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			A Biologist is indeed a prefession that requires certification and a degree. Jay is not one of them. There is nothing wrong with being a passionate Enviromental Activist but there is no need to misrepresent yourself Jay.

			Quick Facts: Zoologists and Wildlife Biologists
			2010 Median Pay $57,430 per year
			$27.61 per hour
			'''Entry- Level Education - Bachelor’s degree'''
			http://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/zoologists-and-wildlife-biologists.htm

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Can anyone find a source with a definitive spelling for this man's name? I assume he only spells it one way, though the press seem to have a tough time with it, judging by the linked articles. YrPolishUncle (talk) 21:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Watch out for footnote spam

A link to a business in Arizona selling custom homes was sneaked in to the footnotes on his essay where he coined the term "Greenwashing". I have removed the spam. The history will show it -- I'm not going to repeat it here. Shame on Sereno Canyon Scottsdale custom homes. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 14:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

profession after snowboarding career

There has been an ongoing debate over the career title of "Biologist" - with one side attempting to insert multiple synonyms for the word "amateur", while the other side wants to label it a "Biology career" instead of a "Biology avocation". So, I went through all the linked sources. Of those, I found one which labels Westerveld as a "field biologist", while all other sources call him either an "environmental activist" or an "environmentalist". All the sources appear to support these terms as his career.

Given the sources, there's no support for variations on the term "amateur"; but at the same time, the sources most strongly support labelling hist post-snowboarding career as an "Environmentalism career". If we do mention biologist within that section, it should be classified as a field biologist in order to tie out to the source. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I question the voracity of self tiltled professions published in local newspapers as verification of one being a accredited paid professional. If Mr Westerveld can show his degrees and show he makes a living as a Biologist then he satisfies the criteria of being a Professional and not a passionate amateur. I think a selt taught Enviromental Activist is a more accurate description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProBiota (talk • contribs) 17:41, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

What matters is what is published in third-party reliable sources - of which newspapers do qualify. See WP:RS. Personal interpretation, such as what you are proposing, is considered original research, and not acceptable for overriding statements in reliable sources. See WP:NOR. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Voracity--nice. Drmies (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Westerveld indeed works as a professional biologist. His job title at the Natural History council and his contract field work for the state of New York and the US Fish & Wildlife service, etc. indicate this.

Remember the title of biologist does not require any higher schooling; this is not to presuppose that Jay does not have this schooling, but to clarify the definition.

He is very active on social media and his graduate and undergraduate colleagues, professors, photos, etc. support higher education. I question the veracity of questioning any non-gastronomic subject's "voracity" whether or not they are "self-tiltled"

Even a cursory review of revisions of this page reflect a very angry effort to discredit this living person. Merely googling Westerveld and Alan Stenberg, anyone can see that Jay's research and later advocacy concerning a motel later owned by Mr. Stenberg cost Mr. Stenberg considerable revenue as a result of the threatened amphibians that Jay studied there.

I also propose that Misplaced Pages users "Probiota", "Alan Stenberg", "Herr Peter Klein", "Bog Turtle", etc., ad nauseum, are sock puppet sobriquets of one person bent on discrediting this renowned biologist who gave our language the word "Greenwash".

Incidentally, I actually know Jay Westerveld, He was my Ski Instructor in Lake Tahoe in 2011 right after I returned to the US. Since meeting Jay in 2011 I harbor no doubts about his career in biology. He has shared photos with me taken as recently as last October of his work instructing at a college and his lectures at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City.

The man is credited with discovering entire populations of rare animals in America. If this does not a biologist make, then what does?

This newspaper headline refers to him as a "biologist":

http://m.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091011/COMM/910110320/-1/NEWS&template=wapart

This medical publication also identifies Jay as a biologist:

http://www.todayschiropractic.com/Archive/AprilMay2012/Greenwashing.aspx

This special issue of "orange magazine" also refers to Jay as a biologist:

http://orangecountyweb.org/GCC/documents/Orangemag.jpg Semperfly (talk) 21:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to a lecture he recently gave at the American Museum of Natural History. It is the last entry on the linked page:

http://www.ocpostsentinel.com/cgi-bin/get_story.cgi?control=2135

and a link to another lecture he gave at another museum:

http://onhudson.typepad.com/onhudsoncom/2009/09/hudson-highlands-nature-museum-evening-speaker-series.html

here is a link to a lecture Jay gave at the State University of New York. I don't believe that "environmental activists" are invited to lecture on biological subjects at universities:

http://www.sunyorange.edu/news/articles/pr2009-001.shtml

This conference does not sound like one that would invite an "environmental activist" to lecture at:

http://www.northeastparc.org/meetings/NEPARC2012_Agenda.pdf

Due apologies for the links. The "voracity" of the attacks against Jay from these sock puppets need to be answered.

Semperfly (talk) 20:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

A Biologist is indeed a prefession that requires certification and a degree. Jay is not one of them. There is nothing wrong with being a passionate Enviromental Activist but there is no need to misrepresent yourself Jay.

Quick Facts: Zoologists and Wildlife Biologists 2010 Median Pay $57,430 per year $27.61 per hour Entry- Level Education - Bachelor’s degree http://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/zoologists-and-wildlife-biologists.htm

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