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DotConnectAfrica editing

I believe I have just watched a master class in Misplaced Pages editing. I have certainly learned a lot, though admittedly have had to broaden my vocabulary to include "tangential" and "puffery"! Working through your edits alongside Misplaced Pages's Policies and Essays has fast tracked my understanding of how Misplaced Pages works. I am looking forward to deepening my understanding and improving my skills as an editor.

Thank you. Elekebia (talk) 23:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you too, it's been fascinating. Now let's see how long we can hold on to it!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

It's all back, predictably. I've reverted. What sort of warning would apply here? Many thanks. --Elekebia (talk) 15:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Your edit summary was good. As long as you and I agree, one editor can't maintain a version by reverting without breaking the WP:3RR rule. That'll force them into discussing it on the talk page unless they want to get blocked for reverting too often.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

4th revert just landed with no summary. I am not sure what to do now as I cannot revert without breaking the 3RR. I am extremely grateful for your guidance. Elekebia (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I made the comment on that awkward "DotConnectAfrica" page about "ICANN stated..." etc. Pure guess work on my part. I don't think ICANN would comment on an application that is likely to be contentious, particularly as ICANN staff would be very aware of the history around .africa. My guess is the journalist inferred there is only on applicant from the database ICANN presented. Or someone other than ICANN told them. I am guessing, you were referring to a source. I'll shut up and leave it to the experts called on! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.184.238.107 (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Prince Victor of Thurn and Taxis

Hello Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Prince Victor of Thurn and Taxis, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article has been edited since it was tagged and is no longer a copyvio. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 03:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

If you interested

I can provide you access to to all the resources about the book that I found.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 12:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I have JSTOR access and seem to be able to get most of them so far. I'll let you know if there are any I can't find.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For your excellent work on DotConnectAfrica, thank you very much! :) Fayedizard (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Unrecognised Bedouin villages

I haven't had a proper look for a Hebrew list yet, but this map seems to show all of them (and the regional council boundaries, which could be a useful tool for separating them into geographic groups on a template or list).

Also, I notice you're doing a lot of work on Israeli settlements and places in Israel - I'm not sure many talk pages are being watched, but I'd be happy to discuss any queries you have (particularly if it's an article I created, which is quite of few of them). I translated a lot of them from the Hebrew wiki, so can go back and look there. Number 57 10:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I did find that map, but I can't actually read the names from it clearly enough to feel comfortable making a list out of it (it may be my eyesight that's the problem). If you could find something in Hebrew, that'd be lovely and helpful. About the settlements; thanks for the offer. I'll ping you at the same time I put anything on talk pages if I have questions.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is better resolution I think --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 16:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

That one won't display on my browser. Hmm.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:54, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Maybe try to use save link as--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 16:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you, I didn't even think of that. Now, the map says that the blue dots are "unrecognized Arab villages" and that there are 45 of them. How to tell if these are all Bedouin villages? There seems to be some confusion in the article over the number of Bedouin villages. They say between 39 and 45. I'm guessing that the confusion arises because this map doesn't say that all unrecognized villages are Bedouin. Do you have information about this?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

From my knowledge there is no non-Bedouin unrecognized villages maybe the difference is because some of them were destroyed(that my speculation) --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your help. I'll try to write down the names from the map and then go to an actual library to see if I can find non-internet sources to check the names against, since the internet doesn't seem to be helping so much. I'll check any conclusions I come up with with you and Number 57 to see if I'm on the right track.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Page 59 of this document has a list, complete with populations. Note that some of those have since been recognised (e.g. Umm Batin and Qasr al-Sir). It's also badly spelt (e.g. Amm rather than Umm etc). The last page of this document has a map, so from that we can find them on Google maps and get co-ordinates. Number 57 17:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

When you have time, maybe one or both of you could look at this: User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah/Negev Bedouin communities and let me know what you think about anything? I had to disambiguate a few of the unrecognized villages, which I did in the draft with XXXXX (Bedouin village). I don't know if this is reasonable or not. I'm worried about spelling, capitalization, and so forth. Also, the map had Ar'ara as a town. I think that this must be either wrong or another name for Ar'arat an-Naqab, which seems to be in the same place. That makes me worry about the accuracy of the other names. I haven't collated this with the jpeg map at all yet; they seem to be inconsistent with one another.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:42, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Ar'ara and Ar'arat an-Naqab are the same place (it was given a disambiguator of "in the Negev" as there's another Ar'ara in the north of the country). I've made some additions to the template and corrected some spellings. I agree that inconsistency is a problem though. Number 57 21:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help and advice. I think I'll take a few days at least to look for other sources and figure out what to do about inconsistencies before moving it into reality.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

P.Oxy.

Thanks for your support. Do you know if the other papyri from the old G&H volumes will have articles created? There are a lot of red links in the templates. Not sure how easy it is to do. I can't copy from GoogleBooks all that easily; the latest volume (6) in the template is from 1908 so it's probably out of copyright by this point...--FeanorStar7 (talk) 17:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

It's not that hard to do. I made this: User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah/p.oxy.vol.II.format to fill in the blanks from. It seems that Leszek has moved on to other things for now, and I stalled out because the next one in volume II is massively complicated. When I get around to it again I'll probably skip that one and do the rest of volume II. Although if you want to do a few, it's really not so hard. Of course feel free to use my outline.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit at Palestinian People

Hi, I have the book by Dr. Tessler. He takes care to present both sides version of events, and then tries to find a middle point. The part that is quoted on the Palestinian article is an except of the "Palestinian side", not his own voice. The article is presenting it like it is his own opinion, which seems wrong. It isn't vandalism. 218.250.106.165 (talk) 04:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, sorry. I'm going to move this to the article talk page, OK? I reverted my revert.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:29, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hijab section and persoanlising language

Why are you so desperate to include this section and why are you so desperate to go personal at the first opportunity in the discussion on the topic also why are you desperate to impose your own section when clearly you know the discussion is ongoing and the section is disputed. you clearly believe you are right but that is not a constructive way to behave on Misplaced Pages no matter how established you are or how established other users are. Demanding Policies be produced is confrontational and not conducive to a collaborative way of working on Misplaced Pages. Please consider being a more civil and constructive editor than the current behaviour you are exhibiting is displaying.

You are entitled to disagree with the above comments that is your prerogative, but also consider if you should behave in a way which is more polite and less confrontational.

Sport and politics (talk) 00:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're talking about. How did you come to the conclusion that I am "desperate to go personal"?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

In the second comment you on the section you start going personal by stsating "Why don't you try assuming good faith of a respected and established editor?" It shows a level of desperate personalising in your editing. To attack an editor for not "assuming good faith" and calling the other person "a respected and established editor" implies the user is a dishonest editor who goes out to be disruptive and that they are not "respected". Please refrain from that kind of language. Sport and politics (talk) 00:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:58, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I take it very seriously when attacks on my character are made and the content is being diverted from by the making of personal comments. Talk pages of articles are only for discussing content not individual users. If you cannot see that you have gone personal then there needs to be a serious revision of the behaviour you exhibit when editing. If you cannot avoid saying something directly personal about an editor, only say it on their talk page do not say it on the article talk page. Sport and politics (talk) 01:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I guess you really are serious.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics

Hello. I wanted to let you know that I restored a tag you removed because the issue was not rectified. --Nouniquenames (talk) 06:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the ce

you're doing there. I actually had the page open for two hours and radically shifted round stuff, while adding some new sources, and when I saw your work, decided for my own life to scat. When you've finished drop me a note and I'll add a few things. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 19:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, sorry to get in your way. I should be about another 15 minutes or so.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again. Any book I read has a backleaf with 'errata' on it. I'm stuff if I know why I can't spot the same things on screen. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It's really hard to spot one's own errors, in books as well as on screen. You know what you want to say, so it's hard to see what's actually there. It happens to me all the time. Keep up the good work!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Thanks for supporting me. Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 14:29, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Great idea with going ahead and writing an article on Gyppo logger, excellent work! — Cirt (talk) 16:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes! Excellent! And there was I, suggesting that we'd never have an article on the subject. . That'll learn me. ;-) AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Gyppo

Hiya. I've got the two primary IWW newspapers on microfilm for the 1910s and 1920s, so if you ever spot a date reference for a cartoon, let me know and I'll take a photograph and run it up on WP. I always thought the term meant a "non-union, small company logger" rather than one who works on a piece-work basis. I'm not sure how you'd pay a logger by piecework in any event. The Kesey novel Sometimes a Great Notion is about gyppos, for what it's worth. I'll see if I can work up an in-link for you there... I actually dropped $50 on a paperback copy of the monograph of the LLLL (a tough book to find) but I think I sent it downtown to my book shelves there, so I can't pull it and look anything up for you immediately. I'll try to remember to do that Friday. best, —Tim //// MutantPop@aol.com //// Carrite (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll try to get a date for you. I thought that that's what gyppo loggers were too, but it turned out that in the early days they were strikebreakers. The piecework thing seems to mean that they paid them by the job. That is, they'd offer a crew or someone who could get a crew up a flat rate to stack a pile of logs, or to get a certain number of logs planked out, or whatever. I'm thinking about how to make that clear in the article.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, none of the sources I've found so far mention a date, although one mentions a specific editorial called "The Gypsy's Warning" from the Industrial Worker. I don't know how well indexed the issues are, though. I imagine that July 28, 1917 would be a good place to look, because of this. If you're not up for this I know microfilms are available at libraries around here. Thanks again for your help.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you for your addition to Regional vocabularies of American English. It is so refreshing to see an addition that cites a relevant and straight-forward source on language usage, as opposed to an editor's own experience or intuition. Thanks, really. Cnilep (talk) 05:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! I can only imagine the kind of crap that page must attract. (Well, imagine and look through the history).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:35, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Foxy Brown's age

Foxy Brown states in her song "I Don't Need Nobody" that she was born in 1978 (listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfUlZ7FCGCk), NOT 1979. Her correct birth date is listed in her police report: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0216072foxy2.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvinrashad (talk • contribs) 04:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, that's cool. I'm sorry for the trouble. I was chasing a random date changing vandal and pulled the trigger too quickly. I'll be more careful in the future.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Dead link

The link in this edit is not working.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 15:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

How's that? Those newsbank articles are very tricky to link to without requiring an account for some reason. Thanks for the heads-up.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

a makeshift barnstar

	a martian landing site barnstar
	honestly, while I might not share your POV entirely, I feel your impact on discussion and development of Rachel Corrie is a net positive. keep up the good work! AgadaUrbanit (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)