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| :False. I copy edited the article as normal and improved the organization. I did not rewrite the article or change the substance at all.] (]) 22:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC) | :False. I copy edited the article as normal and improved the organization. I did not rewrite the article or change the substance at all.] (]) 22:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment''' Your claim to “copy editing and re-organizing” is open to question. For example, the first line of the original text reads: '''Inclusive Democracy''' is a political theory and political project that aims for ], ] in a ], moneyless and marketless economy, ] (democracy in the social realm), and your edit: '''Inclusive Democracy''' is a political theory and a political project that both aim for ]; ] in a ], moneyless and marketless economy; ] (democracy in the social realm) and ]. | |||
| You took a correct form (a singular) "ID project aims" and made an incorrect plural form "theory and project that both aim". First of all you change the grammatics, thus your edit is incorrect. By doing this you distort the ID “project” (singular) by breaking it into two separate forms theory and political “both aim”. This is incorrect. You took a singular subject and changed it to a plural subject. ID is a PROJECT composed of two parts. You again distort the grammar in the text by replacing commas with semi-colons and thus modifying the meaning. What style of “copy editing and re-organizing” are you following? | |||
| Next, you deleted Takis Fotopoulos’ name from the =See also= list. | |||
| Next, you would have changed "organisation" to "organization" wherever you saw it and changed the other British style spellings with American English style equivalents. For example under “Conception of Inclusive Democracy” section: Fotopoulos describes Inclusive Democracy as "a new conception of democracy, which, using as a starting point the classical definition of it, expresses democracy in terms of direct political democracy, economic democracy (beyond the confines of the market economy and state planning), as well as democracy in the social realm and ] democracy. In short, inclusive democracy is a form of social organisation which re-integrates society with economy, polity and nature. | |||
| Next, you deleted a quote (and reference) and then added a useless and an improper comma, as a copy edit at the “Artificial market” section, after a prepositional phrase which is grammatically incorrect and is superfluous! The original reads: | |||
| '''''In the ID's system of allocation of resources the artificial market complements the envisaged direct democratic planning mechanism in the allocation of all goods and services on the basis of the crucial distinction introduced in this model between basic and nonbasic goods and services'''''. | |||
| And your edit reads: | |||
| In the ID's system of allocation of resources, the artificial market complements the envisaged direct democratic planning mechanism in the allocation of all goods and services on the basis of the crucial distinction introduced in this model between basic and nonbasic goods and services.] (]) 10:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since there have been sweeping changes in ] entry, you would rather explain the need for them, or do them one at a time. Even if it was a complete restructuring of the entry, the scope and extension of the edits that you did show that you may should have started a dialogue in the Talk Page of the entry at the first place, and not do it all at once sweepingly. Also please do not use the word "Vandalism" for somebody's reaction to your edits arbitratily. I would advise you to use the ] and ] guideline for making big changes in an entry, even if they are for "restructuring" purposes. Thanks. ] (]) 04:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC) | ::Since there have been sweeping changes in ] entry, you would rather explain the need for them, or do them one at a time. Even if it was a complete restructuring of the entry, the scope and extension of the edits that you did show that you may should have started a dialogue in the Talk Page of the entry at the first place, and not do it all at once sweepingly. Also please do not use the word "Vandalism" for somebody's reaction to your edits arbitratily. I would advise you to use the ] and ] guideline for making big changes in an entry, even if they are for "restructuring" purposes. Thanks. ] (]) 04:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC) | ||
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Please use the talk page at Inclusive Democracy before you make any sweeping edits, or alternatively do edits one at a time, so that each edit can be commented upon. What you did is not normal copy-editing, but re-writing the entire entry without providing valid reasons. User:John sargis 16:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- False. I copy edited the article as normal and improved the organization. I did not rewrite the article or change the substance at all.Spylab (talk) 22:54, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment Your claim to “copy editing and re-organizing” is open to question. For example, the first line of the original text reads: Inclusive Democracy is a political theory and political project that aims for direct democracy, economic democracy in a stateless, moneyless and marketless economy, self-management (democracy in the social realm), and your edit: Inclusive Democracy is a political theory and a political project that both aim for direct democracy; economic democracy in a stateless, moneyless and marketless economy; self-management (democracy in the social realm) and ecological democracy.
You took a correct form (a singular) "ID project aims" and made an incorrect plural form "theory and project that both aim". First of all you change the grammatics, thus your edit is incorrect. By doing this you distort the ID “project” (singular) by breaking it into two separate forms theory and political “both aim”. This is incorrect. You took a singular subject and changed it to a plural subject. ID is a PROJECT composed of two parts. You again distort the grammar in the text by replacing commas with semi-colons and thus modifying the meaning. What style of “copy editing and re-organizing” are you following?
Next, you deleted Takis Fotopoulos’ name from the =See also= list. Next, you would have changed "organisation" to "organization" wherever you saw it and changed the other British style spellings with American English style equivalents. For example under “Conception of Inclusive Democracy” section: Fotopoulos describes Inclusive Democracy as "a new conception of democracy, which, using as a starting point the classical definition of it, expresses democracy in terms of direct political democracy, economic democracy (beyond the confines of the market economy and state planning), as well as democracy in the social realm and ecological democracy. In short, inclusive democracy is a form of social organisation which re-integrates society with economy, polity and nature. Next, you deleted a quote (and reference) and then added a useless and an improper comma, as a copy edit at the “Artificial market” section, after a prepositional phrase which is grammatically incorrect and is superfluous! The original reads: In the ID's system of allocation of resources the artificial market complements the envisaged direct democratic planning mechanism in the allocation of all goods and services on the basis of the crucial distinction introduced in this model between basic and nonbasic goods and services. And your edit reads: In the ID's system of allocation of resources, the artificial market complements the envisaged direct democratic planning mechanism in the allocation of all goods and services on the basis of the crucial distinction introduced in this model between basic and nonbasic goods and services.John sargis (talk) 10:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Since there have been sweeping changes in Inclusive Democracy entry, you would rather explain the need for them, or do them one at a time. Even if it was a complete restructuring of the entry, the scope and extension of the edits that you did show that you may should have started a dialogue in the Talk Page of the entry at the first place, and not do it all at once sweepingly. Also please do not use the word "Vandalism" for somebody's reaction to your edits arbitratily. I would advise you to use the Editing policy and Be helpful, Explain & Major changes guideline for making big changes in an entry, even if they are for "restructuring" purposes. Thanks. 77.49.224.227 (talk) 04:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- I just noticed there is evidence you altered and deleted some of the sentences - this was stressed by User:John sargis in Inclusive Democracy's talk page - of the entry, so, it was not just a matter of restructuring, deletion, addition of spaces etc. as you claimed. This is another reason you should have used a step-by-step approach with comments for each one, if you really wanted to improve the entry and not distort it in effect. 77.49.224.227 (talk) 04:54, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- Reinvoked my arbitratily deleted by User:Spylab comments, for which initially I had not signed in properly with my user name earlier. Panlis (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- Until now, the last time you posted anything on Misplaced Pages from the Panlis account was May 28, 2013. Interesting.Spylab (talk) 14:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)