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Edit blanking

Hey, sorry about blanking out your comment- I'm a little new to making edits, I've made a few in the past but clearly I'm still learning. :-/ Fjf1085 (talk) 04:37, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. :) I assumed good faith as noted in my edit summary. We were all new at editing at one point; like I said on that article's talk page, be bold! Edit things, and don't worry too much about messing up; someone else can always correct any mistakes, and my view is that it's better to fix things that you think are broken than to hesitate and let errors stand. Let me know if you have any other questions...I'm not a particularly "experienced" editor myself, but I've certainly run into similar pitfalls with screwy accidental edits and the like! – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 04:42, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Completing the Move

How do we get the Kidnapping page moved exactly? Legacypac (talk) 16:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

It has to be moved by an admin. Hopefully, some admin will determine we have consensus sooner rather than later...but we may need to wait the full 7 days (until the 15th) for the proposal to run its course before a consensus decision is made. (And even then, it might be the case that the reviewer thinks there's no consensus, and we get stuck with the horrible title even longer. But hopefully not.) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 17:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Ugg, maybe we can get an Admin to look at it.Have you seen this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legacypac (talk • contribs)

I imagine there are plenty of admins watching the page; there's really no way to get it brought up for a speedy review. Chances are, folks have decided it's too contentious to close quickly and to let it run the full 7 days. (Also, as others have asked, please try to format your comments properly...when you reply, you should generally use an extra ":" to indent one block further than the comment you're replying to, and remember to use ~~~~ to sign things. Read WP:THREAD if you haven't. Preview before you submit and you can see if it looks right.) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 17:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Re-listed thread

Hello 2001:db8. I re-listed a thread where you had commented and I did hope to hear your opinion on the internal comment overall. Thanks. My76Strat (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for looking for input on this rather than just removing it. :) – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 04:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You're certainly welcome, and I value the hearing of additional insights; always! My76Strat (talk) 04:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:MOSBOLD

I know we've had our disagreements on the Boston Marathon bombings article, but your recent edits regarding this guideline are borderline trolling. This and this are beyond the pale... don't undo those again. Your interpretation of that guideline is untenable. Don't undo obvious convention on any articles before this has wider discussion. Shadowjams (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't realize how widespread your disruption on this issue was. Shadowjams (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) After noticing this thread, I can't help but echo Shadowjams admonishment here. Sometimes it's hard for me to be as direct, but the sesquipedalian pandering and the candid perfunctory prose arrive at exactly the same conclusion. You are basing your efforts in good faith on an absolutely "untenable" interpretation and you have to open yourself to hearing the explanation of where your misunderstanding lies. If you don't even believe there is any possibility that you've misunderstood a thing, there is no reason for me to even try to explain. I tested your amenability to such a possibility when I last stated to you. "I do think you are missing some nuance the guidelines". Unless you asked me to explain that statement, there would not be a reason to try. I still think you are missing the same nuance, and it is causing you to egregiously err. --My76Strat (talk) 08:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

How is applying guidelines with clear explanation and being willing to discuss them in a reasonable manner trolling? Attempting to comply to the MOS with policy-based arguments is not "trolling." In the case of the Boston Marathon bombings article, Shadowjams never explained why the two examples were not identical (frankly, I wondered if using almost the exact wording from a negative example in the MOS was itself trolling, but I will continue to assume good faith.) My76Strat never expanded on the specific issues I had raised with the previously proposed alternative, which I took the time to clearly address point-by-point. But let's ignore that particular article for now; interpretation there was decided some time ago, and not just by me, and we've all spent an excessive amount of time discussing that one so far.

Furthermore, I'm applying this guideline as it's been applied by consensus on many other high-traffic articles with similar structures. (For what it's worth, I didn't originate that hidden comment; I picked it up from other editors who had been applying the same policy on previous articles that I was editing, after I was reverted myself for incorrectly bolding a title and pointed at the policy.)

I find it more disruptive that you would go and apply your own interpretation across whatever instances of a policy disagreement you can find in an editor's recent history, reverting edits without an edit summary when you are clearly involved in the policy dispute yourself. When there's clear contention between editors on the interpretation of a specific guideline, the solution is not to go and apply your own interpretation, but to discuss it with that editor first and seek further input if needed.

I'll agree that a couple of those may have been borderline calls, such as . (Note that WP:BEGIN addresses this case of a list specifically, though.) But on an example such as , I find your need to revert every instance you could find indefensible. Can you please explain your specific objection to the latter case, which appears to be a rather ludicrous revert to me? I can't see any reason other than that you decided to look for anything with BOLDTITLE in my edit history and revert it.

My76Strat's suggestion that I don't believe in the possibility that I've misunderstood the guideline is based on discussion from a single article, which I argued in particular since there was agreement over the policy earlier in the article's life. I firmly stand by my interpretation of the guideline in that instance, but I am quite open to discussing the guideline as it applies to other articles, such as and . Perhaps those were overapplication of the policy as well, though I tend to think they were not as they removed redundancies. (Per WP:REDUNDANCY.) As for the Moore and Joplin articles, I gave my precise policy-based reasoning on the talk page; as you can see, I further edited the Joplin page to try to improve it after the other editor stated it was less readable. Your contribution there was basically to say WP:IDONTLIKEIT and revert without constructive input.

My proposed remedy for this is that we discuss all of these examples on an MOS talk page, and look for community input there as to proper application of the MOS in these instances, which should hopefully help clarify the general application of the policy for all involved. Would the two of you agree to that? I think it would be more constructive than just going and reverting things you don't like from another editor's contributions with no warning or discussion. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 12:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree that this should go to a full RFC. If I caused you grief in any way from the comments I made, I apologize and did not intend for anything like that to transpire. I am very preoccupied this exact moment, it seems my email has been hacked and my password may have been jeopardized so I need to address this matter further, as a priority. Cheers.--My76Strat (talk) 14:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about it; I didn't take any real offense at your comments, and I can understand the need for somewhat stronger wording after our previous discussions deadlocked. I'll open up a discussion on the MOS talk page when I get a chance; I think that's a more appropriate venue for this than a general RFC, being MOS-specific, though let me know if you disagree. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 14:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

1. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/10/ariel-castro-cleveland-abduction-cold-blood-kidnap/2149831/