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Self-explanatory: people who don't get the meaning of "history" when compared to "current events." Care to weigh in? History of Montana#Recent trends and Talk:History of Montana. Medicinal pot "historic?" Montanabw 06:39, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

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Red herring

On your close at Las Vegas you wrote, "...current title does no harm to WP". That true, but I suggest that's a red herring. I mean, does any title do any "harm to WP"? If a title had to do harm before it could be changed, then it seems to me we'd never move anything. That's why I say this is something of a red herring comment, and not helpful. Since the statement is probably true at every move proposal, and therefore pointless, you might consider not using it again. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not challenging the close; I'm challenging the statement. I don't think you looked at the situation very carefully, and this is revealed by this statement regarding harmful titles, which indicates a sloppy evaluation. I challenge you to show me a title (or actual proposed title) that does harm to WP (I agree some AfDs can harm WP). There might be a harmful title in theory, but I've never actually seen one, and I bet you never have either, which is the point. --Born2cycle (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Your closure of RW at Honor killing of Sadia Sheikh

See Talk:Honor killing of Sadia Sheikh: you seem to have overlooked a key factor in the appeals to RS Kevin McE (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

On the basis that consensus is not a vote (and therefore lack of consensus is not necessarily present where there is lack of unanimity), I would at a minimum ask that the balance of weight of arguments is considered, and if several people have simply echoed an undefended reason for maintaining the article at the present location, that this is simply considered on the basis of being one opinion. Personally, I do not think that the inverted commas/scare quotes issue can be simply ignored: if important media sources will not use the phrase without such qualification, neither should we. I would suggest that the discussion be re-opened and, if necessary, brought to wider attention: if not, I would suggest that the principle of concise and uncontroversial naming would dictate that the article in question, and others that have been brought up in the discussion, should be moved to Killing of ... or Murder of .... I would point out that a current ITN candidate is Murder of Stephen Lawrence, not Racist murder of Stephen Lawrence, although coroner's inquiry and a recently concluded court case make it very clear that such a qualifier could be used. Kevin McE (talk) 10:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Las Vegas Requested Move

I believe a consensus was reached on the latest move request for Las Vegas. Although not all users agree, the majority did support the move. Please reconsider and look at the arguments once more. Frischee113 (talk) 01:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)Frischee113

I just saw this. As stated above, I thought the statement about harmful titles indicated a sloppy evaluation, but I did not realize that a majority supported the move. Still, what matters is the quality of the arguments, and Mike did not address this at all in his closing statement. The lack of harm by the current title, which he did note, is a completely irrelevant red herring, since, in practice, there is no such thing as harmful title, and so a title not being harmful should not be a characteristic of significance in evaluating an RM proposal.

So, we're essentially left with an unexplained close which was supported by the majority. Disappointing. --Born2cycle (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

it really is the end of the world. Stock up on canned goods.MONGO 14:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

If you're around...

Want to help de-escalate this before it hits the drama boards and wastes all of our time? Franamax is on it, but FYI as you have the history. Misplaced Pages:ANI#I_was_referred_here_by_Calabe, User_talk:Franamax#Thank_you_for_your_time, User_talk:Soglad_Tomeetyou#Your_HelpDesk_query_.2F_ANI_report and User_talk:Montanabw#I_was_referred_to_WP:ANI_by_Calabe (and the rest of my talk page, for that matter? What is going on, is it Pick on Montanabw week or something?) Montanabw 18:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Google search

Can you type "Kurdish - Turkish conflict" into Google search box and tell me how many results do you get? Kavas (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Move request for Quebec comics

Sorry, I didn't realize the move request was still open for Quebec comics. If you look, you'll see I actually did a few days ago exactly what you just told me I should, based on the discussion both on the move request page and the talk page there. User:Anthony Appleyard disagrees with this, however, and there is a discussion surrounding the issue regarding Canadian comics.

Just for the record, I normally do just edit the page as it is, bu in the cases of Canadian comics and Quebec comics, the articles were so thin and disorganized that merely "fixing" them seemed like a lot more work than just starting again from scratch. I couldn't find any guideline written anywhere that made it explicit that it was okay to just copy & paste the new article over the old. If it had said so clearly somewhere, then that's exactly what I would have done with Canadian comics, and is now what I've done with Quebec comics. There doesn't seem to be consensus that that is actually the policy, though, thus the discussion over Canadian comics. CüRlyTüRkey_Contribs 00:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re Kurdish-Turkish conflict move

Khutuck, it is unfortunate you did not weigh-in on this move during the nearly 6 weeks it was open. Merely saying the move should be reverted isn't going to work. If you sincerely believe the name should be changed, you are free to open an RM with the desired name. RMs are not binding, and any discussion aimed at reaching a better consensus is good. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mike Cline. I'm sorry I was late for the discussion, I was working on Turkish wikipedia. I'm planning to make an RM soon, as the current name of the article does not reflect the conflict's nature.

The armed conflict covered in this article is between Turkish state (Turkish army, police and gendarmeire) and Kurdish group PKK and its affliates (KCK, PJK, PJAK); so it is completely wrong to name the article as "Kurdish-Turkish conflict", as Kermanshahi requested. Article does not mention any historical Kurdish uprisings (you can see them in Kurdish rebellions page), it only focuses on the "PKK vs Turkey" conflict. There were quite numerous Kurdish uprisings for the past two centuries, which can be seen at Kurdish rebellions page already. "Kurdish-Turkish conflict" should be a redirect to Kurdish rebellions page.

There is a Kurdish-Turkish conflict, I totally agree; but it is not limited to PKK-Turkey conflict. We should keep this article's scope to only reflect "PKK vs Turkey", and keep the overall Kurdish-Turkish conflict in rebellions article. Also, redirects such as "Kurdish uprising" should be directed to "Kurdish rebellions" article, and PKK-Turkey conflict should also be a subtopic of this new article.

I'll keep you informed for the RM. Thanks for your message, have a nice day :) --Khutuck (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN mention

You were mentioned in a discussion at WP:AN; Misplaced Pages:AN#Should_editors_be_discouraged_from_asking_admins_to_justify_their_actions.3F --Born2cycle (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Mass move

In my book, two comments does not make a lack of consensus, particularly when one of the comments was by an IP editor with no other edits anywhere. The fact that only one actual regular editor commented does not mean the discussion should have been closed. I would like if you relisted it or made it so it had a wider audience.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

In this case you didn't write the book, I did. No one supported the moves in the discussion and two opposed it, with reasonably sound arguments. Two opposes, good arguments against and no one other than the nominator supporting the move equals No consensus in the discussion. You are always free to initiate another RM if you think there is support for your proposed move. --Mike Cline (talk) 01:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

There was zero input aside from one person because an administrator like yourself should know to not count an argument from someone with zero prior edits. And Powergate92 referred to the last discussion, which was also him just arguing with me one on one. I want a wider audience on this shit because one proposal and one actual editor not agreeing with the proposal based on a discussion from a year ago does not make a consensus either way according to any sort of common sense.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate salmon flies

Thanks Mike. I didn't know that — the lists seemed to serve separate purposes. MistyMorn (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I feel it might be helpful to provide clearer pointers in the ledes to let readers know how the three lists have been arranged. When I came to the Bibliography of fly fishing page, I couldn't see anything to tell me that this wasn't the main list of 'historical' works. While adding in the old man's tome, I did actually stumble upon it in Bibliography of fly fishing (fly tying, stories, fiction). Being a notable 19th century work, I was slightly surprised to find it there, although I can certainly see why some of it could end up on the fiction shelf... My two flying cents, MistyMorn (talk) 10:16, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Mike - I'm giving the question some thought. MistyMorn (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

A poor cast, I fear... You'll probably want to correct. Regards, MistyMorn (talk) 14:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

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My statement to Elen of the Roads (talk · contribs) about our dispute regarding WT:AT recognizability was so long I put it in a separate file, User:Born2cycle/DearElen. If you have a chance to look it over, and let me know if you find any inaccuracies or other problems with it, I would appreciate it. If you don't mind, please leave comments about it at User talk:Born2cycle/DearElen. Thanks! --Born2cycle (talk) 19:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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