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Infobox/template

As at Goetterdaemmerung, I am reverting to the previous template the infobox here, the institution of which in politeness might have been discussed with the Opera and/or Wagner projects and with the main contributing editors to the article. As that wasn't undertaken, it can be carried out now on the talk page, here, and I an notifying the projects concerned.--Smerus (talk) 19:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you explain in simple terms why an infobox relating to the work in question is replaced with a generic pciture of Wagner, which apart from the fact that he wrote the piece has nothing to do with the details of the work in question? Agathoclea (talk) 21:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Nobody has to ask projects or other editors for permission to edit articles. That's ownership. If you don't have any good reason why an infobox should not be added to this article, then please cease your disruptive reverting - another clear manifestation of ownership issues. I've reverted your damaging edit. --RexxS (talk) 00:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

What is it with these opera nav boxes in the top? Navboxes should be at the bottom. Infoboxes at the top as a nice summary of the article. I agree with Rexx here. PumpkinSky talk 00:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see the guys from the sogennante Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement coming out to hammer home their objectives. I won't re-revert, of course, but I still await any justification for the infobox. A reasoned discussion, as opposed to just preferring a picture, would be nice.--Smerus (talk) 07:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I've restored the long-standing Composer navbox, which is used consistently for all of Wagner's operas. --Robert.Allen (talk) 08:23, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree; can we then remove the largely redundant template {{Richard Wagner}}? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no connection with QAI, so I refute that particular lie, but I will explain to you that the infobox provides a quickly accessible overview of key facts in the article. It not only provides facts for any reader wanting that brief overview, but it also provides microformats that make the information available for reusers in a standard way, such as "vevent" and "dtstart". In addition, the standardised layout of label-data pairs enables researchers to extract that data from the article far more accurately. By making the information available to broader audiences without predetermining who should be reading or using our content, we improve the article. Readers expect this sort of information to be available, rather than a hidden list of navigation links, which have no place at the top of an article. The argument for consistency with other operas is merely an argument for consistent mediocrity - any and all of those opera articles would be improved by the addition of a well-crafted infobox. Now, please either engage with the arguments presented and quit the ad hominems or revert the damage you've done to this article. --RexxS (talk) 18:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

So, in summary, it offers no advantages. Toccata quarta (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Synopsis

The synopsis section of this article was a very lengthy verbatim quote (and unattributed) from Wagner's 'Mein Leben' in the Ellis translation, and thus not acceptable as content for a Misplaced Pages article. I have therefore deleted it and it therefore needs to be rewritten.--Smerus (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you suppose this could be replaced with an Infobox? --Robert.Allen (talk) 08:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Is this version from 10 August 2005 more acceptable? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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