way did I ever "canvass" anyone to "talk to you" and if others did contact you directly, they did so at their own discretion and for their own reasons.

There indeed have been two AfDs, the first of which you closed (although one could also argue that the second was merely a relist of the first). The AN/I "discussion" you also mentioned wasn't really over this article or the first AfD, it was an attempt by someone to game AN/I when they were unable to bully me on their talk page. Please be more careful making these sort of blanket statements in the future because as I mentioned above such statements can cause problems for others. --Tothwolf (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You're email was exactly like your reply here. You like to make threats without actually making them: "such statements can cause problems". There is very little way your email cannot be interpreted as anything other than a threat of DRV because I am a new administrator. This is all I'll say on M.O.P.'s talk page as I came here to offer honest advice and you don't seem interested in it. If you'd like to discuss further with me, you know where to find my talk page.--v/r - TP 17:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

TParis, in no way did I ever make an implied threat. While I may be a little blunt and abrasive at times (or maybe I'm just an asshole), because you had just passed your RFA, I tried to treat the situation with kid gloves.

I was also attempting to assume good faith in that you simply misremembered the facts I outlined above when you made this statement here. It is easy to forget a few details here or there and not everyone maintains detailed notes for this sort of stuff (I do, for a number of reasons, although I didn't always).

As far as honest advice goes, this is a two-way street and I gave you my opinion as well. If you choose to ignore and discount it, so be it, but I'd suggest you be much more careful in the future and get your facts correct before you make the sort of statement you made above. Such statements can and do cause problems for other editors. Who knows, it may just be that you've not been around long enough yet to have witnessed people blocked or punished in some way because someone else didn't have their facts together. (If you do decide you want to continue this discussion, perhaps we should take this elsewhere.) --Tothwolf (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation (2nd nomination)

hi, i see you agree it was a keep close; what is the proper venue for discussion of an improper reopening of an AfD ? is this edit warring? what warnings are proper? 98.163.75.189 (talk) 12:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Natami

I can do the merge per your suggestion, if you like, just drop a copy in my userspace. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thought you might want to know

Apparently the afd for Thomas James Ball has attracted some media attention here. I personally have no problem with the close and think based on the arguments you made a perfectly reasonable call, but I figured you might appreciate the heads up in case a ****storm comes your way. Umbralcorax (talk) 02:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's just the same little ideological website which has been pushing for the "Martyrdom of St. Thomas Ball" attention since day one; no actual new coverage. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I guess I should also mention that the way I found it, was that someone tried submitting it to Fark.com last night. The admins did not greenlight it, so that particular submission/thread did not go to the main Fark page, appearing only to those with Totalfark accounts. The submission said something like "Misplaced Pages deletes burning man" (I'm not at a computer with TF access so I might not have that exactly right). It might, theoretically, based on the submission, be considered some sort of off-site canvassing (it was submitted with the asinine tag). For what its worth, the thread went uncommented, so I don't think that particular attempt garnered any support. I just wanted to drop a line in case that this was just the first drop of a large storm. If I see anything else, I'll drop a line here. Umbralcorax (talk) 15:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Wiki ad

Hello MOP, you're listed at the WikiAd template as the goto person, and I was hoping you could create an ad for our wikiproject: WP:WikiProject Conservatism? Thanks! – Lionel 11:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

4chan raid

Unfortunately the 4chan page you linked to in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#4chan raid does not exist now. Can you give a pointer to what is involved? JamesBWatson (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thomas James Bell, new information

You have stated that not enough "main stream media," (I paraphrase) has discussed this man's self immolation. You need to read, Doctor Helen Reynolds' article on him http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/on-fire-but-blacked-out-the-thomas-ball-story/ to recognize how misguided you are. Please, read it, Pajamas Media, while absolutely reviled by the liberal main stream media, has more readers than most alternative news sites.72.255.45.245 (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"Pajamas Media... has more readers than most alternative news sites." Perhaps. Probably, so do many porn sites; that doesn't mean that we treat them as reliable sources. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

User:BillyMoses

Just as you blocked User:BillyMoses, I started an SPI investigation. Feel free to do with it as you will. Singularity42 (talk) 02:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Natami

Would you regard a redirect to Minimig#Similar projects and the addition of such references as there were to Natami to that section as consistent with your close, especially if the history is not restored.? DGG ( talk ) 19:26, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

AFD

Re:Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bramalea (Züm Queen). This is just stupid. Most of the other VIVA stations have already been deleted under Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/16th-Carrville (VIVA). There is no difference between these articles. I have worked on most of them, but don't care one way or the other. They should either have all been kept or all deleted. This is a stupid Misplaced Pages process. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Your input is appreciated, though there's nothing I can do with it but take a note. If you'd like, you can weigh in at the next AfD(s), when/if they arise. Cheers, m.o.p 19:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Dr Myko San – Health from Mushrooms

... would benefit from your :hr abilities, if you can spare the time.LeadSongDog come howl! 13:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help! However, I'm currently away from a computer (typing this on my phone), so I'll have to check in on the 11th of July. Does that sound okay? m.o.p 15:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

wp:NODEADLINE :-) LeadSongDog come howl! 15:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

From a former Wikipedian

-71.234.90.0 (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey, thanks so much! I'm not sure who you are, but I really appreciate the sentiment. Hope all is well! m.o.p 20:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for Thomas James Ball

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Thomas James Ball. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. (Comment: I don't think you wrongly closed it; with what arguments were made at the time, it was a reasonable close. I just believe strongly that another perspective should be considered. NickDupree (talk) 23:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DRV comment

Ah, thanks for that. I thought I was endorsing the review of the original deletion. Cheers. -Deathsythe (talk) 17:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DRV

Could you please overturn the deletion of these files per File:Signature of Amitabh Bachchan.svg and File:Signature of Zakir Hussain.svg:

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Diligent07

Appears to be less than new. See User talk:Raoulduke25 where he states that this is a deliberate series of edits.

Can you please help defend our collective effort of including the obscene middle-finger incident in the Cheney Mason article? It should be maintained in the article for public interest, etc. Please see the Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Cheney Mason discussion page and include your thoughts in favor of having the content remain in the interests of the public, etc

, and even imputation that an editor has a connection with the person . He has been on since April, and started off as being experienced on WP IMHO. Kindly keep an eye out please. Especially for any sign of a real "collective effort"? Such as ? Cheers. Collect (talk) 11:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hello. You have a new message at Lionelt's talk page.

Semi protection

Saw your revert in Sudhamoy Pramanick. Wanted to semi-protect the article due to repeated erroneous entries by an open IP. Can you plz direct me to the instruction page for the same. On request the IP user has been warnedTinkswiki (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC).

OK, this thing with the militant atheism page is impossible

These guys are incredible... I could dig up diffs to show you how they revert and wikilawyer even the SMALLEST attempt to move the article closer to NPOV. But that would take a long time for you to read. How about I show you this instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Militant_atheism&action=historysubmit&diff=439306187&oldid=439305595

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Militant_atheism&action=historysubmit&diff=439304125&oldid=439303853

These guys are utterly without scruples. Who in their right mind would remove the NPOV dispute tag when heated arguments have been raging for weeks and NO moves whatsoever have been made to fix the article? Oh right, that would be someone in their right mind who is running a propaganda platform.

Anyway... I wanted to ask your advice on what to do. These guys are impossible to work with. Most of the other editors have given up and refuse to put this page on their watchlist. So what to do then? Request formal mediation? Articles for deletion? Something else?

Me and the other editors would like to see the page replaced with a disambiguation page... since literally ALL the content has already been covered (better) in Criticism of atheism, State atheism and New Atheism.

Obhave (talk) 13:21, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello User:Master of Puppets. I noticed this conversation and thought I might add that an RfC was held over this issue a couple days ago in which many editors stated that it would not be a good idea to have the article split per WP:N, WP:RS, VP:V, WP:POVTITLE, WP:COMMONNAME, etc. When this RfC was closed, two days later, User:Obhave opened a brand new RfC on the same issue because he thinks that his way is the only one. This is motivated by his view of the term as personally hurtful. Not only that, he consistently makes personal attacks (e.g. 1 2) and frames Misplaced Pages like a war zone; he also ignores the comments of other editors who do wish to try to work constructively and compromise with him. The issue is not as simple as User:Obhave portrays it. Even in the new RfC, uninvolved users do not see the supposed problem which User:Obhave keeps pointing to (e.g. 1, 2). I hope this helps. Thanks, Anupam 16:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

And why the hell did you remove the NPOV dispute tag? You still haven't answered that! Obhave (talk) 11:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, I am flabbergasted by the lies you actually post here... you haven't been working with anyone. Also, you (or someone else in your camp) meatpuppeted previous discussions without even bothering to hide it (by adding no less than eleven religious groups into the discussion, but not Wikiproject Atheism).

Clearly there's no recourse but to request formal mediation to look into the fact that you have indeed blocked every single attempt to make the article comply with NPOV policy. Obhave (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2011 (UTC)