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An award for you!

The WikiProject Medicine QuackStar Quack! Quack! For your useful spot here, which led to a successful SPI, I award you the WikiProject Medicine QuackStar. Also, good hunting. Alexbrn talk

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For putting up with baseless attacks against you. Briefly looked at the "evidence" of poor editing by you and didn't find any Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 12:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

And another

		The Steady Rate Barnstar
		Tick tock, Tick Tock! All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC).

Thank you for being one of Misplaced Pages's top medical contributors!

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	The Cure Award
	In 2013 you were one of the top 300 medical editors across any language of Misplaced Pages. Thank you so much for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date medical information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do!

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Blocked one week

Hi there Quackguru. I have blocked your account for one week for disruptive editing. Your edits to electronic cigarette are either riddled with error or too one-sided. When you come back I want you to take a lot more care, consider avoiding areas where you have very strong views, and (especially) remember that editing here is a collaborative process (meaning we have to work together) and a privilege (which can be withdrawn). If you wish to appeal against this block you may do so by posting {{unblock|your reason here}}, but you should review WP:GAB first. Best wishes and good luck. --John (talk) 19:25, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Diffs please. You have also set it so he cannot edit his talk page. How is he to appeal this again? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 22:22, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

@Doc James, in my experience it's fairly common to remove talk page access when a blocked user removes the block notice as in ~Adjwilley (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Can anybody point me to any evidence of disruptive editing? -Roxy the dog (resonate) 23:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

John, please provide evidence for "disruptive editing", because I want to see it. QuackGuru is among the most competent editors of medical articles on Misplaced Pages. Also, I've checked his recent edita, and they seem to strictly abide by Misplaced Pages's guidelines. I think your block is completely uncalled for. -Fasf14 (talk) 23:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

People who are truly the most competent do not normally rack up a block log with more than a dozen entries and a couple of RFC/U discussions (1, 2). Disruption involves how you interact with other editors (social skills), not just about whether or not you promote a scientific POV. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:04, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

One of the RfC U has no difs supporting it. And when asked none were ever provided. It was an interesting case.

Anyway will give the admin in question a little more time and than bring to ANI. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

• Happy to help. Quackguru was asked about this edit, where he apparently changed a claim from a source about 15% into "a third". Rather than discuss this "mistake" productively the user chose to repeatedly remove the conversation from his user talk page. As I said when I went into this area, I have little time for tendentious editing, and as the user has a block log the length of my arm, and would not engage, I have blocked them one week. If anything I think this was a lenient block, and I only made it such a light one because their last block was in 2009. Removing active block notices is not allowed so the user then lost talk page access. Consensus at the article talk page seems to be against the edits as well. I stand utterly by my actions in this area. --John (talk) 05:47, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

In fact, QuackGuru was blocked as recently as 2011, per this AE thread. He was notified at his talk page here. For some reason this 2011 block does not seem to be registered on QuackGurus block log. Stimpy3 (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

? You're mistaken. The reason "this 2011 block" isn't in his block log is that he wasn't blocked, the AE you link to didn't issue in a block. It ends with this inconclusive result. I really don't like Quack Guru not having Talkpage access here, to correct such egregious errors himself. @John, I've restored tpa, hope you don't mind. There is disagreement about the "remove active block notices" thing, discussion between admins about it has erupted several times recently, and even for those who take a hard line, I actually haven't seen tpa being removed over it. For removing it once? — No. User:Quack Guru, consider yourself warned not to remove the notice again. Bishonen | talk 09:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC).

P.S. I have with some effort excavated the whole 2011 AE thread that User:Stimpy linked to above — it wasn't above halfway done in his link. It was closed with a one-year topic ban from pseudoscience and chiropractic. (A block wasn't even discussed as far as I can see — can't face reading every word of it.) Bishonen | talk 12:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC).

QG is indeed an active medical editor, but also one of the most controversial, to the point where I often stay away from articles he edits, which are often my favorite topics, the ones in which I'm a recognized expert in the real world. It's simply impossible to communicate effectively with him. He has a de facto IDHT, very tendentious, form of communication, and merely repeats claims and his own ideas, without addressing the concerns brought up by other editors. That he is usually defending and promoting a scientific skepticism POV (which is usually the same as the mainstream scientific and medical POV) is fine, but collaboration is essential, and his communication needs to be vastly improved. He only gets truly communicative when he's being threatened with a block, and then he suddenly will bend and bow and cooperate to the nth degree, but that stops when he's back into safe territory. When such an editor keeps me from editing my favorite topics, then you know something's really wrong. He gives skeptics a bad name. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Very well explained, Brangifer. QG has had me stop editing the acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, and GERAC articles altogether, and has been making me look like a TCM-proponent just because I have been opposing his edits. --Mallexikon (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah an unsupported bit of speculation about someone personally is called "very well explained"? User:BullRangifer you really need to support this "supporting fringe POV and destroying mainstream content" with diffs and remove this "making one wonder what type of mind we're dealing with" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I see you totally ignored the bulk of his comment, which was a detailed explanation of QG's obnoxious editing style. He's even worse than me!--FergusM1970 12:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Doc James, I removed that part, just so we don't get distracted from the current issue at hand. -- Brangifer (talk) 14:27, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Hum User:Mallexikon the same one who filled out a RfCU without supporting claims and then refused to provide any when called on it. I do agree that QG needs to stop removing stuff from his talk page and set up an auto archiving system instead. Will technically one is allowed to remove from ones talk page, the talk page does not really "belong" to the user in question and is here to improve the encyclopedia. But this is not really a blockable offence. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

That RfCU had ample supporting claims; you simply refused to acknowledge them... Instead, you've used your star power to hold a protective hand over your protégé QG. To repeat a something I've said to you before, Doc James: this discussion here here should give you some food for thought. --Mallexikon (talk) 11:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)