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== <Insert the case name> == == Magog the Ogre refusal to follow policy ==
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Harassment by Sock and Co.

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Nangaphobia Sad to see users supporting and glorifying a banned sock just to harass you. Admin shopping has begun]] on Salvio's page against you, please keep your cool, regards. --DBigXray 10:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

You may be acquainted with this gentleman Special:Contributions/86.166.57.203 Ankh.Morpork 21:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Already tagged him :o) Twice in one day, he never gives up. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Kashmir separatist movement

How long shall this continue? If this TfD also closed as no consensus or anything like that, I think we should go to WP:DRN or open a WP:RfC. What say? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 12:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

It would have to be an RFC first, DRN board is a waste of time. Darkness Shines (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Hope that will be not needed, the AfD will rub it on its own. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 14:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For your tireless and continuous work against POV pushers and those who are here only to add certain viewpoints. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ 16:34, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, life would be a great deal easier should people actually live by NPOV and not just push one. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Issues raised about Rape in Pakistan at WT:DYK

Hi Darkness Shines: Letting you know that I've pulled the hook from the queue and reopened the nomination for further discussion since issues have been raised about it, including by the reviewer. Sorry, hope you are still online to respond. I noted you adding another reference just now. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

The source is fine, I have added another hook. Please let me know if i have done it correctly. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I added a URL to the reference (managed to get the right snippet in the window! yay!), tweaked your suggested new hook, labeled it ALT1 and dropped it to the end. I'm hoping this can be hashed out at the nomination template so it can get passed again; let me encourage you to watch and respond there. I have to go offline to sleep soon, and in any event I may have interfered enough here '-) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you for POV-pushing. Given your history , you know better. The edit in question that pushed it over the line is this: . The other edit listed on my talk page also played a minor part. Please take a week off to consider your editing style. Hopefully, after your unblock requests have been denied, maybe you will take heart the fact that the problem is with you, not with me (as if common sense couldn't have told you that before, me residing 15000 miles away from this conflict, both physically and metaphorically); you can yell and scream all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you've continually been POV-pushing across articles, and you know darned well what you're doing. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:41, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Has no place here
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Can you specify which other edit you are referring to and your objection towards it. Also, your recognition that your interaction with DS has previously been perceived as personal requires reconciliation with "Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors)". Ankh.Morpork 22:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I was about to come and ask you (DS) why I shouldn't immediately block you for the same edit (which I've just reverted), but I see Magog has already taken care of the problem. There is no ignorance to plead here--this is obviously a highly biased statement, and you know it. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:34, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
@Morporok - I have no involvement in this dispute - I rarely go anywhere near it, and I have 0% ethnicity in the area, and frankly I do not care a bit about the dispute either. DS's claim of my "involvement" stems so far as I, acting in my administrative capacity, have routinely called him out for his misbehavior, and he thinks I am unfairly biased to him. I am not. When going before a court of law, one cannot raise a ruckus about how unfair the judge is, then claim the judge has no right to hear the case because, by very nature of said complaint, the well is now poisoned and the judge is (apparently) now more likely to be biased. QED: I am uninvolved. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I understand that this is chapter 11 of volume 3 of an ongoing saga and my comments were made without familiarization with editorial history. Thank you for clarifying your lack of involvement in this topic area. Ankh.Morpork 23:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
While I agree that having previously blocked an editor does not make that administrator involved, but looking over Darkness Shines's block log it appears that Magog the Ogre has blocked DS quite a few times. Magog the Ogre, do you think it might have been a good idea to get a second opinion or post to AN/I in this case? Tiptoety 04:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Go ahead and review it if you'd like. Having previously blocked an editor does not mean I cannot make a block again. And the fact that Darkness Shines continues to ludicrously claim that I am biased in the issue ought to deter no one. Anyone who has followed this dispute from a neutral perspective knows I've handled it both neutrally and fairly. I will not let someone continue to flagrantly disregard policy and then try to get away with it simply by calling my administrator credentials into question. FYI, all of this could have been avoided if you'd accepted the ArbCom case as I'd recommended a while back. Magog the Ogre (talk) 04:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
On a side note I am only a lowly ArbCom clerk, not an Arbitrator. :-) Tiptoety 04:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Consider the block reviewed by me too - it was unquestionably correct, and Magog is not WP:INVOLVED. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
The block may or may not be correct in this case. But per WP:INVOLVED ("... involved administrators may have, or may be seen as having, a conflict of interest in disputes they have been a party to or have strong feelings about.") Magog is involved and should have let this be decided by someone else. JCAla (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, I didn't really see Magog as having strong feelings about anything other than tackling a long-standing problem with POV-pushers from an admin standpoint. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Magog does have strong negative feelings (including about me ;-)). These have been reflected in what has been perceived by many editors as unbalanced decisions. He may or may not be a good admin in regards to wikicommons, etc. But in this content area and with these specific editors he has allowed himself to become emotionally involved. Given that many editors share this opinion, and there are diffs to back that up, he should simply leave these issues to be decided by other admins. And there are enough qualified admins around, right?! JCAla (talk) 10:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Well, if there's bad feelings between the two of you, then I'm not going to get involved in that. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:53, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Darkness Shines (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

Adding academically sourced content is not a blockable offence. And why am I being blocked by an involved admin who voted to have me banned from wikipedia? I request I be unblocked as I have not broken any policy's. If academic sources say G-B is occupied then so should the article we have on it, and no I did not think it that contentious given the source used. Darkness Shines (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The block appears fully justified to me. Nick-D (talk) 09:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


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{ Hi Darkness Shines. As your unblock request stands now, it is likely to be quickly declined as it does not really appear to be a request. Instead it looks like more of a question directed at the blocking administrator. I'd be happy to review your case if you would present a reason based in policy as to why you should be unblocked. Thanks, Tiptoety 03:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Well I have though I know it to ba an entire waste of time. I have broken no policies here but again get blocked by an admin so heavily involved it is beyond parody. I am going to work. Darkness Shines (talk) 04:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
You made a blatantly POV edit, and you know you did - your current block is fully justified. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
So? You think it POV, it is sourced to the academic press, go complain to them about it. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Unblock II

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Darkness Shines (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

This block is a gross violation of policy. There is nothing in WP:BLOCK which says an editor may be blocked for adding academically sourced content to an article. It does not matter if the edit is viewed as contentious or not, it is reliably sourced and falls within policy. Per WP:BLOCK#DETERRENT # prevent imminent or continuing damage and disruption to Misplaced Pages; # deter the continuation of present, disruptive behavior, and, # encourage a more productive, congenial editing style within community norms. I do not see any reason there for this block, or does the heavily involved admin who was asked to comment on a content dispute believe that adding academic sources meets any of the above reasons for a block? There are no reasons within policy for this block. There is a reason within policy for it to be lifted, and that is the block was issued by an admin who only a week ago was demanding I be banned from editing, WP:INVOLVED is quite clear on this "Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors)," I have brought him to ANI and he has asked ofr me to be banned. He is fully involved and this block is a violation of that policy. Adding academic content to an article is neither disruptive nor is it pushing a POV, it is stating the facts. I must insist I be unblocked wit ha not in the unblock that this was a very bad block. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

As is the general consensus of the discussion that you have hatted, above (and which contains your first declined unblock request), you made blatant POV changes - and cherry-picking sources that support your preferred POV does not change that. It was a good block. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:19, 29 June 2012 (UTC)


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Unblock III

This user is asking that their block be reviewed:

Darkness Shines (block logactive blocksglobal blockscontribsdeleted contribsfilter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


Request reason:

This block is a gross violation of policy. There is nothing in WP:BLOCK which says an editor may be blocked for adding academically sourced content to an article. It does not matter if the edit is viewed as contentious or not, it is reliably sourced and falls within policy. Per WP:BLOCK#DETERRENT # prevent imminent or continuing damage and disruption to Misplaced Pages; # deter the continuation of present, disruptive behavior, and, # encourage a more productive, congenial editing style within community norms. I do not see any reason there for this block, or does the heavily involved admin who was asked to comment on a content dispute believe that adding academic sources meets any of the above reasons for a block? There are no reasons within policy for this block. There is a reason within policy for it to be lifted, and that is the block was issued by an admin who only a week ago was demanding I be banned from editing, WP:INVOLVED is quite clear on this "Involvement is generally construed very broadly by the community, to include current or past conflicts with an editor (or editors)," I have brought him to ANI and he has asked ofr me to be banned. He is fully involved and this block is a violation of that policy. Adding academic content to an article is neither disruptive nor is it pushing a POV, it is stating the facts. Re BSZ refusal, I did not cherry pick a source at all, I came across that whilst researching for something else. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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Prepare for arbitration

Magog the Ogre refusal to follow policy

Initiated by Darkness Shines (talk) at 13:38, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

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