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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive367#Close challenge for Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

(Initiated 32 days ago on 13 December 2024) challenge of close at AN was archived nableezy - 05:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Sander.v.Ginkel unblock request

(Initiated 30 days ago on 15 December 2024) voorts (talk/contributions) 00:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/In the news criteria amendments

(Initiated 99 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 78 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

would like to see what close is. seems like it was option 1 in general, possibly 1/2 for IP area. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide#RfC: History section, adding native American and Australian genocides as examples

(Initiated 69 days ago on 6 November 2024) RfC expired on 6 December 2024 . No new comments in over a week. Bogazicili (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Australia#RFC: Should the article state that Indigenous Australians were victims of genocide?

(Initiated 68 days ago on 8 November 2024), RFC expired weeks ago. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Israel#RfC

(Initiated 53 days ago on 22 November 2024) Legobot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an interdependent close. TarnishedPath 23:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Ongoing discussion, please wait a week or two. Bogazicili (talk) 14:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Voluntary RfA after resignation

(Initiated 30 days ago on 15 December 2024) Long, but the outcome is clear. –Novem Linguae (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Estado Novo (Portugal)#RFC Should the Estado Novo be considered fascist?

(Initiated 7 days ago on 8 January 2025) RfC opened last month, and was re-opened last week, but hasn't received further discussion. Outcome clear and unlikely to change if it were to run the full 30 days. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 00:54, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 20#Category:Belarusian saints

(Initiated 26 days ago on 20 December 2024) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 31#Category:Disambig-Class Star Trek pages

(Initiated 14 days ago on 31 December 2024) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 January 1#Category:Category-Class 20th Century Studios pages of NA-importance

(Initiated 13 days ago on 1 January 2025) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Talk:Arab migrations to the Levant#Merger Proposal

(Initiated 112 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal

(Initiated 78 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Survey

(Initiated 69 days ago on 7 November 2024) Looking for uninvolved close in CTOP please, only a few !votes in past month. I realise this doesn't require closing, but it is preferred in such case due to controversial nature of topic. CNC (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

•  Note: I'm happy to perform the merge if required, as have summarised other sections of this article already with consensus. I realise it's usually expected to perform splits or merges when closing discussions, but in this case it wouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:You Like It Darker#Proposed merge of Finn (short story) into You Like It Darker

(Initiated 18 days ago on 27 December 2024) Proposed merge discussion originally opened on 30 May 2024, closed on 27 October 2024, and reopened on 27 December 2024 following the closure being overturned at AN. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:22, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

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user:Kumioko ban review

The discussion has been moved to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/User:Kumioko ban review for ease of access to this page, and to allow for a dedicated talk page for other issues surrounding the discussion. Regards, Crazynas 00:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Postdating to prevent early closure. Mike V • Talk 00:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

hello sir

my name is rajvir singh randhawa and i make Randeep Singh Nabha,Kulbir Jhinjer and Ammy Virk two of three is deleted sir and one is still there Randeep Singh Nabha i'm blocked on wikipedia but i dot know what i did wrong and if i wrong so why you do not delete Randeep Singh Nabha and if i make good right thing so why deleted Kulbir Jhinjer and Ammy Virk that's it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.13.226 (talk) 07:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

blocked. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 07:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

your all bocking me without anything as some of other rajvir singh randhawa but why

Unsourced BLPs

 Done Black Kite (talk) 18:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Can an administrator go through and remove the unsourced BLPs?

Category:Expired proposed deletions of unsourced BLPs jps (talk) 12:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Nichiren

 Done Semi-protected. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Could someone please put an end to IP: 171.207.219.221 constantly inserting lunar calendar stuff whereby deleting data which we all are accustomed to – the Gregorian calendar? --Catflap08 (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

King Flight

Per a CU on the Commons, King Flight is a  Confirmed sock of Over the Limit/7alawa el3antbly/et al. (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/7alawa el3antbly/Archive for an older local en.wiki CU case). They have continued to upload copyvios on en.wiki (e.g. File:Clothesline from Hell.jpg is NC/ND at Flickr source) after a Commons block. Please take whatever action is necessary. Эlcobbola _talk 18:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

 Blocked and tagged, SPI opened for local sleeper check, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to review the user's uploads, so I'll leave to another admin. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I've closed the SPI and G5'ed the image uploads.--Jezebel'sPonyo 19:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Blatant vandal

User: Freewhitechristianmale has made three disruptive edits so far to 2014 Ferguson unrest, in which he insinuates that Michael Brown's family has connections to ISIS. See , and . FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 19:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Blocked for all sorts of reasons. Acroterion (talk) 19:27, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Acroterion: Considering the six (that I'm able to count so far) vandalism hits today (so far) can we get 24 hours of semi-protection to slow things down and make sure things are properly reverted? Dusti 19:34, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Acroterion: I'm disappointed your block reason wasn't literally "for all sorts of reasons". Also, not sure protection is necessary. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 19:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I was a little pressed for time and have been away since, but I could think of at least half a dozen reasons to block. Perhaps we need a template for "too many reasons to enumerate here." I don't see protection as needed for the time being. Acroterion (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Salvidrim's wish is performed. Nyttend (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Whiffs of Wiki-PR

What are we doing about SPA editors with fairly obvious COI that have no disclosure statements on their accounts? Anything at all? Are we starting SPIs for them tied to the Morning277 account or what? Not naming them now to avoid notification but it's not hard to tell when an account is doing paid editing. There's nothing inappropriate in the article creations, some might even be notable, but some are not. More importantly there is no clear disclosure per WP:COI. §FreeRangeFrog 19:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

What we usually should first do is tell them to do it, right? See further general discussion here Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's what I did. Let's see how it goes. I think we should have a bit more teeth in these cases. Thanks. §FreeRangeFrog 20:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

If it's behaviour that could be the result of someone not knowing/understanding our policies, then it's probably best to assume it is the result of ignorance, and avoid baring our teeth for a while. ( Didn't that used to be a policy round here? ) The Land (talk) 21:00, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing newbie about the account, and I didn't intend to bite them, but rather make sure that they are adhering to COI, such as it is. But I wasn't sure if for example we were retroactively moving their created articles to Draft for review or something like that. Maybe we should, but that's another matter. §FreeRangeFrog 22:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Ahh, OK, I think I understand the issue better now. So the question is what do we do when there is good evidence that people are breaching the COI policy (and/or the Terms of Use), but with contributions that aren't otherwise particularly problematic; have I got that right? Well, ultimately, blocking them will be appropriate if polite reminders about the policies don't work... The Land (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. But not following the COI is a problem. Thing is, there is no specific policy-based rationale for blocking someone on the basis that they are not following COI, nor is there a "mandate" for sending all their created articles prior to disclosure to the draft namespace for review (as an example of something we should be doing IMO). Of course they can be blocked for disruptive behavior and whatnot, but that's it. §FreeRangeFrog 23:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing, WP:CRYSTALBALLs, WP:IDHT and a British IP

There has been a problem with a British IP that has a case of WP:IDHT with regards to sourcing, WP:CRYSTALBALLs, and future broadcast dates across a large number of articles. A non-comprehensive list of IPs the user has used in the past:

• 85.211.138.92 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.195.143 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.204.54 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.203.136 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.142.182 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 85.211.196.201 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I have been hiding the future broadcast dates by commenting them out on the base that they were added in good faith and time will eventually be able to verify the dates, but the editor comes along, sometimes minutes later and removes the comment brackets.

The some of the affected articles include:

• Tokyo ESP
• Rokujyoma no Shinryakusha!?
• Glasslip
• Tokyo Ghoul
• Argevollen
• Hanayamata
• Magimoji Rurumo
• List of Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya episodes
• Rail Wars!
• Futsū no Joshikōsei ga Locodol Yattemita

—Farix (t | c) 23:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

LGBT topic ban requested

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The topic ban should cover LGBT topics broadly considered. The emphasis is on same-sex marriage (or same-sex "marriage", as the editor calls it), Gay Pride events (they rename sections and piped links to articles as "Same-sex promotion" and that sort of thing), and LGBT legislation. I have no opinion at this moment on whether they should be topic-banned from related article talk pages, but others may have one. Thank you for your consideration. Drmies (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support per the evidence presented in both threads mentioned by Drmies. Calidum 16:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support plenty of provocation here. --Randykitty (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support thank you for raising this request. --Fæ (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support per evidence provided via Misplaced Pages:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:LGBT_rights_in_Croatia.23.27Public_promotion_of_LGBT_issues.27_bias. User in question is trying to impose his personal views. Ron 1987 (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support SPQRobin (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support I encountered this editor for the first time yesterday and saw some disturbing edits. I raised the issue at the Wikiproject LGBT studies to get other editors to weigh in. From reading his comments, I would guess this editor perhaps lacks the maturity to edit articles dealing with topics he is uncomfortable with. There may also be a language issue (the editor identifies as Polish so English is not his first language) as he does not seem to understand that the word "pride" in this context is not POV and that altering it to his own terminology actually is POV. He seems to be doing credible work elsewhere so perhaps he should stay away from controversial topics. freshacconci talk to me 18:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. I would have done so earlier but it's Saturday and I had to run some errands. I even ate lunch. This is not a language issue. This is a bias issue. He doesn't just say he's Polish on his user page. He says he's against same-sex marriage (twice). He's entitled to hold those beliefs, but he's not allowed to transport them to Misplaced Pages pages. These edits are not in a gray area. They are way beyond neutral. The terrorism diff is a truly nasty piece of work. (BTW, it should be "broadly construed".)--Bbb23 (talk) 20:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support - And I think calling someone a dumbass in edit summary is enough to lose faith that they could handle a discussion calmly and dispassionately on the corresponding talk pages.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support: even a cursory glance at the evidence at DRN shows me a topic ban is needed. Repeated POV violations, not least the deplorable terrorism comment, and incivility to other editors when discussing the changes. Since I doubt he will have much productive to say, a ban from talk pages is also warranted. BethNaught (talk) 20:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support I don't believe such people should be allowed to contribute to this wiki at all. The user clearly fails to understand what an encyclopedia is. Vogone (talk) 20:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Not a good fit for the topic in terms of competency or neutrality. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 21:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support (Non-administrator comment) I'm not an administrator and I rarely support topic bans, and have been outside of the majority view when it comes to them. I don't usually support them unless they're unambiguously disruptive, and I see in this case that it is indeed necessary. The user in question may have a lighter head when they edit areas where they're able to contribute civilly and without a predetermined POV. Tutelary (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support The editor is not here to improve LGBT articles, he's here to push an obvious moralistic negative POV on them. They should stick to the topics they don't have a problem with. §FreeRangeFrog 22:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support. User is incapable of editing the topic in a neutral manner. Maturity issues also come into play. Viriditas (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support Miniapolis 00:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support, we don't need that sort of bigotry or trolling here. Lankiveil 05:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC).

Very small backlog needs clearing

First of all, sorry if anyone feels that I am an impatient person. Misplaced Pages talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage has a small backlog. 3 users including me have asked for permission to use AWB. The last admin activity on this page was on 21 August. Can someone respond there. Sorry again, if you don't like this method of asking for permission.--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I will get around to looking there, but I am concentrating on content creation in the last couple of days. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

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