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From your link: White alone, 2010, 52.0% ____ Black or African American alone, 2010, 7.4% -- Yep that's just great diversity. ;^) |
From your link: White alone, 2010, 52.0% ____ Black or African American alone, 2010, 7.4% -- Yep that's just great diversity. ;^) ___ You wrote "articles" so now you want to puff up and start a pissing contest bragging on how many "articles" you wrote. I written news professionally for the AP, UPI, Chronicle, Post, USA Today, Austin American Statesman, Time, and many more major news/information publications - but the thing is my real profession since 1966 is in electronic media. If you were a professional writer, you'd know how to get the data, with the need to plagiarize someone else' book. ] (]) 03:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC) |
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Hi! I found this discussion: User_talk:RJN#Why_are_you_.22freezing_out.22_anything_referring_to_Galveston
I know that the name of the metro area has changed. It used to be Houston-Galveston-Brazoria (1990) and later it became Houston-Galveston-Baytown (2000). Now it's officially Houston–The Woodlands–Sugar Land because the cities of The Woodlands and Sugar Land have grown immensely. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi ! Actually you are wrong. The OFFICIAL designation by the United States government is the Houston-Galveston area. Please google "H-GAC" and learn the truth. BTW, it is NOT that The Woodlands and Sugar Land areas have "grown" so, it's the fact the census was taken a couple of years after Hurricane Ike devastated Galveston which caused the displacement of more than 10,000 people ! The recovery is well underway and the population in Galveston is returning. LazLong Sr (talk) 05:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- If Ike hurt Galveston and that affected it in the 2010 rankings, then it happened, LazLong. Take a look at 2010: http://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/057/508.php - "Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX" - http://www.census.gov/econ/census02/maps/metro/33000us288m.pdf reflects the 2000 rankings and says Houston-Baytown-Sugar Land (name in green). The page states that the 1990s name (the one in gold) was Houston-Galveston-Brazoria. By the way, Googling "H-GAC" returns "Houston-Galveston Area Council" which has nothing to do with the US Census/OMB naming I am describing. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- FYI the census has dozens of names for it's MANY subdivisions of the population. See for an example: http://www.census.gov/prod/ec97/maps/ec97_ma_tx.pdf . The H-GAC is the designation that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has decided represents and administers projects and funds for the 13-county area. The Census does NOT designate official area recognition of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) through the White House as you suggest. As for the White House's OMB, they use both the H-GAC and H-G-B or Houston-Galveston-Brazoria notations. ( See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/bulletins/95-04att-1.pdf) and (See: CONSOLIDATED METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS AND PRIMARY METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREAS at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/assets/omb/bulletins/95-04att-2.pdf ). Let's look at what Houston uses for another variation (See: The Houston-Galveston-Brazoria Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area (Houston CMSA) consists of eight counties: Brazoria, Chambers, Fort Bend, Galveston, Harris, Liberty, Montgomery and Waller at http://www.houstontx.gov/abouthouston/houstonfacts.html)
The point is, the Galveston area which has a diverse population including a sizable percentage of people of color, has been obliterated from the wiki site and replaced by two of the Whitest places in Texas. LazLong Sr (talk) 06:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- In naming the metropolitan areas we use what the US Census calls it. Galveston's population has been stagnant and League City is now the largest city in Galveston County by population (only a sliver is in Harris County). As for whitest, not sure Sugar Land still qualifies as it's gotten increasingly Asian (Indian and Chinese). The Woodlands is still heavily White.
- As to your assertion ""we (are you speaking for all of wikipedia if so direct me to that rule?) use what the US Census calls it"" I again ask which census designation as there are many in every census ! As to your assertion ""Galveston's population has been stagnant,"" again you are wrong. Galveston has outstripped Sugar Land and the Woodlands in population growth, gaining more than 10,000 people since the 2010 Census. LazLong Sr (talk) 07:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- One more thing. Please have the decency to allow me to reply to one of your responses before flooding my Talk Page with comments. This "write a sentence and post, then another sentence and post - and so on" doesn't allow for intelligent discussion. Please be civil, and make your comment and wait for a reply. LazLong Sr (talk) 07:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Firstly I say "we" as I'm meaning established practice on here. If you go on every metropolitan area Misplaced Pages article it reflects the U.S. Census bureau designation. You ask "I again ask which census designation as there are many in every census !" It's clear it's the latest census issued in 2010. Why would we use the census naming of an outdated census? The census is issued every 10 years and the next one is in 2020.
You say: ""Galveston's population has been stagnant,"" again you are wrong. Galveston has outstripped Sugar Land and the Woodlands in population growth, gaining more than 10,000 people since the 2010 Census."
- The population of Galveston city has decreased.
- 2000: 57,247: http://www.census.gov/statab/ccdb/cc07_tabC1.xls
- 2010: 47,743: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48/4828068.html
So I was wrong, it wasn't stagnant. :) If you get notifications of me making multiple edits or get edit conflicts, sorry about that. I'll try to keep everything in one edit. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:34, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised you have no interest in being civil in this back-&-forth. At any rate, as I first commented, Galveston's population drop (about 10,000 people over a period of less than two-months) in the last, out-of-date census was due to a hurricane shortly before it was taken. These storms tend to cause that, check history. However, in the years AFTER the census, taken a half decade ago, the island city's population is returning, mainly people of color, and at a greater rate than the growth in the areas you mention. The rest of your comment appears to be a yet another justification for marginalizing the less-affluent people of color in favor of White people. Let me help you with Sugarland's "diversity" -- Caucasian 66.37% and African American 4.94%. Hope that clears up the area's "whiteness" as you call it. But you really already knew there were few Blacks in your neighborhood. LazLong Sr (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't mean to come off as not civil. I was mainly faulting my own judgment. However even before the 2008 hurricane there were pressures on Galveston pushing people off the island. I had written some details at Galveston Independent School District about this; GISD had to close schools due to lower and lower student enrollments. Gentrification has been pushing out the middle class and many people have been moving to League City, Texas. There definitely have been people going from the island even before Ike. If indeed people came back to the island and the 2010 drop was just a temporary aberration and the population loss has been made up, a reference is needed for that detail. Who wrote about it? What did he or she say? Do you know of something in The Galveston Daily News? I will show you census data from Sugar Land for 2010. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/48/4870808.html: In 2010 White alone has dropped to 52%. White non-Hispanic is 44.4%. Asian is 35.3%. That is the diversity. Hispanic is 10.6%. Black is 7.4%. Now, it is true that Asian populations and middle class Blacks seem to be more acceptable to Whites than lower class blacks and Hispanics. I wrote about it here: Houston_ISD#Characteristics_of_schools_and_White_enrollment. I had gotten the info from Donald R. McAdams's book about Houston ISD. Do you know of any good books about black history in Houston? I've written articles about the Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexicans, and Central Americans in Houston and I want a reference so I can start an article on the African-Americans in Houston. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- You weren't "faulting my own judgment." You were being uncivil and rude just as you were at the end of your most recent post.
From your link: White alone, 2010, 52.0% ____ Black or African American alone, 2010, 7.4% -- Yep that's just great diversity. ;^) ___ You wrote "articles" so now you want to puff up and start a pissing contest bragging on how many "articles" you wrote. I written news professionally for the AP, UPI, Chronicle, Post, USA Today, Austin American Statesman, Time, and many more major news/information publications - but the thing is my real profession since 1966 is in electronic media. If you were a professional writer, you'd know how to get the data, with the need to plagiarize someone else' book. LazLong Sr (talk) 03:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)