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:We have a standard template for this, called {{tl|1911}}; since that is the edition of EB actually referenced, it fits the case. (Much of the 11th edition as actually material written for the 9th or 10th.) Most articles on subjects which were adequately covered then could use one. ] <small>]</small> 20:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
:We have a standard template for this, called {{tl|1911}}; since that is the edition of EB actually referenced, it fits the case. (Much of the 11th edition as actually material written for the 9th or 10th.) Most articles on subjects which were adequately covered then could use one. ] <small>]</small> 20:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, I added that, although it looks a bit ugly where I put it.--] (]) 07:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, I added that, although it looks a bit ugly where I put it.--] (]) 07:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
== Leclerc ==
The article said that Shaftesbury had an intellectual friendship with Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon. But this must be wrong, because that Leclerc was eight years old when Shaftesbury died. The reference must be to Jean Leclerc, the editor of a series of annual journals called ''Encyclopédies'', theologian, and editor of the works of Erasmus. Indeed Hans Bots, in the article I have referenced, sets out quite specific interactions between the two.
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I just read this entry all the way through and found it to be delightfully quaint in style. But this raised for me the question of whether it was all actually written by a modern-day Wikipedian, or taken from some old source. I searched for the line "and hence the agreeable feeling with which, notwithstanding all their false taste and their tiresome digressions, they impress the modern reader" in Google books and as you can see, a substantial portion of this article is lifted directly from the 1894 Encyclopedia Britannica.
Now, as this work is clearly long since out of copyright, there is no legal problem here, but there is an ethical problem. While we do have a single footnote to Britannica, to my mind that is not enough. I am unclear at this moment as to what our standard "best practice" is regarding the use of material from old works, so I am not doing anything right away. But soon I think I will add a note saying that much of the article is modified from that work. Is that the right thing to do?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
We have a standard template for this, called {{1911}}; since that is the edition of EB actually referenced, it fits the case. (Much of the 11th edition as actually material written for the 9th or 10th.) Most articles on subjects which were adequately covered then could use one. SeptentrionalisPMAnderson20:24, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
The article said that Shaftesbury had an intellectual friendship with Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon. But this must be wrong, because that Leclerc was eight years old when Shaftesbury died. The reference must be to Jean Leclerc, the editor of a series of annual journals called Encyclopédies, theologian, and editor of the works of Erasmus. Indeed Hans Bots, in the article I have referenced, sets out quite specific interactions between the two.
