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*'''Support''' unblock if he's telling the truth. Disregard this support if anyone provides solid evidence of recent sockpuppetry or other shenanigans, but if he's being honest, sure, why not. --]''''']''''' 14:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC) *'''Support''' unblock if he's telling the truth. Disregard this support if anyone provides solid evidence of recent sockpuppetry or other shenanigans, but if he's being honest, sure, why not. --]''''']''''' 14:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support''' - I've followed him since his first day here and very familiar with all the other accounts as well. While he has gained some clue on the way, there were a lot of problems with his vandal patrolling and biting or simply miss identifying vandalism. I would feel better if he completely avoided CVUA and vandal patrolling if he comes back, at least for 6 months. ] | ] | ] 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC) *'''Conditional support''' - I've followed him since his first day here and very familiar with all the other accounts as well. While he has gained some clue on the way, there were a lot of problems with his vandal patrolling and biting or simply miss identifying vandalism. I would feel better if he completely avoided CVUA and vandal patrolling if he comes back, at least for 6 months. ] | ] | ] 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' When Anderson was last active, he did waste the time of a lot of people. In my opinion the only way he could come back is if he agrees to unblock conditions that would keep him away from the areas where he had trouble. To facilitate those negotiations I suggest unlocking his talk page. ] (]) 14:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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      Is it this easy...

      ...to avoid accountability for your actions. I would be interested to hear opinions/comments on the following "hypothetical" example:

      • a user has had more than one report filed at ANI, by different users, within two weeks
      • the user was duly notified on his/her talk page for each report
      • during the time each report was active, the user was editing daily on Misplaced Pages
      • the user made no comment on any of the ANI reports
      • the first report has already been archived
      • the second report has concerns expressed by several users, but no response from the individual in question, after more than five days
      • failure to engage in a discussion at ANI is, in this example, an extension of some of the other disruptive behaviors which generated the reports in the first place

      Is it really that simple? Can someone engage in behavior which is of concern to other editors on Misplaced Pages, and then repeatedly choose to ignore ANI discussions without consequence? Disclosure: within the context of the hypothetical, I have neither reported the user to ANI nor am I the user being reported. Taroaldo ✉ 01:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

      This really isn't the right place for a question like this, But I'm at a loss as to where the right place would be, maybe the village pump?. However, I'll nibble. The answer would be no. Persistent non-response to an editor's complaint is not acceptable. Ok, if in the first instance of being reported to ANI, they don't show up but cease the behaviour that they were reported for then there is no issue. If the editor behaviour is raised at ANI again but by numerous editors then there is a case for a preventative block, pending admin investigation. This has happened before and will no doubt happen more in the future. Blackmane (talk) 09:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
      I couldn't figure out a better place to ask this question than here. It isn't really a hypothetical, but if I start citing specifics then there will be a third discussion open, which wouldn't be productive. My main concern is that there doesn't seem to be a practical process in place to deal with this type of situation. Neither of the two reports I cited received any administrator comment — perhaps everyone was waiting for a response from the user. If a user is uncivil/disruptive in their interactions with other editors sufficient to get an ANI report every few weeks but is not so blatant as to attract immediate administrator intervention (i.e. outside of ANI), then that user can seemingly ignore the ANI discussions without consequence (so far as I have observed). Failure to manage this effectively will only serve to frustrate productive editors who may end up leaving the project as many have done before them. Taroaldo ✉ 10:02, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
      If there is, in fact, an actual issue with their editing, and there is consensus that there needs to be a block, topic-ban, etc. in response to it, then their lack of comment in the AN/I discussion has no bearing on things. They, presumably, read the notice, and chose not to comment in their defense (or otherwise...), then whatever remedy needs to be applied is applied regardless. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Taroaldo - It's impossible to comment without knowing the context of what drove you to this question. All we have is your perception. I thought I knew what you were talking about until you said there had been no admin comments and now I'm at a loss. I'll only say this: some ANI reports are frivilous and others arn't structured in a way that makes sense and a third group are disputes that admin's won't touch with a remote controlled robot and a 20 ft pole.--v/r - TP 01:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      • The question is meant to be general but it was prompted by a real situation which still has one active report. I didn't feel it would be appropriate to provide diffs for illustrative purposes at AN while a report is still open at ANI. I have provided links on your talk page so you can see the full context. Thanks. Taroaldo ✉ 03:50, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      • The problem, Taroaldo, is that we can't make any definitive statements when you speak in pointed vagueries. Your initial post amounts to "Can we all agree that evil is bad?" If everyone agrees, so what? Unless we know exactly what situation you are talking about, we can't make any statements about whether or not the situation is or is not being dealt with properly. We have no way to even know if your characterization of the situation is accurate unless we can view the entirety of the situation with our own eyes and arrive at our own conclusions. --Jayron32 04:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      Deleting talk at talk pages, I need protection against WP:Harass

      Closed per WP:BOOMERANG. Lesson learnt.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

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      Hi, I want to ask if the deletion of my talk at this talkpage is allowed? Because I was pointing out to something that seems to happen a lot, I noticed WP:Canvas.

      Some months ago I had a discussion with Alexikoua on the and there after some day Athenean became involved and supported him, ultimately I was blocked by an admin because they accused me of non neutral(!) editing.

      Yesterday I was randomly reading the talkpage of Talk:Janina Vilayet when I noticed that there had been a discussion in 2011 and exactly the same users were supporting each other against another user. I do not know if this happened on other talkpages, probably it did. But these two users are not unrelated to each other, it seems they work together to influence discussions. So when I noticed this at that talkpage I wrote this as response and immediately (because they control my edits)Athenean deleted my content, while Alexikoua threatened me with block

      I also need help because Alexikoua is constantly WP:HARASS me, he is watching my edits and complaining to other users without notifying me. , . They threaten me on my talkpage with blocking, I tried to talk with them but they seem to have a very personal dislike since several months. The reason is because I think I created one article (based on reliable sources but which I never could finish due to their opposition) Gemlik-Yalova Peninsula massacres A Greek army massacre of Turks, but on the other hand Alexikoua himself is an active creator/contributor to (Turks massacring Greeks articles). . Athenean accuses me that I have an axe to grind with Greek people because I created that massacre. .

      Thank you. DragonTiger23 (talk) 09:56, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      Wait. You drop in on a two-years-old talkpage discussion you never had anything to do with, add a negative comment about two other contributors to it for no other reason than that they have been in a conflict with you on an entirely different article, and then you complain that they are harassing you? This calls for a boomerang. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Exactly, there isn't any trace of wp:harass. The only case in which we can consider something as such is this one ] (sarcastic comments targetting specific users) and no wonder such a unacceptable comment was quickly removed per wp:talk. Alexikoua (talk) 10:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      The short answer is yes, it was appropriate to remove your comment. Talk pages are only for discussing how to improve the associated article. Your comment did not discuss the article atall and was properly removed. You were not threatened with a block, you were told if you continue you may be blocked for disruptive editing. GB fan 10:30, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      If Wp:canvass and WP:Harass is allowed I rest my case. DragonTiger23 (talk) 10:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      Canvassing and harassment are not allowed. You going to a conversation you were not involved in and making a comment such as the one you made is harassment and you should stop. As far as canvassing, I do not see where anyone has recruited other editors that are not involved in a conversation to join a conversation. GB fan 11:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      So, let's address your questions 1 by 1:

      1. Was the deletion of your talkpage comment allowed? YES - it was unrelated to improving the article at hand, and was also inappropriate in tone and substance
      2. Are you being harassed? No - it does not appear that anyone is specifically following your edits and trying to force you off the project

      Here's a couple of extra ideas for you:

      1. Do not accuse others of nationalistic editing without clear proof - you claim they dislike you because of an article you were involved in ... holding old grudges would be childish and unproductive
      2. Before accusing of WP:CANVASS and WP:HARASS, you should actually read them in their entirety in order to actually understand them, not just bits and pieces of them

      (✉→BWilkins←✎) 11:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      After only 1 day, both Athenean and Alexikoua find out my edit on that talkpage, if they were not controlling all my edits all the time, how could they both ever find out my writing on a forgotten talkpage so quickly ? I gave the links to their accusations, I suspected them of canvass, I should not write that on the talkpage but I did that to point out to admins so they could see their joint actions to influence discussions, but as I see nobody is interested in this. Alexikoua is busy trying to block me by influencing other users I gave the links. DragonTiger23 (talk) 11:44, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      How did they find that edit so quickly the probably have that page watchlisted so it showed up on their list when you edited it. GB fan 11:51, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      But I know I am guilty, and I am sorry to have pointed out their wp:canvass. So please block me very quickly for indefinite. DragonTiger23 (talk) 11:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      You haven't done anything you need to be blocked for at this point. GB fan 11:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

      Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing) FA topic ban clarification sought

      CLARIFIED, MOVE ALONG It appears the matter has in fact been clarified, Andy is not banned from any talk pages by the scope of that topic ban. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

      Andy is presently under a topic ban which states:

      User:Pigsonthewing is banned by the community from the FA of the day and any articles nominated or scheduled as FA of the day.

      A discussion has arisen at WP:ANI regarding possible breaches of the topic ban, where Andy has edited the Talk page of a Featured Article and where he has discussed a scheduled Featured Article on a WikiProject's associated Misplaced Pages Talk page. I believe in the best interests of all concerned, it would be useful to clarify what namespace(s) the topic ban should apply to and whether there should be any exceptions etc. I have no personal opinion on what namespace(s) the topic ban should explicitly state, and am raising this here as a procedural issue only. Thanks all, Nick (talk) 12:01, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      This is now at last the sixth thread on this matter. The previous attempts to extend the clearly expressed coverage from articles to other pages have all been rebuffed, not least by the original closing admin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:36, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Having been an arb, I can say that rulings that include talk pages explicitly state such. Since that ruling doesn't so state, Andy is free to participate in TFA related talk pages. Now people should stop beating the dead horse and drop the stick. PumpkinSky talk 13:31, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      As you 'can say', you can, then, supply us with instances where this ruling is explicitly evidenced? Thanks, --Smerus (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Please do not wikilawyer. Unless his topic ban specifically prevents discussions on article talkpages, then he is specifically allowed. This is SOP so that editors are not fully removed from areas of interest unless it becomes a necessity. PS: can someone remove the template from the section header so that it can archive successfully (✉→BWilkins←✎) 14:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      PS Done -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Drop the stick. This is SOP, here...if talk pages are included they are specifically mentioned in the motion.PumpkinSky talk 15:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

      User:88.231.61.88

      Removing information in articles and insulting in Turkish in comment line.--Chauahuasachca (talk) 18:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      Eyes please

      this was brought to my attention. I had a very quick look at the contribs. I'm thinking there's a WP:CIR issue in the English language sense. I'm not really up for any drama, but I think it's something that should be looked at. I'll drop them a link to this thread now. — Ched :  ?  21:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      I just saw another case a couple of days ago of a clueless editor accidentally creating pages in the category namespace using HotCat. Has some editing function changed recently that makes that an easy mistake? Looie496 (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Now that you mention it I've seen the same thing. I've deleted that category and informed the user they apparently were attempting to communicate with. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:58, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      In answer to Looie's query, I have a suspicion that HotCat may have been enabled by default for new accounts since several months ago; this has the effect that when a new editor goes to another editor's talk page in order to communicate with them, they see a "+" symbol at the bottom of the page, in exactly the position where some other websites have a "+" symbol to click on for "add new post", and thus click it in order to add their message. (Although I'm not entirely sure that explains everything going on in this particular case.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Demiurge is correct. For the past few months a lot of new editors have mistakenly added categories thinking they were using an editing interface. Acroterion (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      I'd like to know when and where it was decided to turn on HotCat by default. That doesn't seem like a real good idea, the category system here is not something a total noob should be diving right into. The fact that several of us have seen this same problem already would tend to support that idea. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Found it. On the one hand I am relieved that at least there was a discussion but it apparently did not occur to anyone that this was kind of a big decision and should have been listed at WP:CENT at the very least, not just decided by about ten users. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Many more than ten users have found it problematic. I brought it up at VPT a while back, and feedback was almost entirely against the measure as implemented. Acroterion (talk) 22:26, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Then I think it is time for a proper RFC on the matter. The figure of ten is about how many people seem to have particpated in that discussion, but in fact only four users voiced support for turning it on for all registered users on a permanent basis. This never should have been closed the way it was and it certainly never should have been implemented. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
      Yes, if we can get it turned off for new users it would cut down on this mistaken category creating. --Rschen7754 22:38, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      Discussion is open. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:40, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

      I've noticed a few blocked editors putting their unblock requests inside category statements too. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      Infobox Swiss town TfD tag

      Resolved – done -- Diannaa (talk) 15:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      An admin is needed, to add a TfD tag to the protected {{Infobox Swiss town}}. The markup needed is:

      {{Template for discussion/dated|page=Infobox Swiss town|link=Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 June 29#Template:Infobox Swiss town|help=off}}

      ASAP, please. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:05, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      76.189.109.155 and drama

      76.189.109.155 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

      76 has been editing using this IP address since May 1, 2013. He has made many, many edits. Although I haven't looked at all of them, I would say his article edits are probably generally constructive. Outside of article edits, his behavior ranges from charming to obnoxious. Obviously, the reason I'm here is to find a way to eliminate - or at least drastically reduce - the obnoxious. Frankly, I think the only way to do it is through blocks, although I'm open to a creative topic ban that achieves the objective without blocks.

      As is clear from his edits, 76 has edited here before May 1. Somewhere he acknowledged that - can't remember where, but I don't think he's hiding it anyway. I believe he claims he's only edited as an IP and has never had a registered account. I have no way of verifying that.

      I believe I first became aware of his existence because of an incident in May that this ANI topic and this ANI topic partly reflect and that 76 turned into a major drama. Indeed, one of the reasons I am starting this topic is because of a new but related drama regarding 76's own talk page.

      The crux of the problem are these dramas. User:Dennis Brown expressed it reasonably well with this comment: "Mr IP, I'm a bit worried as to why you are here. Everywhere I look and see you, it is usually nothing but wikilawyering. I'm not saying you are wrong on every single point, but your main contribution to Misplaced Pages seems to be drama." 76 does not take kindly to criticism and responded in part: "I suggest you keep your passive-aggressive (and inaccurate) insults to yourself."

      The response to Dennis is a significant part of the problem. 76 likes discussing things with admins directly and on admin noticeboards. He kind of has two lists, those admins he likes (they agree with him or are at least nice to him) and those he doesn't. Admins swap back and forth on the lists depending on the most recent interaction between 76 and the admin. Currently, at least User:Bwilkins, User:Orangemike and Dennis are on the bad list. I've gone back and forth a number of times. I'm not sure where I am right now but if I'm not already on the bad list, I will be after I post this.

      As for Bwilkins and Mike, 76 is currently pounding them to death on their talk pages. He's kind of like an aggressive, self-righteous lawyer cross-examining a witness to get them to admit something. Unfortunately, there's no Misplaced Pages judge to limit the examination.

      The latest drama is the template {{dynamicip}}. User:Toddst1 added (re-added?) the template to 76's talk page. The IP removed it, and then there was a bit of a battle including my involvement. You can see discussions about it on my talk page and User:Jayron32's talk page. 76 questioned Todd about it, but Todd declined to discuss it and removed 76's comments. The last "compromise" suggestion by 76 was he would "permit" the template to remain on his talk page but not at the top of the page where these templates go because, says 76, policy doesn't require that it be on the top. I objected to that, but he went ahead and did it anyway. Last I looked, it was buried somewhere in the middle of the page, although he's been edit warring with various editors to keep it where he wants it.

      These dramas are a continuing drain on resources. At some point they outweigh the positive contributions 76 makes, but even if 76 is not a net liability to the project, he needs to be reined in. Although I've included some links, I'm not going to hunt down all the dramas and all the examples of 76's shifting opinions about admins and editors. Whether I am or not, I have decided I am involved. Therefore, I can't take any administrative action against him, even for the latest edit warring on his talk page and his self-serving interpretation of policy.

      I will notify 76 and some of the involved admins after I post this.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      I agree that these dramas from this problematic IP are a continued drain on our resources. I see more antipathy towards admins than anything else from this editor. I followed the invective on user talk: Bwilkins from this editor and recognized this editor from a similar fiasco in May. Since I haven't used any administrative privileges, I felt free to walk away from the conversation given the long history of drama-mongering from this IP. I think this editor should have been blocked long ago for persistent WP:Battle and WP:Wikilawyering during this editor's short tenure here at his/her current sticky dynamic IP address. Toddst1 (talk) 17:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      If 76.189.109.155 experiences such aversion to {{dynamicip}}, then I can propose to make another design of the dynamic IP notice, specially for him – if he likes it. But can I ask the community to ban 76.189.109.155 from user_talk:s of all users who experience an aversion to 76.189.109.155, of all who states that does not like him? I think it would be a reasonable compromise. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 17:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      "Compromise" necessarily indicates that all parties are getting something but not everything they want. This is not a compromise. Making special templates and requiring a great number of admin to avoid an IP editor that isn't interested in building articles is not a compromise, it is a burdensome capitulation to an editor that is offering nothing of value to the encyclopedia. I'm not sure I've run across them before except to post that one notice regarding their behavior, an administrative task. Should I be required to avoid problematic IPs? Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 18:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Not that it's important for the decisions we have to make here, but you have interacted with 76 before now. For example, here (in a pleasant way) and here in a not-so-pleasant way with 76 taking potshots at User:Kudpung.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      I do not propose you to avoid 76.189.109.155. And I do not propose to ban 76.189.109.155 from interaction with certain editors in all venues. I said only that I said: to ban 76.189.109.155 from starting his pointless lawyering at my user_talk, Toddst1’s one, Ymblanter’s one, and possibly of other users. It is the most disruptive his thing, according to my experience. I do not think that immediate ejecting of the editor without an intermediate stage of restrictions is a good policy. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • I'll say nothing (the history on my talkpage - yes, I removed a couple of posts) and the bizarre discussion on Orangemike's talkpage pretty much say it all. However, I'll correct one thing: I actually the IP likes OrangeMike ... after all, the IP claims I threw OM under the bus yesterday, and won't drop the sharp, pointy thing even when proven otherwise. Do with him what you will, but at least do something ... this is an effing ridiculous waste of resources and goodwill (✉→BWilkins←✎) 17:49, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      "at least do something... this is an effing ridiculous waste of resources and goodwill" +1 Toddst1 (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      In view of the continued edit warring. WP:3RR has certainly been exceeded. I B Wright (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • My quoted statement already presents my perspective. I'm not sure what the solution is here, but it has been disruptive. Users whose primary purpose is to be a social gadfly are not really here to build an encyclopedia, they are here for....something else, which I have no idea. I think poking the admin from time to time is probably a very beneficial thing, we are and should be fully accountable, but being a self-righteous and self-appointed full-time wikilawyer (particularly when your understanding of policy is dubious, at best) goes way beyond the role of "loyal opposition" and enters the realm of trolling. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 17:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      It has to be said that due to recent problems with IP editors, I have modified my view as to whether such editors should be permitted to edit in Misplaced Pages. But the people who have the power to decide these things have decided that they are acceptable and I have to respect that. However, it has to be said that this is the first time that I have come across an IP editor who is going out of his way to elicit an editing block. Maybe, it's some sort of rite of passage. I B Wright (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      I'd like to apologize to all the admins I offended, especially the ones I really like. Especially Bbb23, who's a great guy. Let me make this simple. I'm upset because of the very disrepectul way OrangeMike was treated with regard to this ANI discussion. Please read my comments there. Mike was taken to ANI regarding a block, but no one ever even had a conversation with him first to try and resolve it. Yes, I was passionate there. Sometimes too passionate. But there were few defending him, until some wonderful admins - Bbb23, DGG and The Bushranger - came along and balanced the scales a bit. Because of my participation there, my reputation took an immediate hit, which I knew was likely to happen because I was the only IP participating. But I felt so terrible for Mike that I didn't care. So I'm not in the best mood because of that situation. And then, to top it off, Toddst1, with whom I had a little skirmish with about six weeks ago, came to my talk page an re-added the shared IP template that hadn't been there in all that time. He claimed I removed it improperly, but I explained to him that WP:BLANKING did not exclude it from being removed at the time I removed it in May. It wasn't until 16 days later, that Todd himself added (or readded) that exclusion to WP:BLANKING. So I went to his page to discuss it and asked Jayron32 if he would be a neutral mediator. I even said I was fine with having the template if it's required; my understanding through a long Village Pump discussion a few weeks ago was that the IP template was not something that would be enforced. In any case, I told Bbb that I'd be fine with having the template but said I'd like to put it lower on the page since there are no rules that say it must be displayed at the top of the page. Finally, I'd ask that some admins please look at my talk page history over the past hour or so and review the flood of edits by I B Wright and 155blue. I would respectfully ask that an admin educate them on that type of editing. Again, I'm sorry to the admins I annoyed and offended. And no, Bbb, you're not on my "bad list". :) I think most of the admins I've dealt with are great, actually. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      The problem is you have a "bad list" as you refer to it. That's classic WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior and there is no place for that on Misplaced Pages. Can someone please put forward a proposed sanction for community ratification? Toddst1 (talk) 18:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Todd, there is no bad list. That was a term used solely by Bbb. So I was simply alluding it to it in my comment, to let him know he's not on this "bad list" he talked about. ;) And I sort of thought it was funny. I've never even used the terms good and bad lists. That's apparently just Bbb's way of describing his perception of how I see things. But you can ask him about that. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Well, let me agred with BBB that you appear to have a "bad list." Beyond that you persist in classic WP:BATTLE behavior and there is no place for that on Misplaced Pages. Toddst1 (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Yep, I understand how it can appear that way. Hey, we all have editors we like and don't like. That's nothing new. But there's no good and bad list. Haha. I actually liked Triple B's description of that, though. It made me laugh the first time he used it. That's because initially, he and I didn't get along, and then we became pretty good friends on here. And I really respect him. So the good/bad thing was all his creation; I can't take any credit for it. The only problem is that some people thought he meant if literally. ;) But yeah, like all other editors, we have people we like more than others. That's life. That's Misplaced Pages. I'm sure I'm on your "bad editors" list, right? Haha. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      Proposal 1

      proposal closed for improvement - see Proposal 2 below

      The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

      Given this IP's long pattern of acrimony and WP:BATTLE the editor currently editing at 76.189.109.155 is restricted from participating in discussions at noticeboards, may not blank his/her talk for 6 months. This restriction will persist if the user changes IPs. Toddst1 (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      I think the ban should be broader than the proposal but perhaps shorter in duration. There are two problem areas this proposal does not address, the harassment at user talk pages (obvious) and the problems in Misplaced Pages space other than at noticeboards (e.g., long protracted comments wanting to change WP:BLANKING). A more reasonable duration would probably be three months. Also, an exception to the noticeboard restriction would have to exist where 76 is clearly the subject of the discussion. BTW, I'm fairly certain that 76 has stated that he is male.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      How much more drama do you want here? I apologized sincerely and I meant it. Do you want a pound of my flesh? Are you trying to punish me or prevent something? Please let's not forget I have thousands of edits. I don't know how many. Maybe 2000, 3000. I have edited a lot of articles and participated in a lot of article discusssions. I tried to keep this simple. I was upset about Mike's treatment and I vented. I'm sorry about that. And I don't get this whole 1RR issue. The only revert issue is on my own talk page regarding this issue of whether the IP template has to go at the top or not. That's it. If there's a policy that says that, just show me and then we'll put the template at the top. Right now, it's on my page but just not at the top. So it's there and people can see it. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      And Todd, I have every right to blank my talk page as long as it doesn't violate WP:BLANKING. Let's just settle the issue of whether it has to go at the top or not. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      And why should I be restricted from noticeboards? Bbb23 said himself that I didn't cross any lines worth being blocked; just that I should tone it down. I will do that if I choose to participate at those boards. But honestly, I don't really like them. I was just passionate about that ANI because of the issue with Mike. So please stop all the attempts to be punitive here over issues that don't apply. I was rude to some admins on their talk pages and I feel bad about it. And it won't happen again. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:49, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      We're discussing taking away your privileges here because of your abuse. You have no rights, only privileges. That is why. Toddst1 (talk) 20:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

      Edit warring/talk page issues

      It's not just the admins that you have offended, your reasons for reverting edits which include "...stay the f off of my talk page" are uncivil and have been offensive. If a welcome message is considered vandalism and moving an object to its proper place is disruptive editing, then what is right to do? In addition, it would be polite to notify me on my talk page the next that you mention me here.155blue (talk) 18:19, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      155blue, based on the numerous edits you made on my talk page, you apparently do not understand, or not aware of, WP:BLANKING, or the difference between a warning and a template. When someone asks you nicely to stay off their talk page and you come back and back and back and back, that's a big problem. The only way to get the message through to you was to be more assertive. And it worked. After I said, "i told you several times to stay the fuck off my talk page", you didn't return. ;) And as my history will show, I almost never use language like that. But I've never seen editors flooding someones talk page non-stop, like you and IB Wright did. And btw, you added an IP template to my page when there was one already there. In the future, when there is a contentious issue happening, you should let an admin handle it. But the last thing you should do is keep going back to someone's talk page when they ask you not to. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      In WP:BLANKING it states and I quote:
      "A number of important matters may not be removed by the user—they are part of the wider community's processes:
      Declined unblock requests regarding a currently active block, confirmed sockpuppetry related notices, and any other notice regarding an active sanction
      Miscellany for deletion tags (while the discussion is in progress)
      Speedy deletion tags and requests for uninvolved administrator help (an administrator will quickly determine if these are valid or not; use the link embedded in the notice to object and post a comment, do not just remove the tag).
      For IP editors, templates and notes left to indicate other users share the same IP address.
      {{Noindex}} added to user pages and subpages under this guideline (except with agreement or by consensus). Note this can safely be removed from talk pages and subpages where it has no effect. (see below)"
      (emphasis added)
      As the shared IP notice has to be placed at the top of the page, I fully understand what you can and cannot delete.155blue (talk) 18:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      155blue, most of the rest of us are fully aware of what WP:BLANKING says, so there was no need to paste the entire policy here. And I gave it to you, remember? Apparently, you weren't aware of them because you put an edit summary that said "this warning needs to be kept". Obviously, warnings do not need to be kept. And there is nothing in WP:BLANKING that says the IP template must be displayed at the top of the page, which is one of the issues at hand. So please, will you allow the admins to discuss this with me? You're really not helping matters. Thank you. And btw, when you bold quoted material that isn't bolded in the source, you need to indicate that you did that by putting "(emphasis added)" at the end. The IP templates line is not bolded in the source material. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      And despite the assertions made above, I too fully understand what our IP editor can and cannot delete. The above policy is quite clear, in my view. I B Wright (talk) 18:48, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      IB, please back away from this discussion and let the admins handle it. You flooded my talk page with edits and reverts - around 10 I believe - and easily surpassed the edit-warring limit. But edit-warring on someone else's talk page doesn't necessarily require even four reverts to violate the policy. And the part you're apparently not aware of is that reverting edits on one's own talk page (or user page) is exempt from 3RR (as long as it violates the TP guidlines). See WP:NOT3RR. So when you ignored my repeated requests to stay off my talk page and posted this comment that says, "And you have now exceeded WP:3RR so a block in now guaranteed", you obviously didn't know what you were talking about. Actually, it was you who violated 3RR. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      An editor who cannot count. I only made seven (7) edits, and one of those was to remove a comment that somehow posted twice. At no time did I revert anything more than three times, so that makes you a liar. I may have reverted two different edits three times but that is not 3RR. I B Wright (talk) 07:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      76, it is self-evident that you violated Misplaced Pages's civility rules by saying my edits were "incompetent," and by saying "stay the f off my talk page." You also violated the 3-revert rule by reverting so many edits, despite the good faith that you had in them. I stopped not because of your foul language but because of that rule that you seem to be fully oblivious to. At the third revert, I stopped and instead put a template on your page welcoming you to the wiki. By looking here you can see this. Also, I did signify that the bold was added by putting down "(bold added)". The issue was corrected at this edit by changing "bold added" to "emphasis added." Despite that, you dragged me into the debate on this page and I refuse to let you silence me. If you directly accuse me of anything, I will respond.155blue (talk) 18:54, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Again 155, you simply don't understand the 3RR and NOT3RR guidlelines. Both you and IB Wright were in violation of 3RR for your flood of edits on my talk page. So read the relevant policies and move on. And this is what's being referred to when one alludes to the concept of competence in editing. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      Again, I don't object to the template. I've stated that several times. But there is no rule that says it must be displayed at the top of the page. It's on my page now, just not at the top. So what's the problem? --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      But as you well know, there was an extremely lengthy debate at Village Pump several weeks ago about the exclusions. And at that time, the IP template exclusion was not on there. It was added/readded by Toddst1 two weeks later. So no one is debating that it's on the list now; the only issue whether there is a requirement or not for it to be displayed at the top of the page. Simple. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      These threads reinforce my concerns. This drama has a parasitic effect, consuming the time of others without bestowing any benefit to them or to the encyclopedia. Sweet words or no, you have become a time vampire. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 19:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      What do you want, Dennis? Should I chop a limb off? I said I'm sorry for being rude. And I meant it. I honestly don't care if I get banned or not if that will make everyone feel better. But either way, I regret the way I vented at people. But I don't regret standing up for Mike. I felt terrible for him. So let's just settle the matter of whether the template is required to go at the top or not. Or do you just want me to stop editing altogether? --76.189.109.155 (talk) 19:54, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      • To answer your question, what I want is an epiphany. Short of that, a clear understanding and path forward. I am getting the distinct feeling above that I'm being told what you think I want to hear, while you later debate the minutia template placement. The placement of that template is not the issue here and I can't remember having to debate one with an IP before. It shouldn't be an issue to begin with, and it is no more than a distraction. You do care if you get "banned" or you wouldn't be here. What I want is honesty, an understanding, and less drama, which is no different than I want from anyone else. It isn't complicated. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:06, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Why do you feel terrible about Mike? Did he ask you to come to his aid? Do you suffer from White Knight Syndrome? The thread was about "reminding an admin about WP:BITE" ... nobody was going to lose their sysop status, or even get their pee-pee slapped. You continually butted your nose in, even when explained the history - my colleague OrangeMike knows full well how to take care of himself, as was evidenced when he finally did post in that thread. After all, he's been in the same predicament before, and is well-aware of his defence tactics. The template stays at the top so that nobody has to go around to find it and re-adding it when they do not see it at the top. As it's a shared IP, it's not your talkpage - it's the talkpage of whoever uses that address, and next week it might not be you, so logically it needs to be left at the standard. Finally, since you spent the better part of this day refusing to read, and refusing to drop the stick, you are indeed a detriment to this project at this - you wasted hours of my time and others because you couldn't take advice. You should indeed be banned until such a time as you're willing to drop the WP:BATTLE and maybe actually apologize to the people you've been fecking with all day(✉→BWilkins←✎) 20:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
        • Why do you love your mom? Do you suffer from family-ties syndrom? People generally cannot control the way they feel and if he felt bad for Mike, he likely perceived something about the situation that he can't articulate in a way that is understandable to others. Feelings are not always rationale and asking why someone feels the way they do is an asinine question. No one wasted your hours. You volunteered them giving the advice.--v/r - TP 14:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

      Proposal 2

      Given this IP's long pattern of acrimony, WP:BATTLE, WP:WIKILAWYERING, WP:Harassment and drama, the editor currently editing at 76.189.109.155 is restricted from:

      1. participating in discussions at noticeboards unless he is the subject of the discussion
      2. participating in discussions and/or changes to policies, essays and/or guidelines
      3. harassing or being uncivil to any other user or admin (broadly constructed)
      4. removing from or moving anything on his/her talk page

      This sanction will be in effect for 3 months. This restriction will persist if the user changes IPs or registers as a user. Any violations of these conditions will result in an immediate block and an extension of this sanction.

      Please comment below as to whether you support or oppose this sanction. Toddst1 (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

      • Support Toddst1 (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Support with the addition that the Shared IP template stays at the top where it's supposed to be (✉→BWilkins←✎) 20:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Goodbye I feel terrible about lashing out at the various admins because of my frustration about the OrangeMike situation. I've already given heartfelt apology here more than once. But apparently, that and my history of two to three thousand edits, isn't enough. So I will not be editing any more. Regarding the template, it's not an issue any more. It's the only thing on my talk page now. All the best to all of you. And, again, I'm sorry to anyone I was rude to. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Support. This is a much better proposal than Todd's first attempt (thanks for listening and doing the hard work). I particularly like the fact that a ban avoids blocking 76 as I still think he can be an asset when he's focusing on article content. I know he has said he's leaving, but people have, of course, been known to change their minds about that sort of thing (retired, unretired, etc.), so formalizing the ban is still a good idea. Two small points about the ban. First, the fourth restriction should be eliminated if 76 creates a registered account before the ban expires as it would no longer be necessary (existing policy would be good enough). Second, a very small point: "user or admin" should be just user - last time I heard admins are users, too. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 20:31, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Support A diva exit is not a reason to discontinue the discussion. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 20:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      +1 Toddst1 (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
      • Support - I commend Bbb23 for raising this issue in such a calm, articulate way. Unfortunately, 76.189.109.155 has indeed proven to be a drain on resources, with their repetitive, antagonistic notice board and talk page posts. My only concern with this proposal, is that after three months, the user may return to the same behavior. I hope that instead they will focus on actually building the encyclopedia without the needless drama. There are many thousands of articles that can benefit from editing without ever touching a talk page. - MrX 01:51, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Although I’m not a sysop, I express the full support for 1, 2, 3. Though, I think that 4 came too late, because 76.189.109.155 persistently refactored his user_talk in order to form and keep his social image (contrary to the prescribed use of the user_talk as an interaction device), expunging all remarks which showed him in a negative or otherwise undesired (for him) context, so… it just does not have much sense now. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 05:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Comment: Whilst I appreciate that the purpose of this is to encourage an editor to edit in as co-operative a manner as possible, this particular method is not usually successful. On every previous occasion that I have seen it tried, the result is usually the same. A set of restrictions is placed on some disruptive editor. For a few days, said editor abides by the terms of the restrictions. After four or five days, a test edit is made that is outside of the restrictions. When nothing is done about it, then after a week or so, it's business as usual and the whole cycle starts again. I B Wright (talk) 07:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
        The problem with 76.189.… is not about cooperation. It is about clueless lawyering and chatting/flooding attitude at discussion pages that went unabated for several months, i.e. about his use of the discussion mechanism for aims that have nothing to do with the encyclopedia. Now, when restrictions are going to be established, I’ll just apply my rollback if I encountered any 76.189.…’s loathsome social-networking stuff. Then, he will either start an edit war that leads to blocking, or will unable to continue with his previous behaviour. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

      I'm not sure 76 is the problem I first thought. Not sure. Yesterday, I listed a bunch of IPs in his neighbourhood who've been editing over the last 12 months (archived here). There appears to be two regular editors using that range but I haven't teased them apart. I've had a bit of a look, and haven't found anything any more disruptive than I see happening here all day every day from a lot of editors in good standing, such as myself, Carrite, Charmlet, Orangemike, Demiurge, etc. and there seems to be plenty of constructive editing happening. That's how it seems after a superficial scan.

      I initially extended the usual level of distrust and contempt that I do to IPs who dare to oppose me, but I'm wondering now if I've been too harsh and hasty. As I say, I don't know yet, because I haven't reviewed the editor's work properly - and I don't have time today - but I just wanted to pop this here and register my concern. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 14:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

      • Oppose If "Drama" is all the subject is accused of, everyone on AN and ANI could likewise face the same sanction. We don't sanctionfor participating in drama, we sanctionfor causing it. It has not been demonstrated that the IP causes the drama. The chief complaint appears to be "IP points out people's fallacies and it's a bit annoying" to paraphrase (sorry Bbb23). 155Blue's complaint is even more benign. "stay the f off of my talk page" is routinely used and I could probably use it as a search term on ANI and pull up half a thousand results where it was said that it is not a personal attack to use curse words when telling someone to go away. It is only a personal attack when describing the user. Further, the "incompetent" remark is again benign. We routinely call people incompetent, we have an essay for it. So, what do we have? We have an IP who is more experienced than the average IP, a regular, knowledgeable, and vocal. If he had an account, we'd give him a barnstar for his insights. Not really sanctionable material here. You could sanctionme on the same grounds.--v/r - TP 14:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
        Further, I don't see a "bad boy list" from this IP. Vernacular was introduced by another user, the IP picked it up for simplicity sake, and now it's being turned around on him as if it was his own. A thought was injected into his mind and now he's being blamed for it. This thread should just dissipate and the IP should be strongly recommended to register an account for his own sake to avoid headaches like this.--v/r - TP 14:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
        And also, I don't think the IP even has a nice and bad list. He calls it like he sees it and doesn't avoid crossing friend-boundaries. You can like a person and disagree with them, as I've just done with most of you, and this guy does just that. You can also speak on behalf of people you don't like, as the IP may have been doing with OrangeMike. You can't judge a person's feelings about others based on single instances of what they do and likewise you can't judge people on how their mind sees different perspectives. This guy doesn't seem like a deliberate troll. He seems to me that he's insightful and vocal. I don't consider myself an apologist, but there are no other factor's in this IP's behavior other than they are an IP and IPs carry a stereotype. If there was trolling actions, such as comissioning a painting of Jimbo with an unusual body part for painting, then okay. But the actions demonstrated (by 155blue) are not outside the ordinary of registered accounts.--v/r - TP 14:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

      Anderson unblock request

      Anderson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) was blocked indefinitely in September 2012 by Kudpung, and now he wishes to invoke the standard offer. This is the text of his UTRS, which he has agreed to have copied here:

      I've been away from Misplaced Pages for 3 quarters of a year, I've learned my lesson and there will be no nonsense/sock-puppetry from me like the last time i was blocked for it, i will follow the restrictions on my talk page, and all i'll be doing is making decent contributions, and i will revert vandalism without issue.

      Please review this request and determine whether Anderson should be let back. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:06, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

      • Support unblock if he's telling the truth. Disregard this support if anyone provides solid evidence of recent sockpuppetry or other shenanigans, but if he's being honest, sure, why not. --Jayron32 14:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Conditional support - I've followed him since his first day here and very familiar with all the other accounts as well. While he has gained some clue on the way, there were a lot of problems with his vandal patrolling and biting or simply miss identifying vandalism. I would feel better if he completely avoided CVUA and vandal patrolling if he comes back, at least for 6 months. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
      • Comment: When Anderson was last active, he did waste the time of a lot of people. In my opinion the only way he could come back is if he agrees to unblock conditions that would keep him away from the areas where he had trouble. To facilitate those negotiations I suggest unlocking his talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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