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*::No worries about that. Niteshift managed to get 48 hours as this is nowhere near his/her first block for edit warring (I think I counted 8 or 9). — ] (]) 00:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC) *::No worries about that. Niteshift managed to get 48 hours as this is nowhere near his/her first block for edit warring (I think I counted 8 or 9). — ] (]) 00:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
*:::You can't count. According to this log it is 5 counting tonight's, and only one of those not counting tonight's took place in the last five years. A fifth block, for sockpuppetry, was placed accidentally and removed. *:::You can't count. According to this log it is 5 counting tonight's, and only one of those not counting tonight's took place in the last five years. A fifth block, for sockpuppetry, was placed accidentally and removed.
*::::Hence why I said "I think". There are 8 or 9 entries, that much is clear. Now please keep discussion centred on one page. If Niteshift wants to appeal his/her block, let 'em. — ] (]) 02:13, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Grapple, you dick

This too, for Twin Peaks.
Lovecraft
Valentich
This is just, like, his opinions, man
Giallo films
Stone's War/Back from the World

Twin Peaks Ratings

I wasn't exactly sure which ones you needed, so I did Episodes 13–15. I found them, including viewer, rating, share, and rank:

Episode 13 Viewers = 11.3 million Rating = 7.6 Share = 14 Seventy-First most-watched show

Episode 14 Viewers = 17.2 million Rating = 10.4 Share = 20 Fifty-first most-watched show

Episode 15 Viewers = 13.3 million Rating = 8.2 Share = 16 Seventieth most-watched show

  1. Donlon, Brian (7 November 1990). "NIELSENS: NBC Wins with Fewer Viewers". USA Today. Retrieved 9 August 2012.
  2. Donlon, Brian (14 November 1990). "NIELSENS: 'Cheers' Sweeps up for NBC". USA Today. Retrieved 9 August 2012.
  3. Donlon, Brian (21 November 1990). "NIELSENS: ABC Pulls Past CBS in Sweeps". USA Today. Retrieved 9 August 2012.

Hope that helps! If you need any more, just ask; I should be able to get quite a few more!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I should be able to stick those all in the article. They match the original numbers, which makes Chicago Sun-Times wrong, but I'm starting to think they're running on a faulty premise (I think they're basing numbers on ratings and not shares, maybe. I dunno). Anyway, thanks! I'm just about to pop the features disc for TXF season 5 in to see if it has anything on "Mind's Eye" for you. GRAPPLE X 11:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
No problem! If you need any more, just ask.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 15:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
I might; I'll be starting the first season soon as I rebought the DVDs I lost. Thanks again. GRAPPLE X 15:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

X-Files Season Seven Abandoned Mythology

I was doing a little digging and I ran into some really sad information regarding season seven and a whole trove of abandoned mythology episodes. Apparently, at the beginning of the season, Carter and Co. were preparing to end the series by revisiting the warring alien factions and the destruction of the Syndicate, but it never came to pass. Do you know anything about this? Seems really too bad that the show didn't go out with a bang instead of the wimper it did.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:30, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, first I'm hearing about that. I always got the feeling that the whole super soldier thing came about the same way MM season 3 did, they had prepared for cancellation too well and needed to think of somewhere to go fast. That might have been an interesting direction but it seems a bit too grand. GRAPPLE X 05:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Good point. Would've been cool to see, though. Also, I guess Krycek and Covarrubias were supposed to take over the Syndicate and side with the rebels, but this too was scrapped. That would have been pretty sweet. Oh well, I guess I have to be contented with season 8 and 9.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 06:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I certainly wouldn't argue with more Covarrubias. I guess "One Son" was them shooting themselves in the foot, especially considering they were under no pressure to kill off the syndicate by that stage. GRAPPLE X 09:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
The more and more I dig into this, the more and more I wish it had ended in s7 with Mulder, or even s8, since Duchovny was still sorta on board. I wish they had touched upon the alien rebels before the show exploded. I guess if a final movie gets made, they could always retcon the series and say that the alien rebels beat the colonists, and thus the colonization never happened. That would be a seriously lame ending, though.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I think a film (or even a comic series, something that's relatively unencumbered by cost) could deal with the actual 2012 invasion being enacted in the face of rebel resistance, maybe a bit like V. GRAPPLE X 19:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Sigh - I loved all the alien warring-factions story arc and much preferred them to the standalone episodes.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
For me it was all about the sneaking around, the earlier alien-oriented episodes where you just get the slightest peek behind the curtain without knowing the full ins and outs of it all. GRAPPLE X 19:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you could tell that after season 5, they didn't know where to go and the mytharc got ridiculous fast. I was cool with most of it, until the whole alien-baby-Jesus thing at the end of season 8 and all of season 9. I wish they made a comic book, honestly. A movie would be sweet, but a comic would still be canon, wouldn't require the actors and actresses, and could be produced cheap enough.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 20:47, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I think the crossover with 30 Days of Night was pretty successful, too, so it would make financial sense. GRAPPLE X 20:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Crossover with 30 Days of Night?! wow....link? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Here you go. GRAPPLE X 21:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Cool....Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh man, I love that crossover, although I still don't know what the timeline is supposed to be.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 02:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Haven't a scooby, to be honest with you. All I know is that Resist or Serve is meant to take place during the seventh season. GRAPPLE X 02:14, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Should that be considered canon? I read that awhile ago and wondered that. I emailed the person who runs EatTheCorn and asked about any info regarding abandoned season seven episodes, and they sent me back an email with some links. Apparently, they were going to make a "Musing of a Cigarette Smoking Man"-type episode that would have explained his motives. In addition, the original series finale would have revolved around Strughold, the Syndicate, the alien invasion, and Samantha. Since they explained Samantha's disappearance, I think they just kind of ran out of steam. Poo.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 02:51, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I believe so, it's an official release. They wouldn't have assigned it a season (and production codes!) if it wasn't meant to be canon. Also more Strughold would have been good. He was surprisingly effective for a one-shot character. Him and Martin Landau were great. GRAPPLE X 02:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I always kind of wondered what happened to him. He just disappeared. As for the game, what was the plot? I've never played it, so I don't know really that much about it. Pretty cool that it was placed in season 7, though.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 06:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, good news; I found viewer info for the first two seasons! Woo!! They're kind of lumped together, since the info is from newspaper scans from USA Today that I found in a TV blog's archive.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 07:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The plot was some awful nonsense about the black oil suddenly turning a whole town into zombies. Then Mulder starts getting weird hallucinations, they visit the gulag from "Tunguska"/"Terma", track down a UFO landing site and shoot a bunch of dogs and old men. GRAPPLE X 16:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Well that's kind of stupid. At least it touched on the black oil mythos. I really despise how they just abandoned that storyarc after the movie.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:55, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I think they figured since the movie showed there was a vaccine that they could write it off. But I'd have liked to have seen more episodes along the vein of "Zero Sum" showing a sort of biochemical arms race. GRAPPLE X 22:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
That would have been sweet. I miss the bees. Unrelated, would you want to help Bruce Campbell and I work on the main article sometime? I feel that it is just sitting there.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:26, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh, that's a scary one. Want to draw up a plan for a heading each or something? GRAPPLE X 23:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I've been messing with the Ratings section, but I'd be fine doing whatever. I think if we all chip in, it will be pretty good. The refs will be scary to have to comb through, though.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I guess we'd have to decide on a format before launching in (I tend to use MM DD, YY) and then individually check them all afterwards to be sure. GRAPPLE X 23:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. I generally use DD MM YYYY just because the template is generated that way. I don't really care that much.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 00:10, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm easy. Could just stick with what's already present I guess. GRAPPLE X 00:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Amazing User Barnstar
Congratulations, Grapple X! I have decided to award you this barnstar because of your simply excellent contributions to the English Misplaced Pages. Thank you very much for all of your hard work here. You truly deserve this, and please enjoy it. Cheers! TBrandley 05:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Support - I just expanded BWV 36 enough for DYK, it was tough, - consider now to nominate it for GA on the Sunday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Nominated, on the Sunday it was written for and first performed, title translates to "Soar joyfully aloft" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Nuclear Barnstar
Looks like CNN has just discovered that the U.S. had plans to nuke the moon. If only they had read the Misplaced Pages article on Project A119. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

For finishing third in the 2012 WikiCup...

Awarded to Grapple X, third place in the 2012 WikiCup! J Milburn and The ed17 16:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

A-Class Stuff

I see that you're busy on your Moon Bombing article (congrats on that!) and "Ice", but if you have time, would you mind voting/commenting on the X-Files A-Class nominations. I think that'll be the last few I nominate for the time being. I need to get them all peer-reviewed/copy-edited before I even approach FAR again.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll see if I can round out any of the half-done ones. I think the trouble is just knowing who has a good eye for FA-quality prose; if editors whose prose is their weak point are the ones reviewing at GA/ACR then grab a copy-edit before going to FAC, but if someone whose prose is impeccable has reviewed it already then you should be okay. GRAPPLE X 23:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Cool. I think I'm going to focus on "Deadalive" next. I'll just get a few people to really copyedit it nice and good.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, I've started work on the main page. Do you want to take "Production"? I've been working on "Broadcast and release". I don't really care who has what.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 01:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tah-dah! What do you think? I think I'll put it up for a copyedit before GA, just to work some of the prose kinks out first.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Looking good! Sorry I haven't been much help with it; between post-cup burnout and NaNoWriMo I'm kinda running on fumes. :P GRAPPLE X 22:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
No worries, I've been using the article to procrastinate on my school work. Just thought I'd get a few bits of advice. I hope your novel turns out well!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:41, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Ruby2010#September 2012, accusing me of "vandalising" "The Young Victoria"

Thanks for commenting! Between you and Cassianto, I didn't even need to really leave the IP a message :) Ruby 2010/2013 21:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Feeling a bit burnt out myself lately so I didn't want to see someone being accosted unnecessarily on top of that. GRAPPLE X 00:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Copy-editing help

Do you know of anyone who'd be willing to copy edit "The Sixth Extinction II" page... again. I'm running into some very frustrating comments at the FAC...--Gen. Quon (Talk) 18:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Short of the GOCE, all I would know are Crisco, who's swamped IRL, and Mark Arsten, who to be honest I don't know what he's up to at the minute. I guess you could ask either but I wouldn't hold out hope for anything immediate, sorry. GRAPPLE X 03:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips. I'll try Mark Arsten, but I have a feeling the FAC will just die on the table. I'll work on it this winter and see about next year.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:32, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Comments at Talk:2012 in film

Hi Grapple X,

I'm getting the impression that for whatever reason, you just have a preconcieved notion that my ideas are bad, and aren't even considering them. It seemed like in your reply about the wide/limited/rereleases, you didn't even bother to check what was actually in the sources and just wanted to post something disagreeing with me as quickly as you could. Also, I certainly didn't appreciate your comment that you were "tired of repeating yourself" when I was making a new proposal to try to address the concerns that had previously been stated (i.e. to list individual countries but to choose them in a non-biased way). Some of your replies, such as the one that started "The bias isn't in the assumption . . .", seemed to state points that I was in agreement on as if I had disagreed on them, making me think you didn't read to the end of my original comment. I'm basically feeling a lot of passive-aggressiveness in your replies that I think is unintentional, but is still very off-putting to me. I want to assure you that I'm trying to help make the article better, and that we are in agreement that it has problems with bias, and in agreement that the article needs work to make it be focused on the world as a whole rather than select Anglosphere nations. We may be in disagreement on how exactly to fix the article, but I ask that you please actually consider my suggestions, or at least try not to reply to them in a way that misstates facts or makes it seem like we disagree on points where we actually agree. Calathan (talk) 00:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I didn't realise that the refs given for the films' release would cover the notion of wide/limited release, I suppose I expected that field to be cited in itself rather than realising the whole row used one ref; that was a mistake on my behalf. I'll clarify that on the talk page for other readers when I'm done here (though for what it's worth, the actual meaning of wide/limited releases is still of narrow scope—including the fact that we don't even state where the release is considered wide or not—and should be defined on the page if it's being used). I certainly don't mind the "R" for re-releases as that's not a question of bias, either a film was released before or it wasn't; a film released in one region can't be un-released, after all. As for being tired of repeating myself, I've several times on that page, in edit summaries when fixing problems, or at WT:FILM or related talk pages had to repeat points when editors (and I don't mean to imply you when I say that) have overlooked or missed explanations being given (several knee-jerk reverts, for example, followed any changes which had been already hashed out on the talk page, including things as simple as listing Yash Chopra's death, which is exactly the kind of thing I was/am tired of re-doing). As for the passage you cited ("The bias isn't in the assumption . . ."), I still feel your point was that it was of interest to readers to see the regional grosses which were given, while I was stating that the simple giving regional grosses are what is problematic, but the assumption that we should stick to the ones that had already been there—I did see that you suggested changing the fields to something less arbitrary but it also seemed that you were defending the initial ones as well (essentially I took your response as "I see no problem with what we have, but if there is a problem here is a Plan B", and as I had no issue with Plan B, simply refuted the part I did disagree with). In terms of feeling that I'm being brusque or passive-aggressive, I point you to the talk header up there—I am a bastard, but I don't mean to aim it at anyone in particular, so I'm sorry if that's the impression you've been left with. GRAPPLE X 00:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I just want to thank you for replying. It actually made me feel a lot better about interacting with you here. Anyway, about the numbers in the table of highest grossing films, I understand that numbers from specific countries aren't necessary for the article, and I'm taking the lack of other replies to suggest that most people disagree with me about having them. I'm fine with leaving those off if no one else speaks up in favor of them (though I still personally think having some numbers for specific countries would make the article better). Calathan (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I think the numbers like that would probably be best suited to those articles listed at Lists of number one box-office films; tables like the one at 2012 in film could easily be geared towards each individual territory there, and given much more depth than it would have enjoyed in the broader article. There is definitely room for the material, it's always just a matter of where is right to put it, and how is best to present it. GRAPPLE X 02:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Batman: Arkham City

Hey Grapple, hoping to catch you before the holiday period in case you won't be around. I want to nominate this article for FA, now IMO it's comprehensive of all available info, but I noted during GA you said there was a substantial gap in coverage that would need to be filled before it can go to FA. Can you give me some idea what needs doing? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

What I meant at that time was that the Wii U version hadn't been released—and therefore documented—yet; I imagine that's all been handled by now though so the scope should be fine. GRAPPLE X 20:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Thought that might be it but wanted to make sure, thanks GX, I will submit it for FA then. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Good luck! GRAPPLE X 20:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Done! Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Grapple, sorry to bother you but I'm being told that I need a co-nominator for the Batman FAC as you're only allowed to have one FAC active at a time. SandyGeorgia says that its so you can be around to make edits and what not but I don't think you should have to depending on how long input takes and if and when I hear back about a job so i'd just need the nom from you if you are willing. If not let me go and I will try someone else. Thanks for reading. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I had assumed one of the nominations was already co-nominated. I don't mind helping out but I'd feel dishonest taking credit for the article as I'm mostly patrolling it for vandalism or discussion. I'd say you'd probably be better asking one of the film editors to co-nominate with Prometheus; IllaZilla seems very active there. If you're really stuck I'll definitely put my name down to help you out though. GRAPPLE X 20:21, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it means you're taking credit for it, just agreeing that it should be considered for FA. I can ask Illazilla, but won't it be weird for him to nominate it 5 days after discussion began? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
It's your call, really; though a third nominator was added to the FAC for "Episode 14" (Twin Peaks) after a fair bit so it's not unheard of. If you'd rather have Batman be the co-nominated one then stick me down, I can vouch for the article's scope, stability and neutrality (FA criteria 2–4). GRAPPLE X 21:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

End of Year wrap up

Happy holidays Grapple. If its at all not an inconvenience, can you close some of the nominations? I think it would be great to get most of the noms taken care of before the end of the year. GamerPro64 03:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Bollocks! Was about to promote the Capcom topic—wanted to wait until you'd finished the Pacific command one so it didn't confuse the article counts. Let me know when you're done for the day and I'll pick one up then. GRAPPLE X 20:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Terribly sorry Grapple. I didn't get an answer so I assumed you were busy. But yeah I'm done for right now. GamerPro64 20:32, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I should have said something. Well if you're done I'll have a look at what's next in the queue then. Thanks for working so quickly through those, too. GRAPPLE X 20:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome. Though I find that me getting through them so quickly to be ironic as I had internet problems earlier. GamerPro64 20:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Have a merry christmas Grapple, and a lovely looking brownie too. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much; have a great one yourself. I'll go easy on the brownies, or else I'll be baked enough to eat the whole turkey. GRAPPLE X 00:46, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
:O Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if it's by design or coincidence but outside of stoner culture brownies are rare as hen's teeth here; they haven't really crossed the pond in their family-friendly form (not that a serious hot box isn't a damn good family activity or anything). GRAPPLE X 00:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Why, where are you locateD? Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:10, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Ireland. GRAPPLE X 00:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Ah ok, i'm in the UK, was gonna say, we have brownies. Lol,though they're not associated with that culture as far as I am aware over here either. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday Cheer

Holiday Cheer
Michael Q. Schmidt is wishing you Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings. - MQS
Thanks! Have a great one yourself, and don't forget it's difficult being an airport at Christmas. GRAPPLE X 17:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas
Hey Grapple, hope you are doing well. Haven't seen you at GAC/DYK much, but then again I haven't been there much either. Keep safe over the holidays, and a merry Christmas for you and yours! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Hey man, thanks for the cheer. Have a good one yourself! Haven't been doing much as November was taken up with off-wiki writing and retail workers aren't allowed to have December to themselves ever, but I should be making some fresh inroads in January. Hope your holidays are grand. GRAPPLE X 17:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:RSN

FYI: In order to get some clarification on the tagging of self-published sources, I brought up my tag and your revert in List of The X-Files episodes in Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Tagging of self-published sources. Cheers! Location (talk) 17:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Have responded there, thanks for the ping. GRAPPLE X 17:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

An award

The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Well my Christmas wish is to see you with a 50 DYK award just quickly enough to avoid it being pointless as I have little doubt that you have one more to add to your score of 99. I'd like to thank you on behalf of the DYK project, the wiki and me for your contributions. Hope the Wiki cup goes well again next year. Best wishes Victuallers (talk) 22:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much! I have #100 cooking in a sandbox, haven't had the energy to go finish it off what with the holiday rush at work but if you're an Al Pacino fan, look out for it. Hope the holiday's a good one for you. GRAPPLE X 00:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

That problem with the rollback button

Don't worry, I've done the same thing loads of times. Glimmer721 00:50, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

nobody answer me in the consensus

nobody answer me in the consensus to change the nationality http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Prometheus_ (film) # Nationality I would like to further discuss the issue why you do not participate more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MervinVillarreal (talkcontribs) 01:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Because I've said all I have to say; your own unwillingness to collaborate rather than demand is what reduces others' willingness to continue debating. I've already left a comment yesterday (possibly the day before) expressing a preference for not using a nationality at all as classifying dual-nationality films only foster edit wars while offering no useful information; I see you've made no reply to that. Why do you not collaborate more? GRAPPLE X 01:07, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


the problem is this, all companies that produce the movie are American, all have their headquarters there, and the film is also distributed by an American company, why the movie can not be "American"? to my knowledge, there is no a UK production that makes the movie is British film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MervinVillarreal (talkcontribs) 01:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

But this is clearly false, as the production is heavily English, involving Scott Free Productions, Ridley Scott and the Pinewood/Shepperton studio work. If you're going to keep ignoring that then it should be clear why others ignore you. GRAPPLE X 01:16, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Scott Free Productions is based in California, USA.

Ridley Scott has no bearing on the origin of the film, then, titanic is a Canadian-American film for James.

what is your source of Pinewood / Shepperton studio produced the movie?MervinVillarreal (talk) 01:22, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

It's cited twice in the actual article, which I expressly fucking told you the last time you asked the exact same thing. Try reading for a change. GRAPPLE X 01:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
As for Scott Free, here's their website. Let me quote: "Scott Free has offices in London and Los Angeles".
"Scott Free has offices in London"
"in London"
"London".
GRAPPLE X 01:25, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

do not insult me, lucer I have a picture.. MervinVillarreal (talk) 01:29, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Indignation is the last resort of the outmanoeuvred; if you've nothing useful to add then I'd ask you to quit bothering me and find another outlet for your jingoistic revisionism. I suggest Risk. GRAPPLE X 01:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

no worries, thanks for the help - A nation that tries to imitate to the original ends up as ash in the air. - Venezuelan writer. Have a great new year MervinVillarreal (talk) 01:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hey Grapple, long time no see. I've managed to find time to write a fairly nice article and was wondering if you could give it a once-over. It's a little nasty, though... Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Sure thing, man. Reading over it now. I'm immediately struck by how the title has a slash while the poster doesn't; is there a poster available which does include this slash? GRAPPLE X 13:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
"General Suharto destroys the coup and urges the Indonesian populace to commemorate those killed fight against all forms of communism." -> If this is intended as I believe it is (fight communism to commemorate the dead), try "General Suharto destroys the coup and urges the Indonesian populace to commemorate those killed by resisting all forms of communism".
"The Army" shouldn't be capitalised, it's a generic term rather than the official "Indonesian Army" name (cf "Taoiseach Enda Kenny" versus "Enda Kenny, the taoiseach")
"living care free" -> I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is either hyphenated or one word.
"The bodies and prisoners are taken to the G30S/PKI camp in Lubang Buaya, where they are tortured, and killed" -> "The bodies and prisoners are taken to the G30S/PKI camp in Lubang Buaya, where the survivors are tortured and killed"
"plotting "every move the last detail"" -> missing a word here
"The film was in 1984, the first commercially-released domestic feature film to deal with the events of 1965." -> same again, should probably be "was released in 1984"
Other than that I think it seems grand. Didn't give it too stern a combing in case you want me to review it fully in the future. GRAPPLE X 16:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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Happy New Year and Comment

Hey there Grapple. Happy 2013. Though it may be a more interesting year due to all the civil controversy. And it seems Wizardman has retired because of it. While I have seen him to this once or twice before, this time may be permanent so you and I will have to up our A-game at FTC. GamerPro64 23:26, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Agus bhlian nua shona duit. I noticed Wizardman's retirement but his wording seemed to imply he'd still be around, just not doing much outside of content creation. As for FTC, I'm happy enough to promote the earliest hurricane topic tonight if you're in agreement with that; other than that it's a little slow for the time being and might be another week before the other noms are due to be processed. I believe I've one due to nominate myself soon (one more GA to bother myself to write and it's ready) so if Wizardman's out I'll be relying on you or another volunteer to process that; I don't mind doing the legwork if you've anything coming down the pipe too. GRAPPLE X 23:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. Yeah it may be too early to think he's done all together. But if I'm wrong he can change the edit I made to the header. But yeah you can promote the hurricane topic when you get around to it. GamerPro64 23:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

A conversation that may be of interest to you:

Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_jingoistic_behaviour_by_User:MervinVillarreal

Thought you might be interested in this discussion currently taking place. MisterShiney 18:57, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I saw it, but it was resolved with a block before I even got home. Seems dealt with, but thanks for the heads up. GRAPPLE X 19:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

GA

Just a heads up: Talk:Laborintus II/GA1 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Working on it now in two open tabs. Thanks for getting it so quickly! If you've anything you need reviewed just pester me about it when I get this finished. GRAPPLE X 23:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

May I have your opinion?

User VasOling on The Dark Knight Rises article insists on saying it received "a warm critical response" in the lede. And that it received positive reviews from "most" critics. I believe this is against practice on most film articles, as "most" is arguably incorrect. I've started a discussion on The Dark Knight Rises talk page and stated my reasons there and informed him of the discussion, but he has a history of edit warring, so I'm not sure if he's going to listen. Now he said "The Dark Knight Rises received praises from most critics," and I know for a fact that he knows about the discussion, but it doesn't seem like he has no intention to participate.

I've reverted him once already. May I have your opinion on the article's talk page? Anthonydraco (talk) 11:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Les Misérables

Hello and Happy New Year! :) I made a suggestion that was quoted at Talk:Les Misérables (2012 film)#Cast billing and subsequently added some detail in a follow-up comment. Trappist the monk thinks you would disagree with the suggested approach. I'm curious to know what you think. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Have made a brief comment. Thanks for the ping, I'd dropped the page from my watchlist. GRAPPLE X 19:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/National Film Award for Best Actress/archive1

Hi, any chance by which you could review this list? —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Collaboration?

So, what do you think about Asian films? Want to join in, assuming the Cup lets you collaborate? This can definitely get to GA, maybe even FA once the d*mn DVD comes out. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

  • BTW, I dumped about 20 English-language sources there if you're interested in helping. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
    Well I've never seen one that wasn't Chinese or Japanese (though I did try watching Oldboy once but the disc was too scratched to play); I'll certainly comb through some of the English sources for you today. GRAPPLE X 16:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
    Kewlz, so that could be another... 15 + 30, I think, assuming we get a fairly quick GA review. Not sure when the darned DVD will come out; I haven't seen it in stores yet. Sang Penari too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
    Couldn't find anything for the film using any of the English-language sites I'd usually go to; Empire and Total Film gave no useful hits, The A.V. Club was the same. Couldn't track it down in the BFI's website and AllRovi lists it but has no actual content on it. If there's no DVD release over in your neck of the woods I guess that's not surprising though. GRAPPLE X 00:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
    I piled a list of English reviews at the bottom (those hyperlinks to The Jakarta Post, The Jakarta Globe, and a couple others). I got caught up in doing Darah dan Doa after Dr. B. stubbed it, so I haven't gotten back to this yet. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
    Ah, assumed with those titles they'd be Greek to me. :( GRAPPLE X 16:21, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
    Hehe. Nah, those sources are surprisingly all in English (and some of them are film festivals). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
In particular for the ongoing discussion on Star Trek into Darkness regarding a pesky little I. At the end of the day, it may not have been resolved but we all did work together to try and get it sorted, even if we did feel at times we were banging our heads on our desks and calling our computer screens idiots. MisterShiney 14:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
"Feel"? :P Thanks for the star, though. Not sure I really did that much though, but still. GRAPPLE X 17:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I did wonder how I got that tennis ball shape lump on my heard.... MisterShiney 17:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Film lists for Indonesia

Exhibit 1

So, what do you think I should do for a proper list of Indonesian films? Should I go by year (i.e. 1950 in Indonesian cinema, 1951 in Indonesian cinema, etc.), by five years (i.e. List of Indonesian films (1950–1954), List of Indonesian films (1955–1959), or by decade (i.e. List of Indonesian films (1950–1959), List of Indonesian films (1960–1969)). As you can see from the graph, if I want the most detail (like at List of films of the Dutch East Indies) I should go by the year, but that'll leave me with some really short freaking lists around 1998 through 2001. If I go by half decade it might be more manageable, but that's a weird way to divide it up. If I go by decade, the 1970s will be huge (614 films total). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

  • I'd say it wouldn't be too hard to have uneven divisions; I think you should try dividing it by article size rather than by equal spans—pre-70s can be lumped together, 70s can be split as 70–74 and 75–79, and the rest divided maybe by decade or the like. I think between 150 and 250 films would be an ideal average but in sticking to that don't use odd ranges just to keep it exact (if 70–74 is going to give 400, say, then just go with that instead of going 70–73). Though to be honest, someone like The Rambling Man or Giants would know about ideal scope better than me. GRAPPLE X 16:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Just a case of being sensible and being able to defend the position. Instead of splitting evenly, if that's lop-sided, split it another way. I'd avoid going beyond a hundred or so per list, what would that result in? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

  • By year, give or take. They average about 60 to 70 annually, although 1973 saw some 130 productions. Alright, how's this...
1950 through 1954 - Yearly
1955 through 1969 - Per five years
1970 through 1994 - Yearly
1995 through 2005 - Per five years
2006 + - Yearly
That gives an average of about 100 films per article, although some (like 1970) will end up short and some (like 1955 to 1959) will be quite a bit longer — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I think anything that gives a decent and even split and can be defended, as you've done here very well, will be fine. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

ITNC

Just a heads up that ive now changd the blurb. Feel free to reword it further.Lihaas (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I've responded; I still think the item is not worth the nomination as we'd essentially be reporting on month-and-a-half old news. GRAPPLE X 22:26, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Ive updated he latest, more injuries and violence. Better late than never?
Also isnt this good to generate more discussion on the move?Lihaas (talk) 23:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
Isn't there something better suited to move requests? What you added was a merge proposal, which is designed to take content from two article to create one article (like turning several TV episode articles into just an article for one season, or merging Myra Hindley and Ian Brady into Moors murders). There are a few better templates Misplaced Pages:Template messages/Moving#Article cleanup here that could be used instead. GRAPPLE X 23:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Party!

I *just* realized... after "Unrequited" is GA-reviewed, all of The X-Files' episodes will be GAs. Is that a first for a TV project?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 02:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

You know, I'm pretty sure it is. Only The Simpsons probably has more GAs than us and they're only halfway through. By the way, did you catch that The A.V. Club now use our articles when they're writing reviews? The shoe's on the other foot now. GRAPPLE X 02:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, I did. When they mentioned the "real-life" thing, I checked the article, but couldn't find it. Then I saw your commented and had to chuckle. I guess it's some sort of symbiosis. Although it is cool that The AV Club, which I regard as a pretty legit review site, uses our work. Neat stuff.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Uncle David peer review

Hey Grapple; just want to say thanks so much for reviewing the article; I didn't think anyone was gonna touch it! Much appreciated Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Not a bother at all. You've given me a few PRs in the past so I knew I owed you one. GRAPPLE X 14:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mit Gas

The article Mit Gas you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Mit Gas for things which need to be addressed. Puffin 16:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Good Article Barnstar
For all of your work on Mit Gas, which became a good article! Puffin 17:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much! GRAPPLE X 17:35, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Dream

Episode 2's dream was listed as the fourth best sci-fi dream sequence by SFX recently. Thought you might like that. By the way, I finished Episode 12 Friday. Glimmer721 02:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Fourth? Ooh, you're closing in on the big reveal. I can't remember if you said you knew or not who it was. GRAPPLE X 02:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I was kind of expecting #1, but close enough. And all I know is BOB. Glimmer721 00:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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You have some nerve.

This is how you operate in a nut-shell - enter an edit war with someone already struggling to fend off another revert spammer, refuse to justify your edits until pushed, then have the audacity to threaten said user with a ban for trying to prevent the other reverter from removing useful, well-recognised information. And then you put that laughably pathetic 'warning' banner at the top of the new section page, as if that's supposed to make a difference.

Typical tactics from someone who has no way of working this out in a mature way - just throw mud at people then ban them when they refuse to bow down, regardless of how much substance and credibility there is to their point.

Go fuck yourself. You're the one who ignored both common consensus and the three-revert rule while operating in the belief that your own personal opinion matters, when it doesn't. Take your unwarranted high horse and shove it up your ass. GRAPPLE X 20:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Re: WP:NCF

Hey, with regard to our recent interaction on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Film#Variant titles of foreign films?: I would be very interested in seeing a change to the NCF on the matter of official titles vs. the titles home video distributors come up with. One of the problem articles I was talking about, Taboo (1999 film) is apparently actually better-known by its Japanese title Gohatto, but because of one disruptive editor I am at the moment unable to even add the fact that it has been released in several English-speaking countries under this title, much less request a move. I don't know how many articles like this there are, but I found another one not long ago. It would be so much easier than Googling all variant titles under a whole bunch of different variables, if we could actually call all the films by their official titles. Are you by any chance still interested in such a proposal? I will be there with bells on! (^_^)/ (I don't actually feel comfortable proposing such a change myself, as I am not a member of WikiProject Film and don't intend to become one, although the disruptive editor mentioned above is a member of Film and not of Japan and made such a suggestion on WikiProject Japan...) elvenscout742 (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I've certainly been meaning to bring it up, especially as in some cases there's been articles passing GA and FA reviews with their real titles instead of translations, which points to a changing view on the matter. I'll see if I can come up with a good proposal some time tomorrow afternoon GMT, possibly this evening if the coffee holds out. My film work frequently focusses on gialli from Italy, which as you can see often have multiple translated titles, which has been a point of contention in the past. I'll see what I can come up with soon then. GRAPPLE X 02:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I'll be there with bells on!
(What follows is just a rambling story about my experiences on this topic. If you're interested and you enjoy a good rant, read on.) Most Japanese films have one main English title, although sometimes the UK (and Ireland etc.) prefer a romanized Japanese title. This is problematic in that some Wikipedians consider it redundant to give the native title twice (once as the native title, and once as the UK English variant). However, this only really applies to modern films that have been released globally by a variety of DVD/Blu-Ray distributors, and I just discovered that someone has been going around creating articles on obscure pre-War films (i.e., films that were never released outside Japan and the then-part-of-Japan Korean Peninsula and Taiwan, and possibly Manchukuo) under titles that only exist in filmography lists in books about the directors, or on IMDb! This is getting out of hand.
elvenscout742 (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
NCF already says that we should use the original title if there is no official title. Other translations that are given by scholars don't even belong in the opening, unless they are being given as a gloss because the article uses the original title. elvenscout742 (talk) 04:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh I agree entirely! I was just quoting the guideline as it stands now, but it is my view as well that it should be changed. I agree with what Grapple X said to me on the above mention project page that the "official English title" is usually a marketing decision made by a company that actually has nothing to do with the film itself. elvenscout742 (talk) 04:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I generally worked with Japanese literature until about a month ago when I decided to branch out. I edited Misplaced Pages articles on numerous topics, including Japanese cinema, from 2005 to 2008, before taking a long break until summer 2012. When I came back to Japanese films last month, I found that one particularly stubborn and not very polite user had basically seized control of all of the articles, and any edit he didn't like (in addition to all edits from me, whether he liked them or not) tend to get reverted. (I'm still working on this.) elvenscout742 (talk) 05:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh, that. Saw that thread. Pity...
(luckily?) I'm essentially alone in Indonesian lit, film, and music articles. Don't think I've ever gotten past 2RR on those articles. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:20, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Updated DYK queryOn 18 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Anonymous (Tomahawk album), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tomahawk's third album Anonymous was based on Native American compositions researched by guitarist Duane Denison? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anonymous (Tomahawk album). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
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Signpost question

Hi Grapple X, would you and GamerPro64 be willing to give a short (100-150 words each) commentary on featured topics promoted this year that you consider especially well prepared, interesting, or representative of what Wikipedians do well? It should end up looking like this. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

100–500 each or altogether? If the latter, here you (if the former, poke again til I give it):
"Although 2012 regrettably saw several periods with little progress, with welcome the return of GamerPro64 we have seen several interesting topics promoted—in addition to the usual Misplaced Pages strong points of numismatics, military history and meteorology, the year has also been a strong one for music with topics promoted featuring a mezzo-soprano wunderkind and an Indonesian legend. Sport saw a strong showing, too, with both baseball and motorcycle racing seeing hugely comprehensive topics put through, which reflect the ability of FT to showcase vast spans of knowledge in surprisingly deep chunks. My personal favourite of our 2012 topics was also the year's least—a topic on the Armero tragedy reminded me that there's still room to encapsulate subjects that are entirely new to the process, and to use the idea of a topic to explore an event rather than something that obviously lends itself to the process like a series of lists or a serried history."
If you'd like anything on GT I could manage that, too. GRAPPLE X 02:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

The Mirror Never Lies

Okay, I finished it and nominated it (with you as co-nom). Question though: I found a list of nominations which checks out with the number of nominations in another source. Issue is, no supersources have the list of nominations. KapanLagi is an entertainment website, but it's reliability at the FAC level will be doubtful. It's better than other places that reproduced this list, including blogs. So, question: should we use this, or let just the wins be in the (now growing) table? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. That's pretty hard to say; I'd like to say go with the bigger list but I don't know if it'd hold up to scrutiny. Then again I'm no expert in the field. Maybe WP:RSN would be of use? Betty Logan is also quite good at making these kind of judgement calls, especially with film articles. GRAPPLE X 19:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

RE: Newsted's Metal

Hi, I own a digital copy of the album. The digital booklet only contains handwritten lyrics, there are no song writing credits listed in it. I would assume Jason wrote the songs though; this Blabbermouth article states that the lyrics in the digital booklet were handwritten by Jason. The1337gamer (talk) 21:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair do. I guess I can just credit it all to the band as a whole, covers any necessary bases. Thanks anyway! GRAPPLE X 21:23, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Mirror Never Lies

Updated DYK queryOn 24 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Mirror Never Lies, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the film The Mirror Never Lies was co-produced by a former Miss Indonesia winner? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Mirror Never Lies. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
KTC (talk) 08:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mit Gas

Updated DYK queryOn 25 January 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mit Gas, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that vocalist Mike Patton described the tour schedule to promote Tomahawk's Mit Gas as "a lot of time to be sitting in some stinking-ass club with some guy puking in your purse"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mit Gas. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
KTC (talk) 16:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Reviews

Greetings. I was wondering if you could review Tenhemad for me? Anything you want reviewed?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Might be busy for the next two or three days but I'll get looking at it. GRAPPLE X 14:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Can you reserve the review then?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment

Hey Grapple X - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Notifying you that Batman Arkham City is up for FAC

I've nominated this article again, it failed last time not through opposition but lack of interest. It's a quality article encompassing all the available information in a neat, presentable and interesting way, so I hope you can lend your voice to the discussion if you have the time. Thanks for reading. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 January newsletter

Signups are now closed; we have our final 127 contestants for this year's competition. 64 contestants will make it to the next round at the end of February, but we're already seeing strong scoring compared to previous years. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) currently leads, with 358 points. At this stage in 2012, the leader (Irish Citizen Army Grapple X (submissions)) had 342 points, while in 2011, the leader had 228 points. We also have a large number of scorers when compared with this stage in previous years. Florida 12george1 (submissions) was the first competitor to score this year, as he was last year, with a detailed good article review. Some other firsts:

Featured articles, portals and topics, as well as good topics, are yet to feature in the competition.

This year, the bonus points system has been reworked, with bonus points on offer for old articles prepared for did you know, and "multiplier" points reworked to become more linear. For details, please see Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Scoring. There have been some teething problems as the bot has worked its way around the new system, but issues should mostly be ironed out- please report any problems to the WikiCup talk page. Here are some participants worthy of note with regards to the bonus points:

  • United States Ed! (submissions) was the first to score bonus points, with Portland-class cruiser, a good article.
  • Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions) has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on Enrico Fermi, now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
  • Chicago HueSatLum (submissions) claimed bonus points for René Vautier and Nicolas de Fer, articles that did not exist on the English Misplaced Pages at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of other Wikipedias.

Also, a quick mention of British Empire The C of E (submissions), who may well have already written the oddest article of the WikiCup this year: did you know that the Fucking mayor objected to Fucking Hell on the grounds that there was no Fucking brewery? The gauntlet has been thrown down; can anyone beat it?

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 00:21, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Anonymous (Tomahawk album)/GA1

Hi, I've placed this GAN on hold for a week, with issues noted on the page. I'll be checking in at least once a day to see how progress is going. Good luck! WesleyDodds (talk) 11:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The Mirror Never Lies again

Think we could go to GAC with such a short plot summary? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely. Think of it this way, the problem is usually that plots are too long, so you've avoided that one right out of the gates. :P GRAPPLE X 08:16, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Pointing fingers

I'm going to blame this on your album articles. As a side note, somehow his articles are all a mess. Case in point. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm an awful person. Though yeah, some of those are surprisingly stubby. Just for You looks good, though. GRAPPLE X 17:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

HUGE CONGRATS!!

"Unrequited" just passed GA, so that means that ALL of The X-Files episodes have been promoted to GA. I think this might be a first on Misplaced Pages, or at least a first for a long-running television series. Now if the season four page can get promoted, we'll have all the seasons DONE. That's really cool.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:33, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Now you've only got a few characters, actors and other production staff, and FA endeavors ;) Glimmer721 21:52, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I think we can do it! I'll try to keep chipping away, if I don't get distracted.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 23:42, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
Happy days! I'm pretty sure that's a first for the site. We've still some fiddly things to get seen to, but I think we might be able to work through some of the crew for the likes of DYK quite easily now—I was pleasantly surprised to see Cliff Bole at DYK due to Star Trek fans working on the article, and as we know, Howard Gordon, Alex Gansa and Vince Gilligan are all doing fantastic now with new shows. GRAPPLE X 23:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
The synergy between a lot of franchises is interesting. Now we just need to finish that Scully article that's been on the back burner forever. :P--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:47, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Well done to all of you! This just has to be an achievement -- definitely something for all other series to emulate (especially Fringe!). Perfect example of editors collaborating and focusing on good content, rather than getting bogged down in administrative details (something that seems to be becoming increasingly rarer at this site). Keep up the good work! Ruby 2010/2013 06:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

This is definitely a first, but Fringe will probably be the second! Glimmer721 01:59, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Attack page

Someone created an attack page against you here. I thought you should know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.118.187.9 (talk) 01:28, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. I needed a good laugh. GRAPPLE X 01:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Aww... GRAPPLE X 01:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

There is another attack page here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.118.187.9 (talk) 01:47, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

LOL, of all the editors on this site, I think Grapple X is the last one I've seen "attack" someone for no reason causing, with a history of "long-term abuse".--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

FTC

Could you close some of the nominations? Seem to not having a chance to close them myself. GamerPro64 16:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Your message to a certain user on a certain film talk page was exactly what I was thinking. Have a pie. :) MisterShiney 21:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh, thanks. I'm just after dinner so that'll hit the spot nicely. I hope it's cherry. GRAPPLE X 21:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Is there any other kind? ;) On that note I have now closed the conversation. Hopefully the guy will get the idea and move on. If not, he was been warned sufficiently for the matter to be taken further (again). MisterShiney 22:46, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Well it depends. There's the good kind and the awful kind. And don't hold out too much hope, even if this particular article has seen the end of it, he'll just find something else equally as baselessly jingoistic to do. He did last time. Ah well. GRAPPLE X 22:48, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Thought you ought to know

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. MisterShiney 23:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

On my way, thanks. GRAPPLE X 00:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Apologies for putting your talk page on Blake's. Major Malfunction on my part. MisterShiney 00:21, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
It's probably the most outlandish mistake I've seen in a while, definitely raised a chuckle. :P GRAPPLE X 00:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Newsletter - February 2013

The WikiProject Good articles Newsletter
Volume IV, No. 2 – February 2013

For past newsletters click here

In This Issue



Notification of discussion

A few months ago, you participated in a discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know about Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page. I am proposing that the temporary restrictions on such DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012, should be lifted and have set out a case for doing so at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know/Gibraltar-related DYKs. If you have a view on this, please comment at that page. Prioryman (talk) 21:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Sweet holy prepuce, has that still not been lifted yet? GRAPPLE X 22:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

GOCE February 2013 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors February 2013 events newsletter

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A beer for you!

On da house! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 22:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I'll drink to that! GRAPPLE X 00:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Reference.
Head.
? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
JVdB = JVDB = Dawson? GRAPPLE X 00:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey now...

This edit summary is probably a bit over the line. Calling someone a douche based on their first edit is not a very friendly way to greet a new editor. Take some care when you're making jokes. --Jayron32 06:21, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Because I check the edit history of every spammer. :/ GRAPPLE X 06:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Regardless, you still shouldn't call people "douche". It reflects badly on you, and generates a generally unfriendly environment (even to non-douches) to work in. --Jayron32 06:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Yep. Cleaning up unconstructive bullshit is best done with a smile and a held hand. Gotcha. GRAPPLE X 06:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
:) --Jayron32 06:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

X-Files ratings

I found this site: http://www.tvtango.com/series/x_files/episodes?filters%5Bday%5D=&filters%5Bseason%5D=8&filters%5Bbroadcast%5D=No&filters%5Bmedia%5D=&commit.x=25&commit.y=12

Do you think it is reliable for Nielsen ratings? It is under the command of Maj Canton, who apparently "started her career in documentary and reality programming" and "served as Executive Director of Development at the Larry Thompson Organization and then as a consultant to NBC Entertainment." A google search of the name turns up quite a few hits for books that she's written.

I'm leaning towards yes, but I thought I should check.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 01:12, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

She certainly seems to fall under the "expert SPS" category but I'd maybe run it by WP:RS for a second opinion on that. GRAPPLE X 17:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Money No Enough WP:GAR

I have requested a GAR for Money No Enough, which I feel does not meet our GA criteria. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble07:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

GOCE news: February 2013

Guild of Copy Editors Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/February 2013 wrap-up

Participation: Out of 19 people who signed up for this blitz, 9 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: During the six-day blitz, we removed over twenty articles from the requests queue. Hope to see you at the March drive in a few days! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Torchiest, BDD and Miniapolis.

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GAN review

Hi! You were recommended by Gerda as a good GA reviewer, and the GAN American Saddlebred/GA1 has been languishing a bit. Dana boomer and I worked on it, Dana is in the wikicup, and I was hoping we could get someone to trot over (pun intended) and start the review. Dana has one or two other articles in the queue, and we are starting on another soon. If you haven't the time, perhaps give one of your friends a ping? Thanks! Montanabw 23:25, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 February newsletter

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:

  1. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), primarily for an array of warship GAs.
  2. London Miyagawa (submissions), primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
  3. New South Wales Casliber (submissions), due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with Alaska Keilana (submissions), this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by British Empire The C of E (submissions): did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) J Milburn (talk) 11:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Well done for reaching the 100 DYK milestone! You are at 101 and counting :-) — AARON 17:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted

Updated DYK queryOn 3 March 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Jason Newsted has recorded songs with Metallica, Voivod and several musical supergroups? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Laborintus II

Any word yet when you'll be taking this to FAC? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Not sure to be honest, man. I think it's in good nick but I might try shopping it around a little more first, either a second PR or just a general talk message at one of the music projects to have a once-over at it. I managed to have the GOCE copy-edit "Ice" (another X-File) so it might be nominated in the interim. Sorry it took so long to get back to. Blame effete ninjas. GRAPPLE X 22:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Anonymous GA review

Hey Grapple X - I did a GA review of Anonymous (Tomahawk album), and then noticed that you haven't edited for a while. I'm not sure if your break is planned or unexpected, but if you do return in the next few days, you can read and respond to my comments here. Take care, Moswento 10:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, man. Really appreciate the review; will be on it like Max Clifford on a has-been in about 20 minutes. GRAPPLE X 22:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
No worries, whenever you have the time in the next few days. Moswento 21:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback deployment

Hey Grapple X; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Second Opinion

I am not entirely sure wither or not to close this FTRC yet. While the majority are voting for delist, two articles that need to be part of the topic are currently at GAN. What do you think? GamerPro64 00:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd say delist, Halo 4 isn't at GAN yet and even at that the queues can run for weeks. There's no fallow period after a delisting so even if everything passes GAN the second it's delisted it then it can be renominated at leisure. Also sorry for the delay, I've kind of been surgically attached to the xbox this past while. GRAPPLE X 22:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

"Deadalive" Concerns

The FAN for "Deadline" has been inactive for quite awhile. However, a reviewer went through and argued that, because a majority of the references are from Fox products (DVDs, commentaries, websites), that "very little of represents independent sourcing". I'm failing miserably at trying to get words out. Is there anyway you could drop by the page and see if I've adequately responded/maybe add a few points yourself? I really don't see anything wrong with the article's source, and honestly, I feel that the concerns are kind of super-nitpicky. But maybe I'm just grumpy at this point.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a check now, but the rule of thumb I'd go by is that controversial or likely-to-be-questioned facts should be third-party, but the motives, methods and opinions of a creator are perfectly sourceable to their own work like a commentary. GRAPPLE X 19:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I see the objection was withdrawn but I'll see if I can add a review for you within the next few days. GRAPPLE X 19:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Cool. I'd appreciate that. This article has been stalling for awhile now!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

GOCE mid-March 2013 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2013 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter

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Good Article Nominations Request For Comment

A 'Request For Comment' for Good Article Nominations is currently being held. We are asking that you please take five to ten minutes to review all seven proposals that will affect Good Article Nominations if approved. Full details of each proposal can be found here. Please comment on each proposal (or as many as you can) here.

At this time, Proposal 1, 3, and 5 have received full (or close to) support.

If you have questions of anything general (not related to one specif proposal), please leave a message under the General discussion thread.

Please note that Proposal 2 has been withdrawn and no further comments are needed. Also, please disregard Proposal 9 as it was never an actual proposal.

Featured Topics concern

So I was checking on topic retentions and noticed that two of the topics, Bloc Party albums and No Doubt albums, are incomplete as they are missing an album in their topic and their grace period has been long gone. Kinda makes me concerned about what other topics are like this. GamerPro64 14:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a scan now, but as a rule of thumb I'd say anything focussed on discographies, filmographies or currently-running tv series will often become incomplete without constant care. I'd say anything passed from now on which has the potential to grow—not just those which we know will grow—should be added to the retention list for periodic checks. Obviously if, say, a topic about Alfred Hitchcock came up, he's not making any new films, but one on David Cronenberg would have room to grow even before he announces anything new, and should be kept on hand to be checked conveniently. GRAPPLE X 21:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Actually, looking at WT:FT, I'm not convinced that several of those television season topics could be considered complete—the Smallville and Supernatural ones appear to have sidestepped the "no cherry-picking" idea by not having a full set of articles actually existing. I'm sure it wasn't done out of deliberate convenience but, for example, season one of Smallville is 21 episodes long, only 2 of which have articles; I wouldn't consider that a complete topic as there are 19 missing articles (having worked in this field I know it's entirely possible to put even some pretty obscure stuff through a full treatment) and there are several which would fall under that same umbrella. GRAPPLE X 21:13, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
So what should we do? We can't clog FTRC with nominations all at once? Do we just put some of them in a group and review them one at a time or something? GamerPro64 01:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I'd say we start with the ones that have definitely lapsed (Bloc Party and No Doubt), and consider setting a brief-but-workable grace period for any that are incomplete due to missing-but-notable articles that lets us revisit them soon. They'll certainly need delisted as FTs but with maybe six weeks notice to the involved editors they could be salvaged as GTs. If they're not then they can be assessed in a group because they'd be being assessed on the exact same criteria. GRAPPLE X 01:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 March newsletter

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate London Miyagawa (submissions) (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's New South Wales Casliber (submissions) (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with WikiWomen's History Month. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist Niels Bohr (Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions)), on the European hare (Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions)), on the constellation Circinus (Alaska Keilana (submissions) and New South Wales Casliber (submissions)) and on the Third Epistle of John (Indiana Cerebellum (submissions)). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's wikification drive. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such gnomish work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) J Milburn (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

GOCE April 2013 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2013 backlog elimination drive wrap-up newsletter

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Deadalive

I restarted the dead FA nomination for "Deadalive", do you have anything you might want to add/critique?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 15:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Love the shirt!
Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

GOCE April 2013 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2013 events newsletter

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Bluerules edit

Thanks for the revert at The Dark Knight Rises. Bluerules has already been a major problem amongst several editors these past few weeks (more particularly his edits at Burt Wonderstone and his feud with Darkwarriorblake and BattleshipMan) and tries to turn things around his way against the tide. I find it so despicable like really, "Stop following me"? Can't blame stuff if that has been under watch for a long time, and his diatribes against admins are just stupid. --Eaglestorm (talk) 05:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Trust me, I'm more than familiar. It's been going on since at least last year. GRAPPLE X 16:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 April newsletter

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions) claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place New South Wales Casliber (submissions) and second place Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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Gibraltar COI editng

Hi Grapple X. I am concerned about seeing one Gibraltar DYK per day. That's way, way, way too many for such a tiny land with a tiny population. We know there's been heavy, paid, COI editing on the topic. We should be a lot more careful. Where is the correct venue to discuss this. I hope you'll talk rather than reverting. Jehochman 21:46, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, would you talk to me, rather than just reverting and making snyde remarks? Jehochman 21:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
WT:DYK is the correct venue for this, and I'll thank you not to take a condescending tone about this. DYK frequently features many hooks on narrow subjects—hooks on racehorses, Indonesia, US television or mushrooms feature much more prominently than Gibraltar ever has, and your assertion of COI is baseless these days, that brief "paid" (read: contest with a prize, which is not unique) period having ended. If you feel that further punishment of volunteer editing is required over and above the topic being unduly singled out for restriction, you're free to propose it, but it's already been talked about ad nauseum and one editor attempting to overrule the correct procedure, which has come about due to community-wide consensus, is entirely wrong. I'll hope you'll see that rather than going off against consensus. GRAPPLE X 21:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't like "one per day is allowed" as a formulation. I think "not excessively frequent" is much better. Ambiguity actually helps here. If people can remember the list Gibraltar hook, it's probably too soon to have another. Jehochman 21:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I fail to see how your WP:IDONTLIKEIT approach is actually constructive here; surely your argument applies equally to any topic which may appear more than once, but I don't see you complaining about the frequency of any other topic. The restrictions have formed due to lengthy debate by both sides of this argument and arbitrarily changing them with zero discussion beforehand is poor form. If you want to see any change to the restrictions as they are at present, the burden is on you to propose a change to them and attempt to gather a consensus for it. Until then, I'd ask you to refrain from changing them any further as you are not above the will of the wider community. GRAPPLE X 22:01, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
It's not IDONTLIKEIT (and don't try to teach your grandmother to suck eggs), it's called L-O-G-I-C. A 2.6 square mile micronation with a hefty marketing budget targeting Misplaced Pages should not have its content featured on Misplaced Pages's home page once per day. It's that simple. Jehochman 22:28, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
But it is a case of you personally not liking it, as you have once again failed to acknowledge that it features FAR less prominently than any number of subjects (I know I've put through as many hooks on one short-lived television series as I've ever read about Gibraltar). But you have no personal umbrage to bring to bear on that subject, so it's conveniently ignored. It's that simple. GRAPPLE X 22:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for La morte risale a ieri sera

Updated DYK queryOn 14 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article La morte risale a ieri sera, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Duccio Tessari's 1970 work La morte risale a ieri sera contains "a great deal more humanity" than most giallo films? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/La morte risale a ieri sera. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
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Gender Bender

Congrats on the TFA!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 18:43, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Sometimes I wonder why I bother nominating them though. :( GRAPPLE X 18:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I know what you mean, whether you create a small stub or write an FA, it never seems to really matter to many people on here. Often a site of silent appreciation. Email me. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:07, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Closing

Hey Grapple. If you can, could you close some of the nominations at FTC? Haven't been able to get around to do that myself. GamerPro64 18:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

X-Files A-Class articles

Is there anyway you could drop by the A-class X-Files nomination and add suggestions/support/opposition to these articles: "Vienen", "The Gift", "Millennium", and "X-Cops". They've been waiting there forever, and I feel they may have been forgotten. I'd like to get them out of the limbo they're stuck in.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 16:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre

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GOCE May drive wrap-up

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WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre

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So for those who haven't heard about the Recruitment Centre yet, you may be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around it (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers:

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  • Nominators, please read this: If you are not interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still help. In some cases a nominator may have an issue with an "inexperienced" editor (the recruitee) reviewing one of their nominations. To minimize the chances of this happening, if you are fine with a recruitee reviewing one of your nominations under the supervision of the recruiter, please add your name to the list at the bottom of this page. By adding your name to this list, chances are that your nomination will be reviewed more quickly as the recruitee will be asked to choose a nomination from the list of nominators that are OK with them reviewing the article.

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List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted

Hey Grapple X, just wondered, if you have a moment, if you'd like to return to the FLC, there are more comments waiting for you! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

GOCE June/July 2013 events

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Featured Topic Delegation

I'm really concerned about your duties for being a delegate for Featured Topics. When I ask you for to close nominations, you are unavailable to take care of them. Can you still able to to do this or should we get another delegate? GamerPro64 00:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 June newsletter

We are down to our final 16: the 2013 semi-finals are upon us. A score of 321 was required to survive round 3, further cementing this as the most competitive WikiCup yet; round 3 was survived in 2012 with 243 points, in 2011 with 76 points and in 2010 with 250 points. The change may in part be to do with the fact that more articles are now awarded bonus points, in addition to more competitive play. Reaching the final has, in the past, required 573 points (2012, a 135% increase on the score needed to reach round 4), 150 points (2011, a 97% increase) and 417 points (2010, a 72% increase). This round has seen over a third of participants claiming points for featured articles (with seven users claiming for multiple featured articles) and most users have also gained bonus points. However, the majority of points continue to come from good articles, followed by did you know articles. In this round, every content type was utilised by at least one user, proving that the WikiCup brings together content contributors from all corners of the project.

Round 3 saw a number of contributions of note. Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions) claimed the first featured topic points in this year's competition for her excellent work on topics related to Maya Angelou, the noted American author and poet. We have also continued to see high-importance articles improved as part of the competition: Wyoming Ealdgyth (submissions) was awarded a thoroughly well-earned 560 points for her featured article Middle Ages and 102 points for her good article Battle of Hastings. Good articles James Chadwick and Stanislaw Ulam netted Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions) 102 and 72 points respectively, while 72 points were awarded to Poland Piotrus (submissions) for each of Władysław Sikorski and Emilia Plater, both recently promoted to good article status. Collaborative efforts between WikiCup participants have continued, with, for example, New South Wales Casliber (submissions) and Canada Sasata (submissions) being awarded 180 points each for their featured article on Boletus luridus.

A rules reminder: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round after the break, but not the round before. The case in point is content promoted on the 29/30 June, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews. We are currently seeing concern about the amount of time people have to wait for reviews, especially at GAC- if you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 09:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Park Quarter 3, 2013 Newsletter

WikiProject Amusement Parks Newsletter

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GOCE July 2013 news report

Guild of Copy Editors July 2013 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter
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WikiCup 2013 July newsletter

We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's Canada Sasata (submissions) currently leads overall, while Pool B's Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) is second. Both leaders are WikiCup veterans, and both have already scored over 600 points this month. If the round were to end today, London Miyagawa (submissions), with 274 points, would be the lowest-scoring participant to make it through. This indicates that participants will need a score comparable to last year's (573, the highest ever) to qualify for the final. The high scores this year are a testament both to the quality of participants and to the increased focus on significant content (eligible for bonus points) in this year's competition. So far this round, both Sasata and Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) have made up over half of their score through bonus points, with, for example, high importance FA koala earning Sasata a total of 440 points (from a multiplier of 4.4) and high-importance GA sea earning Cwmhiraeth a total of 216 points (from a multiplier of 7.2). Other articles on important topics submitted this round include a featured article on the Norman conquest of England by Wyoming Ealdgyth (submissions), and good articles on Nobel laureate in literature Henryk Sienkiewicz, Nobel laureate in physics Hans Bethe, and the noted Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū. These articles are by Poland Piotrus (submissions), Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions) and Sturmvogel_66 respectively.

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DYK RfC

  • As a listed GA participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should be eligible to appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat|Contributions02:45, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

GOCE July 2013 copy edit drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors July 2013 backlog elimination drive wrap-up newsletter

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WP:FOUR RFC

There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:34, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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GOCE Blitz wrap-up and September 2013 drive invitation

Guild of Copy Editors August Blitz wrap-up

Participation: Out of sixteen people who signed up for this blitz, nine copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

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WikiCup 2013 August newsletter

This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:

  1. Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
  2. New South Wales Casliber (submissions), another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
  3. Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions), 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
  4. Canada Sasata (submissions), a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
  5. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
  6. Wyoming Ealdgyth (submissions), who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
  7. London Miyagawa (submissions), a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
  8. Scotland Adam Cuerden (submissions) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final: Poland Piotrus (submissions), Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions), Ohio ThaddeusB (submissions), Michigan Dana boomer (submissions), Prince Edward Island Status (submissions), United States Ed! (submissions), Florida 12george1 (submissions), England Calvin999 (submissions). Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

Finally, the usual notices: If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Misplaced Pages:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 05:12, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Where in LEAD

You claim that LEAD tells us we are supposed to repeat a link if it's in the lead. Can you point me to that passage because I don't see it. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The relevant link to repeating what is linked in the lead is in WP:OVERLINK, which I also provided you. It's the last line of the section that link should anchor to. Please stop removing links which are there for a valid reason which complies with the MOS. GRAPPLE X 03:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
  • You cited two. I see nothing in WP:LEAD that says what you claim. So why did you cite it if now, when asked to be specific, you ignore the request? OVERLINK says a link may be repeated. It doesn't say it is required, which was your claim. So you cited a guideline that apparently doesn't say what you claim, then cited one that says "may" instead of the "requires" that you claim. Yet you now call me "disruptive"? And why does Dante Spinotti need linked again? He's linked in the infobox and the filming section. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:32, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
WP:LEAD is an overview on the purpose of the lead; I linked it to show that it should be considered a summation of the article rather than a section within it. The reason I linked both is that the second contained the specific guideline on linking. It doesn't say anything is required--but it certainly does not back up needlessly removing links which serve a valid navigation purpose. Links used in the lead of a long article, and then not mentioned again for the first time in the article body until near the very end will of course be much easier to read and navigate if they are (correctly) linked on both of those occurrences. To remove links which follow the manual of style, exist for a valid reason, and serve a reader friendly purpose is disruptive, especially when done with absolutely no supporting rationale or guideline to it. As for why a link is useful in a reference--they should be able to be read in a vacuum. It is not, nor should it be, incumbent on a reader to chase down a link elsewhere in the article if they have followed a reflink to a citation and want to know more. At the end of the day, this site is meant for readers, and any edit which falls within the MOS and aids in reading comprehension should be considered a positive one--conversely, any edit which has no basis in the MOS and decreases readability is a negative one. The article in question underwent several peer reviews and copyedits before passing a featured article review--if any of the content was considered to have contravened either the spirit or the letter of the guidelines it would have been weeded out long ago. Your own opinions on how to interpret a guideline which is almost entirely practised the way I'm advocating is not sufficient rationale to overturn that kind of consensus. GRAPPLE X 03:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Linking something twice really doesn't help "the reader". It just adds more blue type to a sea of blue type. You keep saying it follows the MOS, yet the MOS says "may" if it's helpful. May. While we can discuss what is or is not helpful, it will help greatly if you stop acting like your opinion is the only one and that this matter is black and white. It's not black and white. If there was not room for interpretation about what is helpful, the MOS would say "must" or "required" (as you falsely claimed it did). Claiming my edit has no basis in the MOS is a false claim, based on the notion that your opinion is the only correct one. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:22, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update

Hey Grapple. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 18:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

Information icon Hello, I'm SummerPhD. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Manhunter (film) because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! You are engaged in an edit war about whether or not to Wikilink one name. You are not discussing it on the articles talk page. You should. You are discussing editors not content. You should not.

Please visit the article's talk page. Without so much as obliquely referring to any other editor, explain why you feel the link in question should or should not be there. (I don't know which of you wants what and don't have an opinion.) After sufficient time for anyone interested to comment, I'll give a third opinion (which is something else you might have considered to resolve this). My opinion is neither infallible nor final. After that, you may choose to provisionally accept what I think or you may seek broader input.

Or, you might choose to continue the edit war and see if an editing block helps clear up the issue. SummerPhD (talk) 01:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Manhunter (film). Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware, Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring states:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I have fully protected the article for 3 days. That should give you time to discuss differences (with others joining in, I hope) on the article talk page, and / or to draft an explanation of this fight for addition to WP:LAME, and in any event to read WP guidance on edit-warring (hint: don't). Hope this helps. Bencherlite 01:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Squeeze (The X-Files)

This is a note to let the main editors of Squeeze (The X-Files) know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on September 24, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/September 24, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Doug Hutchison

"Squeeze" is the third episode of the first season of the American science fiction television series The X-Files, premiering on September 24, 1993. It featured the first of two guest appearances by Doug Hutchison (pictured) as the mutant serial killer Eugene Victor Tooms. In this episode, FBI special agents Fox Mulder (David Duchovny) and Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) (who work on cases linked to the paranormal, called X-Files) investigate a series of ritualistic killings by somebody seemingly capable of squeezing his body through impossibly narrow gaps. The agents deduce that their suspect may be a genetic mutant who has been killing in sprees for ninety years. Production was problematic; creative differences led to the director being replaced, and some missing scenes needed to be shot after the initial filming. "Squeeze" received positive reviews from critics, mostly focusing on Hutchison's performance and the resonance of his character. Academics have examined "Squeeze" for its portrayal of the politics of law enforcement, highlighting the tension—evident throughout the series—between the agents' desire to find the truth and their duty to secure criminal convictions. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on TFA!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Manhunter (film). Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.   — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Sorry for this Grapple, but I have no choice. That's three times you and Niteshift have gone to 3R at the same article, so protecting it is obviously not doing much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
    Totally understandable; I don't mind sitting out for a while if it means the article isn't being trashed. GRAPPLE X 00:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
    No worries about that. Niteshift managed to get 48 hours as this is nowhere near his/her first block for edit warring (I think I counted 8 or 9). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
    You can't count. According to this log it is 5 counting tonight's, and only one of those not counting tonight's took place in the last five years. A fifth block, for sockpuppetry, was placed accidentally and removed.
    Hence why I said "I think". There are 8 or 9 entries, that much is clear. Now please keep discussion centred on one page. If Niteshift wants to appeal his/her block, let 'em. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:13, 28 September 2013 (UTC)