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Article Assessment

As part of the setup of the task force articles that come under the scope of the project are being tagged with Scotland=yes. With that i am after opinions on what should be classed As low mid and high importance for the task force. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

High = international players and SPL teams, mid = SPL players and SFL teams, and low = other? GiantSnowman 16:42, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. So for instance the Scottish cup would be high would you then class the seasons the same or should they be low as other. Any one else got anything to add. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

How about High =SPL SFA, Scottish Cup, SPL Clubs and international players. Mid=SFl leagues and teams SPL Players and managers any other cup competitons. Low=other players who have played in scotland and miscellaneous articles. Unsure about season articles, Warburton1368 (talk) 14:48, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. When you say other players who have played in Scotland, do you mean at non-SPL/historical top tier level? The WP Football assessment page states season articles are low, so it would be logical to follow their lead on that. I think that the national youth teams should be low importance as well; if you agree you might want to change the rating for the U-16s, which is currently mid (the others are low). Another category is non-international Scottish players playing abroad, if they are playing (or have played) in a top-level league I would suggest mid, and others low. Deserter1 15:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense so season articles are low. I meant non SPL players but basically any player not appeared in the top flight. Players abroad i would go for low but if played in a top league like say the english premier then yeah mid would be appropriate. In terms of that national youth teams i would probably go for mid with the main national team high but i can see them being low as well would maybe need some more input but i could lean for either. Warburton1368 (talk) 15:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with all of that. I had a look at the European under-19 teams, and some (e.g. Italy) are ranked mid importance and others {e.g. Croatia) low. I don't see any guidance on this on WP:Football, and I don't feel strongly either way, so I'm happy if you want to go with mid. Deserter1 15:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

When you say international players should be classed as High do you mean Scottish internationals or all internationals players who play or have played in Scotland such as David Obua & Aiden McGeady. Personally I think Scottish internationals should be classed as high, but David Obua should fall into mid class along with other current SPL players, & former SPL players who now play abroad who are internationals or have played in the top leagues in Europe such as Aiden McGeady should classed as mid, however plays like Flávio Paixão should be classed as low. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC))

Scottish Internationals all other players would fall into the others depending on where they have played. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:04, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Another thought what about referee's. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I would class most Scottish referees as low however refs who have been officials at Major International competitions such World Cup & European Championship should be classed as mid. As for referees who have referred in Champions league or Europa lg I think they should also be low unless they officiated the final. The major of referee pages are just stubs needing expansion & large number of referees have no pages at all, I think referees need to be added to our to do list. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 17:45, 6 August 2011 (UTC))

Agree with the importance. I will add all this to main page when I get a chance. Agree the Refs articls in general arent great. Any you find that need improved add then to the main page also ones that need created will take time but will get there. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Should the SFA be classed as top rather then high & what importance should the Scotland national team be given? For example the english taskforce have classed the FA as top & England national team as high. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 22:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC))

Was going for high for the national team. To be honest i had completely forgotten about top. The Sfa should defiantly be that.Warburton1368 (talk) 22:52, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I think there are several missing areas in the guidlines.
Scottish players who have never played in Scotland or been capped for the national team, e.g. Alex Pearce, Tom Cairney, Ikechi Anya
Players who used to play in Scotland, are Scottish but have never been capped for the national team Kevin McDonald, Leigh Griffiths, Scott Cuthbert
Players born in Scotland who play for another national team, James McCarthy, Aiden McGeady (High?) Adam4267 (talk) 00:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The importance guideline is only preliminary at this stage & will need expansion. McGeady & McCarthy fall into the same category as Gattuso -> Players who previously played in Scotland (Who have played at the highest level internationally/club). Also Leigh Griffiths, Scott Cuthbert & Kevin McDonald are already covered by Players who previously played in Scotland. I never said only foreign players. I will modify examples. (★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★) 00:52, 7 August 2011 (UTC))

The very valid point raised by Adam4267 that Scottish players who have never played in Scotland or been capped for the national team need to be added to Importance guideline however what rating should they recieve low or mid?

Was covered by me neat the top of discussion. Scottish players come under low if they have never played at an international or high level. If they have played at top flight in another country then mid. As for scottish player who play international for another county then im not sure. Warburton1368 (talk) 10:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Did You Know? Archive

I started a DYK sub-page that will hopefully serve as a useful archive for any new Scottish football articles that successfully go through the DYK nomination process. This links to an infobox on the task force main page. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Football/Scotland task force/Did you know for details. It would be great if new Scottish football articles that are well-referenced, at least 1500 characters in length and that include an interesting fact are regularly proposed for DYK by following instructions at Template talk:Did you know. Deserter1 15:17, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Thats something we should be able to do. Shall we add previous one when we come across them. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Here are my previous DYKs, all of which relate to Scottish football: Hibernian Park, Walter Galbraith, Willie McCartney, Kevin Thomas (footballer), Bobby Atherton, Willie Groves, John Brown (footballer born 1915), 2001–02 Hibernian F.C. season, Tom Smith (footballer born 1909), Motherwell v Hibernian (5 May 2010) and 1980 Scottish Cup Final. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 17:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

There is a full record here, copy the Scottish ones across and job's a good one. GiantSnowman 18:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I have done that. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues

A discussion that will affect this task force is taking place at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Scottish Women's Cup

Too bad 4 editions are missing at RSSSF. Maybe one could find those in a scottish newspaper archive. And i guess Scottish Women's Football League Second Division North, East and West could be combined into one article. -Koppapa (talk) 16:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)