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The article lists no references or sources, since December 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stybn (talk • contribs)

Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Northamerica1000 13:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete. No potential sources, looks like original research to me. --Koui² (talk) 12:23, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
• Redirect to Processed cheese. No sources, smells like cheeseoriginal research. See Sprout crumble. --Ritchie333 14:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment - there is a product called "pizza cheese" sold in Japan. As can be seen there is an interwiki link at the bottom of the page. I don't know if that is really much of an argument for keeping the article. JoshuSasori (talk) 12:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

• • Keep Strong Keep – per WP:NRVE, because topic notability is based upon the availability of significant coverage in reliable sources, rather than whether or not sources are present in articles. Also, it passes WP:GNG; the specific topic of pizza cheese has received a considerable amount of press.

• Sources include, but are not limited to: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . Northamerica1000 12:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• I've had a look through those sources, and I don't think any of them sustain the notability of this article's subject. They've got the phrase "pizza cheese" in them, but they don't talk about "pizza cheese" as a concept. In fact, it looks like all you've done is a news search for "pizza cheese" and linked the first 15 results. This doesn't change my opinion to redirect. --Ritchie333 14:37, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Did you access all of the paywalled sources, and read the entire articles? Northamerica1000 15:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• I read everything I could, and came to the same conclusions as Purplebackpack89 below. But it's up to everyone to agree on a consensus as to whether sources establish notability, not on me to prove they don't. --Ritchie333 15:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment – The article has been improved and sources have been added. Northamerica1000 13:46, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment - The "sources" you added are one source that mentions, but seemingly does not discuss, "pizza cheese". - SummerPhD (talk) 15:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
• Redirect: Pizza cheese isn't independently notable of the pizza it's on. Nor is it really independently notable of the various types and brands of pizza cheese either pbp 15:18, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
• Redirect to Pizza.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 15:44, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment – More sources:

• Significant coverage: Technology of Cheesemaking - Google Books
• Significant coverage: Kindstedt, P.S. "Recent developments in the science and technology of pizza cheese". Australian journal of dairy technology. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• Significant coverage: Reinbold ; et al. (April 18, 1978). "Preparation of Pizza Cheese". United States Patent and Trademark Office. Retrieved September 27, 2012. {{cite web}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help)
• Significant coverage: Quarne, E.L. (April 1968). "Recovery of Milk Solids in Direct Acidification and Traditional Procedures of Manufacturing Pizza Cheese". Volume 51, Issue 4. Journal of Dairy Science. pp. 527–530. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• Significant coverage: "Effect of incorporation of denatured whey proteins on chemical composition and functionality of pizza cheese". Australian journal of dairy technology. Retrieved September 27, 2012.
• Many more sources from Google Scholar comprised of significant coverage about this topic: here.
• Beyond passing mentions: Revenue Management for the Hospitality Industry - David K. Hayes, Allisha Miller - Google Books
• Another article: Continuous Production of Analogue Cheese

—Northamerica1000 15:48, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• I can do a book search for "The weather in London" and find lots of hits - doesn't mean it's suitable for an article. --Ritchie333 15:55, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Exactly. Just because sources use the term doesn't mean it's independently notable enough for its own article'. There are certain other topics that are almost always mentioned in the context of pizza cheese...namely, pizza and cheese. Since you can't divorce pizza cheese's notability from pizza's notability, or cheese's notability, the topic isn't deserving of its own article. Remember, passing GNG ≠ automatically keep the article. pbp 16:24, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Comment: There is no need to post sources in the AfD when they are already in the article; it serves no purpose other than to needlessly clutter the AfD. The editorializing that they are significant coverage is also unnecessary. pbp 16:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
• Merge - to Pizza. Only a few of the source presented so far are actually anything more than very brief mentions. Even with the couple that do discuss the cheese at length, there really is not enough to have the article ever expand to anything more than a short stub. However, as someone else already pointed out, the notability of this product is pretty much forever tied to Pizza. I think it would be far more appropriate to actually add information on this product to the main Pizza article using the decent sources found, rather than changing it to a simple redirect or outright deletion. Rorshacma (talk) 16:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• It would actually rehash numerous different articles we have on specific cheeses, processed cheese in general, and pizza.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep: Nomination is completely invalid, the lack of sourcing since December 2009 has nothing to do with whether the topic is notable. This article is over 10 years old, I am impressed to see an article that has existed for over 10 years, and been part of the processed cheese template for over 2 years, be nominated for deletion so cavalierly. Of course, non-cheese enthusiasts may not know that pizza cheese (which depending on the definition applied is actually a "cheese analogue"--which means FAKE) is the subject of a fair amount of scholarly research, e.g., Kindstedt et al.'s 1997 article Chemically-acidified pizza cheese production and functionality (5th Cheese Symposium), Larson et al., Curd-forming techniques for making Pizza-cheese by direct acidification procedures, J. Dailly Sci. 50 (1967), Guinee, T.P. et al., The composition and functional properties of commercial Mozzarella, Cheddar, and analogue pizza cheese, Int'l J. of Dairy Tech, 51 (2000), Kinstedt and Guo, Recent developments in the science and technology of pizza cheese', Aust. J. Dairy Tech., 52 (1997), Breene et al, Manufacture of pizza cheese without starter, J. Dairy Sci. 47:1173 (1964), Govidnasamy-Lucey et al, Effect of Type of Concentrated Sweet Cream Buttermilk on the Manufacture, Yield, and Functionality of Pizza Cheese, J. Dairy Science 90:2675 (2007), and publications by Patrick Fox et al. . These articles discuss the nature, composition, properties, production, and research on pizza cheese, as its a separate area of research from pizza itself.--Milowent • 17:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Several of those appear to be about cheese in general with pizza cheese being mentioned in that context. I think we could easily have a "production of pizza" article that covers the cheese aspect within it or some of those sources could be incorporated into the history of pizza article or just the regular article on pizza. A redirect is not going to eliminate the rather limited amount of information provided here. Consider using these sources to expand other articles on the broader subject before entertaining the creation of an article such as this one.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
• Also, the article having been in existence for X number of years says absolutely nothing about its worthiness pbp 17:52, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm not really worried about convincing pizza cheese jihadists like you guys!! Whether we could have a "production of pizza" article is not relevant to notability of pizza cheese; these articles show that pizza cheese is independently notable. And the fact that the article has existed for over 10 years is an anecdotal comment; consider the untold thousands of editors who have read this article since its creation and never once thought it unsuitable, its not a hidden low-traffic article.--Milowent • 18:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - Again, the sources provided are trivial in nature. They do not speak specifically about the product but are only mention the product in passing. Just showing usage of the term in a publication does not establish notability of a subject. Others in this discussion have commented on required the required depth need not being met by supplied sources and I agree with them. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 17:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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