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May 2013

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Kajaki Dam

Hi Fareed. I replaced the image for Kajaki Dam. While the image you used has a better resolution, it does not show the actual dam which the previous image did. For the main image of the article in the infobox, you want the reader to see the dam. The only time a picture of the lake goes in the infobox is when we have no picture of the dam itself. The picture currently in the infobox shows the dam and the power station. It works great. Please do not replace it again. If you feel the other picture is better than please explain.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:39, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The article is primarily on the dam, the reservoir is a by-product of the dam. If the article were on Kajaki Lake, I could see your image as more suitable. Your image, a picture of the lake and tips of the dam and spillway, isn't the main impression you want to give to readers of Kajaki Dam. With the image of he dam in the infobox, you can then see all the specifications for the dam below which best describe the dam, not the reservoir. As far as how recent the picture is, all your image shows is a full reservoir but no major changes in the dam itself. It isn't markedly different. As I stated above, the only time you use the image of a lake is when you don't have one of the dam. There are plenty of articles on multi-purpose dams (like Kajaki) and the image of the dam is used. Examples: Hoover Dam, Grand Coulee Dam, Three Gorges Dam, etc. I opened a discussion at Talk:Kajaki Dam as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 18:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The image of choice for the infobox in such cases as this is the one that shows more of the dam and its immediate surrounding (spillways, reservoir, and power stations). The 2004 image you like is being too specific. Viewers and readers want to look at the entire Kajaki project in the infobox. You can see so many other examples in other dam infoboxes. They can look down at the 2004 image that you like in the history part.--Fareed30 (talk) 19:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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DRA Army divisions and continuance after 1992

I refer to this edit. How are we supposed to build the histories of the individual divisions of the DRA army, and their history after 1992, if you remove the numerical designations ? STOP removing the designations !! Buckshot06 (talk) 08:07, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

First of, be civil with others. Secondly, you do not own Misplaced Pages. I've noticed your anti-ANA POV-pushing and please try to relax with that. What is DRA army? I have no idea what you're telling me, after 1992 there was no national army in Afghanistan until 2002.--Fareed30 (talk) 10:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your response Fareed30. It's good we can open a dialogue. Honestly I'm hurt by your saying I have an 'anti-ANA' POV. Would you kindly enlighten me on which specific examples of my POV you're talking about? My general line is to get the best specific academic writing on the subject - usually Antonio Giustozzi of LSE - and add that, in line with Misplaced Pages's policy of using peer-reviewed academic materials as among the best sources we have.

WP:SOURCE specifically says '..Where available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science. '

Secondly, DRA army was the army of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, from 1977ish to 1992. Working from Giustozzi and others, it is clear that division and brigade designations originally first used in the 1977ish-92 period persisted after 1992; the referenced note in the article regarding corps designations makes this clear. Maybe I have not be clear enough on my intentions - some time from now, we should aim to have an article on every unit that served the Afghan Army from 1980 onwards, and how they 'demodernized' (that's a quote from Giustozzi: The Demodernization of an Army: Northern Afghanistan 1992-2001) into the less structured groupings of the 1990s, until the Tailban took over in 1996. That would then enable a thread to be drawn from the 17th Division of the DRA Army in 1988, say, to the 17th Division that fought that skirmish in 2004. But not if the division designation is removed !!

Does this explain what I mean clearly? If not, I'll try and put it another way. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 07:07, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Lionhead99

Let me know if you spot any others, as I'm probably less busy than Moonriddgengirl! Dougweller (talk) 10:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Help me find good images, maps, sources etc. to improve and expand List of Pashtun empires and dynasties. You spend a lot of time on Commons, so find and add relevant pictures and maps relating to Pashtun dynasties to the list if you have time. Mar4d (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I have added some images. If you can find better ones, you can replace the ones that are currently used. Mar4d (talk) 15:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity of the Kapoors

That's an interesting one. I am not sure about this one, because although Peshawar is a mainly Pashto-speaking city, it had a Hindko population since long before the time of partition. The Hindkowans are often called 'Punjabi Pathans' since they are seen as an overlapping group between the two. The following source mentions Kapoors as Hindko-speakers. Mar4d (talk) 13:18, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but if Anil Kapoor describes himself to the world as "Pathan", which is an obscure term, then we just mention it in Misplaced Pages as is. As for "Punjabi", this has always and still is a geographical term. Anyone who is born in Punjab or live according to Punjabi culture then he/she (regardless of ethnicity) may be considered a Punjabi. At the same time, if a Punjabi is born in Pashtun-dominated area (Pashtunistan) and live according to Pashtun culture then he/she (regardless of ethnicity) is considered a Pashtun. This applies to Anil Kapoor's father and that's the reason why Anil describes himself as Pathan.--Fareed30 (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

If he has indeed described himself as a Pathan, it probably has something to do with his family being Pashtunized rather than them being ethnic Pashtuns by blood. Being Pashtunized doesn't rally make you Pathan, as I am sure Pashtun scholars would agree :) But anyway, that article doesn't bother me, I am only having this discussion out of interest. It would be good if you can add a reference on the article for his Pathan connection. Mar4d (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

That's my point, "Pathan" is not ethnicity, it is just a name that was created at some point and applied to people living in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) area. About Pashtuns, they are a mixed people (i.e. Aryans, Greeks, Indians, Turks, Arabs, Pathans and Persians) who developed into a group known in the past as Afghans but today as Pashtuns (in South Asia as Pathans). The elder Kapoors all have that natural Pathan features, i.e. KP looks, as distinct from the common Indian features. One has to admit that they were fluent in Pashto and lived according to Pashtun culture, at least to some extent because you cannot live in Peshawar without doing this.--Fareed30 (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that he is punjabi or hindko by ethnicity as kapoors are by every detail a khatri caste. he describe himself pathan and he mentioned peshawari aswell which clearly depicts he is hindko ..his daughter his brother everybody know they are punjabi but they lived in peshawar so he called himself pathan by culture that is he mentioned his moustache..tell me any pashtun who has kapoor surname..also hindus in afghanistan are called hindki meaning hindko..and madhu jain is a stupid women in her article she has written that they were pathan and he spoke hindko even his love for hindko was that he made a hindko movie too..no pashto movie..madhu jain doesnt even know where lyallpur was she mentioned it between rwp and peshawar.also in her same book randhir kapoor has called thmselves deep rooted punjabis. they are just under identity crisis like in india every khan is pathan but thats not the case like feroz khan is tanoli i.e tanoli is a mughal barla tribe but living in peshawra makes them pathan too or just the khan surname. do u consider every khan to be pathan than my great great granddad was khan too but i know i m not pathan neither was he.. in pakistan people know not every khan is pathan .. prithvi raj kapoor was born in lyallpur and then moved to peshwar . so clearly depicts one thing that he was punjabi but pathan by culture or may have had generation back mixture of punjabi pathan blood. do u think niazis in mianwali are punjabis than i can take kapoor as pathan as imran khan many time has refereed himself as seraiki but that doesnt change the fact that he is pathan from father side and has seraiki blood too but he is pathan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

the thing is kapoor is punjabi caste and i have placed alot of sourced material from different sources but you have just got one sources a youtube video of anil kapoor and madhu jain book..anil kapoorr dcaughter knows what kapoors are maybe they have 10 percent pashtun blood as you report your kabul thing but still he is punjabi and a wanna be pathan.. and same with other kapoors children are punjabi. Now i will report your two sources against myne different n reliable sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saladin1987 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Look how authentic your madhu jain book for kapoor is .at first she mentiona pathan thing as prithviraj was a wannabe just by livingin peshawar doesnt change a hindko to a pashtun.. here is the link read this part of her book

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=l3heZ8I-k9AC&pg=PT14&lpg=PT14&dq=randhir+kapoor+deep+rooted+punjabis&source=bl&ots=-7NQGFMe5y&sig=TXx24xIxPKJ7UsO5m6Y8krOtNk4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TNXyUbiFPMW9kAXWzYDoBQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=randhir%20kapoor%20deep%20rooted%20punjabis&f=false

Also i never said that prithvi raj kapoor and shammi kapoor mention them as pathans but all their family refers them as punjabis. punjabi by ethnicity but pathan by culture. Regarding pashto, madhu jain wrote it herself , even there was an article for his love for hindko and peshawar search on google urself. mate if u dont wana write punjabi instead write hindko which they were but stop puting pashtun

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Go to Talk:Women in Pakistan.--Fareed30 (talk) 13:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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