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Excuse me, may I ask for advice?

I know you may not be directly concerned with such a matter, but I get lost in the help, and conflict resolution and whatnot pages, so I take it on me to bother one who should know better for direct advice. I have a little dispute about the proper content of Excalibur_(film)#The_Charm_of_Making with user:wrotesolid who keeps pushing nonsense thesis about the actual nature of this particular piece of popular culture, and since it seems I'd be the first to do a 3rd revert, I think I'd better ask for advice concerning the proper channels to solve this conflict. Thanks for your attention --Svartalf (talk) 19:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

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Maps

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Quickfire

Hello, I see that you created the page Quickfire, which I recently "adopted" and expanded in the scope of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Norse history and culture. As I noted in the discussion page there, I wonder if there is a difference between quickfire and a "regular" arson - does piling additional material to set fire to the house have something to do with it ?

It is the first time, in fact, that I encounter this term of "quickfire", and I haven't found it in scientific literature about ancient Scandinavia (whether as "quickfire" or as "kveiking"). Thus, I wanted to know if you could point me to where you found this term. I'm wondering if it wouldn't be best to rename the article to something like "arson in medieval Scandinavia". Thanks in advance, and cheers ! --Alþykkr (talk) 03:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

John Hunyadi

Can you please solve the vandalism problem at this page, user http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Squash_Racket is erasing comments on the discussion page, he violates the facts on the article even if the other concensus is achieved on the discussion page. Can you please check it out, if not, who should i address with this problem? Thank you.188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Iadrian yu (above IP) evades his block he received for edit warring. Squash Racket (talk) 18:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Lol, he follows me. User:Iadrian yu we live in the same city, i am not registered but i am trying to prevent page valdalism after i saw that user banned. Just because we live in the same city means i can`t edit wikipedia? And the fact that http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Squash_Racket is manupilating even the discussion page is outrageous.188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Iadrian yu (above IP) evades his block he received for edit warring.

They live in the same city and happen to edit extremely similarly. Squash Racket (talk) 18:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

It is extremely similarly that we live in the same city? Do you even realize what are you talking about? Lol. After you vandalize the article you are making generalizations now188.2.97.229 (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Case (temporarily) solved. Forget this. Squash Racket (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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Bulgars

hi, i need protection about "Bulgars", the article is under attack by Slavic nationalists. they want to remove all sources in the entrance. thanks for your help.--Finn Diesel (talk) 18:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Britain 500 CE.png

You have forgotten a parenthese in your file : "NEUSTRIA (FRANKS". Dadr (talk) 11:45, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

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Copyvio (no, copy and paste)

Looks to me as though this is yours: . Originally added here . It's caused me quite a bit of work. Dougweller (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Looking again, Hirsch's book is from the Jewish Encyclopedia, so it's just old, possibly out of date, and uncited plagiarism. A harsh word, but I think it's a terrible idea to copy and paste from century old sources even if it is legal. And it reads as though it was written over a century ago too. Dougweller (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Outrageous. Please do your research before you start throwing baseless accusations of plagarism. The article that I formatted clearly states that it comes from the Jewish Encyclopedia. See the bottom: "This article incorporates text from the 1901–1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, a publication now in the public domain." There is even a Misplaced Pages template for this: {{JewishEncyclopedia}} Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 01:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

• A Comment? I think maybe all Doug is saying is that 100 year old sources can be dated or can have difficult prose to interpret...or are wrong?. Its not a copyvio, certainly. But maybe you should ask him what kind of difficulty the source caused him...as in was there parts of the work which was wrong or are really dated today compared to 1906? Historical interpretations do change over time. I'm sorry but I don't edit much here on wiki nowadays as I'm usually at Commons where I'm a trusted user there. Misplaced Pages can be very "hard on one's health" with all the edit wars and sockpuppetry. I edit generally on Ancient Egypt which most people ignore. Thank You sir, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm more or less done with WP myself, but do not tolerate accusations of copyvio when I have clearly followed established WP guidelines. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 01:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Which is why I made the 2nd post. Clearly to my mind would be a template at the top of the page where people would be more likely to see it, preferably suggesting that editors might want to make the prose readable, find more modern sources, etc. Yes, you've technically followed our guidelines, but it would be a better article if it was not just copy and paste. As it stands it could never be a Featured Article without being completely rewritten. Dougweller (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

That's fine. I never said it should be a Featured Article. Any article ported over from JE is necessarily a placeholder. If you want to improve it and get it to FA status, more power to you. But I will react very harshly and strongly to accusations of malfeasance, especially plagiarism. Your second post, which you continue to cite to vindicate yourself, accused me of exactly that. A simple apology (which you have yet to supply), rather than harping on issues nobody is arguing about, would suffice. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I apologise for the plagiarism accusation - (let me point out that by 'uncited' I mean no inline citations in the JE stuff) but I still think a stub is better than this sort of thing. I think if you'd spent a few minutes smoothing out the prose to make it more readable, cutting some of it perhaps, it would have been better. Dougweller (talk) 17:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I accept your apology, and encourage you to be more careful about using that word in the future. As for the rest, (1) I like the prose, (2) the article was in the public domain, and (3) I have no interest in improving it further. I think the idea that a stub would be preferable is laughable. You are free to make whatever changes you feel are appropriate. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LIV (August 2010)

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Consensus on 'Controversy' section of 13th tribe

So Brain, How do you propose we arrive at a consensus on the perceived bias and impartiality of the 'Controversy' section of 13th tribe?Mystichumwipe (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Source for Viking expansion map?

Hi! I believe you made the first version of the File:Viking expansion.png map. Do you remember what source it is based on? Kindly Mange01 (talk) 09:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Main page appearance

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The Kylfings were a people of uncertain origin who were active in Northern Europe during the Viking Age. They were active from roughly the late ninth century through the early twelfth century and could be found in areas of Lapland, Russia, and the Byzantine Empire that were frequented by Scandinavian traders, raiders and mercenaries. Scholars differ on whether the Kylfings were ethnically Finnic or Norse. Their geographic origin is also disputed; Denmark, Sweden and the Eastern Baltic are put forward as candidates. Whether the name Kylfing denotes a particular tribal, socio-political, or economic grouping is a matter of much debate. They are mentioned on Old Norse runestone inscriptions, sagas, and poetry, as well as Byzantine records and Rus' law-codes, in which they were afforded significant economic and social privileges. According to the sagas, the Kylfings opposed the consolidation of Norway under Harald Fairhair and participated in the pivotal Battle of Hafrsfjord. After Harald's victory in that battle, they are described in the sagas as having raided in Finnmark and elsewhere in northern Norway and having fought against Harald's lieutenants such as Thorolf Kveldulfsson. (more...)

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Horagalles and Tiermes

I just rewrote both these articles that you created, and I have proposed merging Tiermes into Horagalles. The discussion is set up to happen at Talk:Horagalles#Proposed merger. I see from your user page that you are basically inactive, but in case you should see this, I would welcome your input. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:50, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Habbani Jews

Hi. I'm trying to remove the picture of king Abdullah from the article "Habbani Jews". The picture depicts king Adbullah with his bedouin (muslim) servants. The source of this picture is: http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/HU034170/ruler-of-kerak-with-servants?popup=1

From there it was downloaded by "grandmaster Yehoshua Sofer" and used to promote his new fantastic family history: http://www.abirwarriorarts.com/gallery2/v/movies/Abir_Qesheth_Hebrew_Warrior_Arts.html

The people on the picture are not Habbani Jews. Please help me to stop this revisionism. (Rider In The Storm (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2011 (UTC))

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