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Etymology

Thank you for your contribution at the page about Ukrainains. In my opinion, Fedor Gaida is not a relevant historian at all, but it is OK to allow other users to play with Ukrainian name for so long they respect ukrainian sources and historians. Thanks for support!--SeikoEn (talk) 06:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Mila Kunis is proud to be Ukrainian

During an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live to promote Black Swan (film), Kunis explained that her family doesn't celebrate the high holy days – HOWEVER, she did say that they celebrate Orthodox New Year with a casserole that uses herring and root vegetables. And during another appearance on Kimmel to promote Friends With Benefits (film), Kunis pronounced the name of her grandfather as "BorYs" – not "BorIs". Just FYI before you go hatin'. – Jwkozak91 (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

How do you even pronounce Boris and Borys differently? lol. She also said on Conan that she's "Russian".--Львівське (talk) 00:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

This has been discussed on her talkpage and it was concluded that we don't know exactly what he heritage is since she keeps sending conflicting signals... For instance most Russians do not state in Russia they are from Ukraine while giving no indication they feel they are Russian.... Your statement below temporary residence in the Ukrainian SSR makes one an ethnic Ukrainian is bullocks cause her family may have lived in Ukraine for ages.... If you care about Ukraine you keep away from drawing conclusions on what seems to me Blut und Boden-theories. Making Ukrainians look like Nazi's will not benefit anybody. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Yulia, the fact that you state "it was concluded that we don't know exactly" and "her family may have lived in Ukraine for ages" indicates that you are contributing to original research and synthesis, in that you assume because her family emigrated from the Ukrainian SSR that she could be Ukrainian. The fact remains, as you admit, there is no conclusive evidence to suggest this. Without a reliable source, this information cannot be included on her WP:BLP as fact. Also, the fact that she temporarily resided in Ukraine is not, as you put it, "bullocks", because it is a fact to her biography. She does not have Ukrainian citizenship, she (to my knowledge) can't speak the language, and there is no evidence suggesting she identifies with, or as, Ukrainian. I love Mila, she's gorgeous and one day I'm going to marry her (kidding), but Misplaced Pages is not a place for you to pad some mental list of yours of famous pseudo-Ukrainians. Furthermore, your accusations of Nazism and blatantly fabricated quote you attributed to me on the talk page for Ukrainian Americans is not proper conduct for Misplaced Pages, Godwin's Law be damned.--Львівське (talk) 17:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Block and Final warning

I warned this account months ago for inappropriate conduct on articles with regard to edits (and edit summaries) about race and ethnicity. It seems that this account has returned to that behaviour. This is the final warning you will receive for edits incompatible with wikipedia's core principles, core policies and codes for behaviour. It is, as has been pointed out, recorded in third party reliable sources that your views on Mila Kunis's ethnicity is incorrect.
Your action in revert warring on two articles about this (diffs show original edit and reverts), although not making more than 3 reverts this action (across 2 articles) does constitute a breach of WP:EDITWAR, due to repeated reverts without discussion and the spill over from one article to another (something an account with your history of edit-warring should be aware is inappropriate by now) - this has resulted in a 72 hour block. For clarity WP:3RR does not give an automatic right to 3 reverts per day on articles.
Previously I had to warn you that a person being black and English is absolutely possible - it is your problem if you haven't got that message. The fact that you are now edit-warring over your apparent belief that being Jewish & Ukrainian is not possible is pointy, incorrect, and contrary to the core policies of this site (source based, neutral point of view edits). You should be in no doubt User:Lvivske that further behaviour like this will be prevented by block if necessary.
Over the course of years you have been counseled and notified about your improper conduct on this site - most recently by me - the behaviour of this account since indicates that you are either not learning, or are ignoring these warnings, and are continuing to use wikipedia as a battleground. This sort of behaviour is forbidden on site and is explicitly listed as grounds for imposing sanction at both the Eastern European disputes RfAr and the Digwuren RfAr.
This message is both an official notification of these Arbitration findings in light of this account's edit warring about ethnicity and nationality on an article (Ukrainian Americans) and a related BLP (Mila Kunis) and a final warning generally for edits, comments and other actions on this site, about race and ethnicity, (actions that either constitute POV editing, use of[REDACTED] to further off site/real world disputes, or push a POV) that are fundamentally at variance from the stated aims, goals and purpose of this project as an encyclopedia will result in this account loosing its editting privelages--Cailil 13:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

1) Your view on the ethnic English / black position is that of your own POV and not necessarily fact by any sense of the word. That is your own personal belief and you should, as a person of authority here on Misplaced Pages, not allow your own personal views into edit wars or content resolution. 2) The link you provided to a book about Mila Kunis proves nothing, and shows nothing relevant to the discussion at hand. It's just a book cover with no page number, quote, or anything. As I stated previously, she's an ethnically Jewish person from the Soviet Union who is now an American citizen. How is she Ukrainian, ethnic or otherwise? This is just WP:OR on your own part; inferring that temporary residence in the Ukrainian SSR makes one an ethnic Ukrainian, and somehow qualified to headline a diaspora article she does not identify with. 3) The so called "edit warring" you are citing was hardly edit warring, as I have primary sources to back up the reason for my edit regarding Tkachuk, and I was also engaged in communicating the edits with 2 people so far. This is not edit warring. 4) Are you seriously citing arbitrary filings against me that resulted in no action because I was innocent, as some sort of proof against my general behavior or conduct? 5) IS THIS CONCLUSION OF YOURS SERIOUSLY BASED ON YULIA'S FABRICATED QUOTE OF "People who are Jews are never Ukrainian" FROM THE TALK PAGE? If so, then wow. I asked for a source and she warped it into that tripe.

Know the situation before handing out discipline for what was clearly a good faith series of edits. I suggest you follow up on disputes a with a little more attention to detail than you did with this one because if this is a reflection of "findings" then I fear for safety of others' accounts who actually push a real boundary, unlike the BS you're citing above.--Львівське (talk) 02:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Lvivske, it is very clear that you don't understand or don't want to hear about, what[REDACTED] is for. Your block is a result of revert warring, without discussion (as a review of your contribs shows there was no discussion on this topic during the reverts except the remarks on this page which fail to address the point), and the spill over of the dispute from one article to another. Your edits and edit summaries are what led here (particularly this one). My determination is based on your edit summaries (listed in the diffs above). Also it is very easy for those of us reviewing your edits to see that reliable sources describe this person as Ukrainian and reliable soures are what we use on Misplaced Pages, not your opinion Lvivske.
Using[REDACTED] to further off site agendas or your POV is prohibitted. And especially so in Eastern European topics. You have been formally placed on notice of this.
Your failure to get the point vis-a-vis edits about race and ethnicity on[REDACTED] is your problem - whether that's due to a POV or a language barrier doesn't matter:[REDACTED] is a) not a battleground and b) requires competence to use. If you cannot adjust your behaviour to comply with our policies you will simply be prevented from breaking them.
I will remind you that ad hominem and uncivil comments like the above are not aceptable on[REDACTED] and may lead to further blocks, or the revocation of your talk age access while blocked. Please see WP:UNBLOCK for advice on how to request a review of this block--Cailil 11:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

• A note for reviewing admins. This block was made in light of reverts on the same issue/topic but on two articles - all done without discussion or attempts at discussion by Lvivske. Given his history of editwarring he is, or should be, aware of WP:EDITWAR - hence the length of the block. Also the block is made in light of previous edis (wrt race & ethnicity) incompatible with wikipedia's purpose and code of conduct (see above comments).
  Also although Lvivske has only been listed as being notfified of WP:DIGWUREN by me yesterday - he was infact officially warned and notified here. Thus his behaviour in editwarring was in breach of those RFAR remedies after being warned.
  I've erred on the side of caution here only imposing a 72 hour block and officially listing Lvivske on WP:DIGWUREN's list of notified users, however this block does fall in a grey area of ArbCom enforcement of WP:DIGWUREN's discretionary sanctions as Lvivske was previously notified. If another admin feels that this should be reduced, but is concerned about it being an AEBLOCK, I'm happy to discuss this block with them and reduce it if given sound reasoning--Cailil 11:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

• I am not asking for a change or anything but I couldn't help but comment when I saw this. Using a warning from 2 years ago as a reason to block now without warning is a very large stretch. You need to warn users with a recent warning. A two year old warning is stale. -DJSasso (talk) 13:35, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

• Agreed hence my erring on the side of caution with a 72 block for editwarring (which is the reason for blocking) and a 'fresh' and official warning about WP:DIGWUREN. However I've given the full history for anyone who wants/needs it, and as I said I'm more than hapy to discuss--Cailil 13:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

One single revert to remove unsourced WP:OR material does NOT constitute "edit warring" in any sense of the word. It seems you wish there was an edit war to justify your power trip, but it simply didn't pan out like you're describing here. Your condescending, contentious attitude and blatant misuse of sysop powers here are plain as day and I'll be sure to file a real report on your conduct as well. Blocking without warning, inventing an edit war that never occurred, pretending to link to an RS, lying about arbitration findings that were never filed or made. Is this some sort of sick joke?--Львівське (talk) 21:58, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Lvivske you have been warned already with regard to WP:CIVIL. If you cannot abide by wikipedia's code of conduct you will be prevented from breaking it.
Please follow the proceedure laid-out at WP:UNBLOCK if you wish to request a review of this block. Further misuse of the talk space here may result in the revocation of your talk page access--Cailil 23:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)