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	::If there are, however, differing views on the musical genre of the very album, please rephrase your point. Thanks. ] (]) 20:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)		::If there are, however, differing views on the musical genre of the very album, please rephrase your point. Thanks. ] (]) 20:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

			:::I must be missing something obvious here, so forgive me if I have misunderstood your concern. Both of the articles previously cited with respect to ''The Guessing Game'', those being and indicate that the album in question highlights '''both''' progressive and psychedelic influences.

			:::From Popmatters: "For Dorrian, whose knowledge of early progressive and psychedelic rock is positively encyclopedic, finding that perfect middle ground between prog, pych, and metal has always been key, but none more so than on The Guessing Game."

			:::From Allmusic: "Cathedral's ninth studio album...features some of the most psychedelic, progressive material in the band's entire catalog"

			:::Again, an album can incorporate multiple influences. There is no logical error in this; in fact, the presence of a variety of styles and influences is evident for practically every album I can fathom. This is not even a case of conflicts among sources, as both sources make the same claim. As does Lee Dorrian himself.

			:::As I don't want to get into an genre or edit war, prior to reverting your changes, please advise if there is something that I am missing, and I will endeavour to clarify in a revision to the article page. Otherwise, I will proceed to reincorporate the deleted subject matter back into the article.

			:::You may wish to refer to ] when considering deletions of sourced article material. ] (]) 18:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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Professional bootlegs?

I'm going to remove this section until sources justifying notability are provided. Lists of bootlegs are nearly always unencyclopedic, owing to being unverifiable or self-published sources. I'm not even sure what is meant by "professional bootleg". Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

1989-2011?

i'm going to change the years active from 1989-2011 to 1989-2012 because as the article says, "They will record one last album and hope to release it in 2012" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.153.160 (talk) 18:50, 21 February 2011 (UTC) by the way, 1989-2011/2012 is 'over two decades' but nowhere near 'nearly three decades' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.66.114.168 (talk) 08:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Genre

Nowhere is presented that Cathedral would be defined as "stoner rock". Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 17:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Conflicting statements

In the section "Style" (https://en.wikipedia.org/Cathedral_(band)#Style), it is said that:

"These albums included the "inspired" and "quirky" but "uneven" The Garden of Unearthly Delights, the double-disc The Guessing Game, which was touted as the "most psychedelic, progressive material in the band's entire catalog" to the "true doom" of the band's finale, The Last Spire."

However, in the very next paragraph it is said that:

"The Guessing Game represented another development in the band's sound, with more progressive influences coming to the forefront."

How can the musical influences of one and same album be conflicting within as single section? On one hand it is described as "psychedelic", on the other "progressive". This awaits for correction in the article. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 18:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact that an album, or a particular section of music, contains more than one influence is not a conflicting statement - it is, quite simply, a statement indicating that multiple influences can either be discerned or were cited by the band. As the statement in question is properly sourced, I will be reverting your good faith edits. That said, this page could certainly use more elaboration, so I thank you for your attention to it. Wolfinruins (talk) 02:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Drop another source; you have two conflicting sources here. Please then apply the revised range of sources into the final edit.

If there are, however, differing views on the musical genre of the very album, please rephrase your point. Thanks. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I must be missing something obvious here, so forgive me if I have misunderstood your concern. Both of the articles previously cited with respect to The Guessing Game, those being Popmatters and Allmusic indicate that the album in question highlights both progressive and psychedelic influences.

From Popmatters: "For Dorrian, whose knowledge of early progressive and psychedelic rock is positively encyclopedic, finding that perfect middle ground between prog, pych, and metal has always been key, but none more so than on The Guessing Game."

From Allmusic: "Cathedral's ninth studio album...features some of the most psychedelic, progressive material in the band's entire catalog"

Again, an album can incorporate multiple influences. There is no logical error in this; in fact, the presence of a variety of styles and influences is evident for practically every album I can fathom. This is not even a case of conflicts among sources, as both sources make the same claim. As does Lee Dorrian himself.

As I don't want to get into an genre or edit war, prior to reverting your changes, please advise if there is something that I am missing, and I will endeavour to clarify in a revision to the article page. Otherwise, I will proceed to reincorporate the deleted subject matter back into the article.

You may wish to refer to WP:PRESERVE when considering deletions of sourced article material. Wolfinruins (talk) 18:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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