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| *'''Delete''' I'm usually quite quick to censure TPH in such cases so it seems only fair to get in his corner when he has a point. As the nomination points out, there doesn't seem to be much on Google News or Google Books for this band, and so ] has been followed. And, as they've been around for some years, the lack of book coverage indicates that they haven't really made it. The existence of album articles doesn't help because that seems to be just more of the same - unsupported fanac. And inter-wikilinks aren't much better because Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. ] (]) 15:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' I'm usually quite quick to censure TPH in such cases so it seems only fair to get in his corner when he has a point. As the nomination points out, there doesn't seem to be much on Google News or Google Books for this band, and so ] has been followed. And, as they've been around for some years, the lack of book coverage indicates that they haven't really made it. The existence of album articles doesn't help because that seems to be just more of the same - unsupported fanac. And inter-wikilinks aren't much better because Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. ] (]) 15:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :: I get plenty of hits on Google News and Google Books. Because "Wizard" is such a generic term none of the top results are relevant, however. This does not mean there are no sources there. You also imply that Google Books and Google News are appropriate search engines for finding sources about bands, which sounds like a doubtful claim at best. A quick look on reveals they have a decent amount of listeners and are in the line-up of ]. There are probably sources in more specialized publications. —'']'' 16:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | :: I get plenty of hits on Google News and Google Books. Because "Wizard" is such a generic term none of the top results are relevant, however. This does not mean there are no sources there. You also imply that Google Books and Google News are appropriate search engines for finding sources about bands, which sounds like a doubtful claim at best. A quick look on reveals they have a decent amount of listeners and are in the line-up of ]. There are probably sources in more specialized publications. —'']'' 16:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :::* One obviously has to use other keywords besides the word ''wizard'' and I used the name of the founder. For comparison, if one searches using the words ''] ]'', you get about 800 hits. last.fm doesn't cut it as a source because it seems to be edited by its readership, like Misplaced Pages, and its content just seems to say "1. A German heavy metal band." That's barely enough to support a mention in ], which does not currently include this one. ] (]) 17:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| *So you think "keep" just because the ALBUMS have articles? Maybe they're not notable either. Because PROBABLY there are sources? Don't be stupid. I searched for "Wizard" + the name of various band members and found absolutely nothing. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>(])</sup> 17:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | *So you think "keep" just because the ALBUMS have articles? Maybe they're not notable either. Because PROBABLY there are sources? Don't be stupid. I searched for "Wizard" + the name of various band members and found absolutely nothing. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>(])</sup> 17:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | ||
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Deprodded without comment. No non-trivial sources found. Nothing on Gnews or Gbooks at all. Ten Pound Hammer • 02:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- The band has articles on 8 wikis, that would be highly unusual for a non-notable band. I am sure they are frequently covered in the major metal news sources, which I avoid at all costs usually.--Milowent • 02:54, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Nine albums, five of which also have :en:WP articles? Now the current state for sourcing might be poor, but the nominator is going to need to show better evidence than merely wikt:whining about their prod being removed before they make a credible nomination for deletion. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, did you not see the thing about "no sources"? In case you missed it, I FOUND NO SOURCES. Ten Pound Hammer • 17:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:BEFORE. Eight interwiki links and five albums with individual articles. Nominator has a pretty bad track record when it comes to trying to find sources before nominating articles for deletion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/ICCF Finland), so I'm not going to trust him on that. —Ruud 12:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Delete I'm usually quite quick to censure TPH in such cases so it seems only fair to get in his corner when he has a point. As the nomination points out, there doesn't seem to be much on Google News or Google Books for this band, and so WP:BEFORE has been followed. And, as they've been around for some years, the lack of book coverage indicates that they haven't really made it. The existence of album articles doesn't help because that seems to be just more of the same - unsupported fanac. And inter-wikilinks aren't much better because Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. Warden (talk) 15:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- I get plenty of hits on Google News and Google Books. Because "Wizard" is such a generic term none of the top results are relevant, however. This does not mean there are no sources there. You also imply that Google Books and Google News are appropriate search engines for finding sources about bands, which sounds like a doubtful claim at best. A quick look on their last.fm profile reveals they have a decent amount of listeners and are in the line-up of Hammerfest. There are probably sources in more specialized publications. —Ruud 16:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- One obviously has to use other keywords besides the word wizard and I used the name of the founder. For comparison, if one searches Google Books using the words Wizzard Roy Wood, you get about 800 hits. last.fm doesn't cut it as a source because it seems to be edited by its readership, like Misplaced Pages, and its content just seems to say "1. A German heavy metal band." That's barely enough to support a mention in List of heavy metal bands, which does not currently include this one. Warden (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- I get plenty of hits on Google News and Google Books. Because "Wizard" is such a generic term none of the top results are relevant, however. This does not mean there are no sources there. You also imply that Google Books and Google News are appropriate search engines for finding sources about bands, which sounds like a doubtful claim at best. A quick look on their last.fm profile reveals they have a decent amount of listeners and are in the line-up of Hammerfest. There are probably sources in more specialized publications. —Ruud 16:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- So you think "keep" just because the ALBUMS have articles? Maybe they're not notable either. Because PROBABLY there are sources? Don't be stupid. I searched for "Wizard" + the name of various band members and found absolutely nothing. Ten Pound Hammer • 17:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)