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Hello, WikiProject Feminism. I notice ] has 72 edits and is the most edited article there but is only of "mid-importance" while ], which is more relevant to feminism and also of "high-importance" has only half that number. I'm curious why so many edits have occurred on this specific page, if you don't mind.--] (]) 02:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC) Hello, WikiProject Feminism. I notice ] has 72 edits and is the most edited article there but is only of "mid-importance" while ], which is more relevant to feminism and also of "high-importance" has only half that number. I'm curious why so many edits have occurred on this specific page, if you don't mind.--] (]) 02:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
:The edit counter includes all edits made to the article by any editor, not just those made by members of WikiProject Feminism. Even your edits would be included in the count. As far as I can tell, there is only one editor from this WikiProject who has had anything to do with the topic.--] <sub>] ]</sub> 03:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Discussion about "she" for ships

There's a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style#A much gentler proposal about changing the Manual of Style to deprecate the use of "she" for ships. As it concerns the intersection of grammatical gender with actual gender, I thought some of you might be interested. --John (talk) 07:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Sex differences in psychology‎‎

FYI, the article sex differences in psychology‎‎ has been mostly rewritten by someone who appears to be a men's rights activist (and has been topic banned from articles related to men's rights). I haven't had time to take a look at it, but it would be nice if someone from this project could look at it and make sure it is still adhering to the NPOV and verifiability policies. Cheers! Kaldari (talk) 23:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Just from a quick look I would say a) he's jargoned it up a bit too much without defining terms in the text, to the point it's not too useful (I got a headache reading it the first couple sections and didn't read as carefully to end as might have otherwise); b) he's removed the ongoing nature-nurture debate and replaced it with jargon that may or may not be relevant; c) he probably has included a bias that biology is the far greater force determining bias, as if that is the established and unchallenged view. I suspect the consensus is, for example, closer to 40 bio/60 culture influence on male vs. female psychology as opposed to 70 bio/30 culture which his changes seem to suggest. As in so many articles, one really would have to have a good knowledge of the topic to know what might be missing and also do a reference by reference check to see if sources are accurately presented. Big job. Don't have time myself. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 03:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Feminist technoscience

Hey, all! I'm a male supporter of feminism, but haven't read that much on feminist theory. This article needs a lot more sourcing; but, while I have no doubt the concept that technology can influence women's place in society are fairly mainstream, but it's a little hard to tell if the framing of them, as set out in this article, and the term selected are mainstream. Talk page is somewhat ugly, so I thought it better to come here. Adam Cuerden 22:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to delete categories involving literature by women.

There is a proposal to delete categories involving literature by women, including deleting Literature by African-American women, Literature by Asian-American women, Literature by Native American women, Literature by Hispanic and Latino American women. See discussion here: . __ E L A Q U E A T E 23:33, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Image for "Sex differences" template

I started a discussion at Template talk:Sex differences about the image used for that template. Please feel free to join the discussion if you have any opinions about it. Kaldari (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Statement of support for WikiProject Feminism: "Some of us dream"

Statement of support for WikiProject Feminism: "Some of us dream"

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Brothers and Sisters. I am somewhat new to Misplaced Pages and completely new to this Wikiproject, but from what I've already read here, I feel very confident saying that you can consider me and rely on me to be a strong supporter of the goals of your Feminism WikiProject, especially as it relates to: 1) the history of feminism, ancient feminists (such as Siduri, Marie de France and Eleanor of Aquitaine), 2) concepts related to feminist philosophy, feminists and feminist work and essays, and 3) feminism as it relates to Misplaced Pages and potentially using this and the closely related Editor Retention WikiProject to help promote discussion of feminist issues such as the significant and continued LOSS of female editors from Misplaced Pages over the past few years to the point where women are now significantly under-represented, and whether or not there is actually even Wiki-consensus that this is a problem, and if so, what can be done about it.

Best, Jim

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Will you and your colleagues here give me consensus permission to post the TZsnip text here for your review? The text was generated from multiple contributors but I myself am the only one using the Jim-Siduri Misplaced Pages account to post this TZsnip text, so my interpretation of WP:ROLE would make this snipped text insert within Wiki-regulations.

  • Support - My friends and I have significant resources that could be used/leveraged to implement any consensus solution, and whatever is needed that we don't already have, I promise we will do our best to obtain it, but, unfortunately we have not been able to agree on a proposed solution. Any help/comment/advice would be much appreciated. I will insert the snipped current conversation into the section above with your support (please note this occurred in de-identified space "the Twilight Zone" so every idea is deidentified with the term "Some of us..."). This is a very unconventional approach to problem solving and many dislike it, at least initially, but I promise, if given permission to post it ("bizarre", "off the wall" and conceptually radical as it may be), to immediately remove the text at any time should it lose consensus support to be here.Jim-Siduri (talk) 21:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Please don't paste a bunch of text here as you have done in the past on your user page, which was deleted after a suitably wide discussion. And don't try to pass off Siduri as a major feminist figure when there is just about no scholarship making that connection. Instead, state your aim plainly and briefly. Binksternet (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Closing - Whatever your point is user:Jim-Siduri, the phrase "My friends and I have significant resources that could be used/leveraged to implement any consensus solution" is a major red flag. Maybe there's a language difference here but what you seem to be doing is looking for help to push a POV - this is against the rules and I advise you to listen to Binksternet's points.
    Furthermore as this is neither a poll nor a discussion because the first post is VERY confused I'm closing this to prevent other people sinking their time into this cul de sac--Cailil 22:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
July 30, 2014 (draft letter)

July 30, 2014 (draft letter)

(Draft 1.0 Letter regarding solving gender gap and promoting open discussion regarding civility – unfinished/not technically “WikiProject” please don’t delete me!)
Sisters, Misplaced Pages needs your help! The atmosphere here is horrible and the gender gap has only gotten worse. The current number of highly active Wiki-admins/editors that are women has dropped into the single digits. I mean, single digit percent, not that I thought there were less than 10 females on Misplaced Pages, although sometimes I wonder :)
I understand it has been pretty uncivilized here for a few years, and the resulting hostile atmosphere has meant many of you have left, but we can AT LEAST promise you that we will do our best to try to make it at least a little more civilized here, and our Civility WikiProject, when it is hopefully approved, will provide an OPEN PLATFORM for discussion, in a safe place, ON WIKIPEDIA, where all parties can participate in an open discussion without closing any discussion, every page, every project, every word would be forever open to discussion, with the primary topic of conversation being: “How can we increase Civility at Misplaced Pages and reduce the gender gap?” Any good faith idea, any possible solution, any project can be proposed at WikiProject-Civility for support/oppose voting to determine Wiki-consensus.
I need you help at WikiProject-Civility to help us build the best encyclopedia we can, and I promise, we promise, to do a better job of welcoming new editors and new contributors (especially for multimedia (REF:I, Jim, think that the WMF is aware that this is a significant long-term problem and that they are working on resolving it - for example, licensing Britannica's multimedia would be an idea they should perhaps re-consider as their easiest path out of the forest, a good start, the right direction..., but is not my current scope, due to the Misplaced Pages commercial/entertainment use provision being so fundamentally buried in the Wiki movement belief Canon, to the extent that the Multimeme for "free use" has been described as close to religious, reality be damned, data be damned, women be damned, all us be damned. Unless we try to change it.)
I have been treated in a very uncivil way here myself, I think we can find the solutions together. I promise to do my best to try to make it a more civilized place that you would feel comfortable coming and helping us out at. I promise to try to make this a safe place for you to return to and help us out at. A place run with a little more respect for what Some of us are trying to do here. A civil place. A place we are proud to work at. Diderot’s Misplaced Pages, our Misplaced Pages.
In response to completely understandable fears about censorship, and widespread fears about an Orwellian “Thought Police” nightmare, I see it from your perspective, I SHARE your fears and will be VERY responsive to any rule that gets anywhere close that that nightmare, that is not my dream at all, but I do want to bring my family here, if possible. Please, I know it can be hard, stop and try to see it from our perspective just once:
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Some of us consider this an important place of work, some of us are working on building the archives of our civilization’s knowledge.
Some of us don’t want our Wiki-articles, the subjects we are passionate about, polluted with negativity, hostility or vulgarity, if at all possible.
Some of us would like to remind all of us that everything you record here will be read and judged by your children and your ancestors, many years from now, please consider your digital legacy. Your legacy will be judged based on your actions here, fighting for Misplaced Pages's future and a civil place that we can be proud of.
Some of us LOVE Misplaced Pages, and want our families, OUR CHILDREN, to visit us here, to volunteer their time here.
Some of us have young children that will be using laptops very soon and will very likely spend a lot of their homework time here learning about our world.
Some of us have grandchildren in similar situations.
Some of us will be deeply ashamed if we have not: 1) permitted the creation of a dedicated WikiProject-Civility to address the incivility reported by many in the Misplaced Pages community, 2) demonstrated significant reforms that improve civility and 3) bring back female editors who left for incivility reasons with 3.1) AN APOLOGY, 3.2) a promise that we will, as a community, find a better way to resolve our disputes, 3.3) we will explore new conceptual/technological solutions to problem solving, such as creating a de-identified space “Ideas without Egos”, the “Twilight Zone” or whatever we want to call it, in order to hopefully improve the incivility problem, and hopefully others.
Some of us would also like to add, that we understand that it is funny, well written and/or conceptually interesting, and some of us admit to not being saints ourselves, but some of us find it hard to justify the existence of WP:DICK and the putative WP:CUNT having ANY place in the type of Wiki-encyclopedia we want to be involved with.
Some of us recognize the telling tale of a straw man dancing through the flames, but sincerely hope that if ANY conversation has any chance of being civil on Misplaced Pages, it should be the one about trying to be more civil.
Some of us think that the opponents of police states, the opponents of oppression, either: 1) prevent this Civility "army"/task-force from forming, or 2) make sure the opposing voice is heard in any discussions to make sure this nightmare never become reality.
Some of us agree and think that any Civility leadership/membership/group structure that ends up existing in this Wikiproject will make a conserted effort to give time, space and understanding to ALL points of view, in a CIVIL WAY, and try to LEAD BY EXAMPLE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim-Siduri (talk • contribs) 10:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Some of have higher aspirations for our permanent digital archive to our civilization’s knowledge.
Some of us think that this is important work that we are doing here.

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I don't want to sound “preachy” or I may get stoned for trying to start a “Wiki-religion” again, but some of us really are passionate about Diderot’s idea/concept/Multimeme that the “purpose of an encyclopedia is to collect knowledge disseminated around the globe; to set forth its general system to the men with whom we live, and transmit it to those who will come after us, so that the work of preceding centuries will not become useless to the centuries to come; and so that our offspring, becoming better instructed, will at the same time become more virtuous and happy, and that we should not die without having rendered a service to the human race in the future years to come.” (Diderot) That sounds like a pretty civil place, can we talk about Diderot, his philosophies and other civility-related subjects/sub-projects without the threat of censorship, please?
I am somewhat new to Misplaced Pages, so don’t know how to do this yet, but I would like to propose:
WikiProject-Civility
With the mission statement being: A protected place to be able to discuss all civility related issues, with both sides been given a safe place to work on solutions for the civility issues we currently see at Misplaced Pages.
  • Support. A wise man once said “Misplaced Pages does not have firm rules”, that they could evolve over time. I agree with him and politely suggest that we need to carefully review the rules, all of them, in order to make sure the civility issues we have now can at least be improved to the level that I won’t be embarrassed to bring my family here? My daughter will be coming here soon to start to use Misplaced Pages for her homework, she may see something that she could add and want to help out, we need some common sense civility rules at least to the public, to the new editor, and a place to decide what those rules are, with respect to Diderot’s dream being our ideal, although always working in partnership with, and respect for the fiver pillars and all subsequent Wiki-regulation and essays. Best, JimJim-Siduri (talk) 09:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Past Masters partnership

Hey All. At the Misplaced Pages Library, we just opened up a partnership with Intelex's Past Masters. Included in the partnership is access to scholarly editions of a number of Women Writers, including all of the scholarly apparatus that makes great source material for writing articles. For more information of what's in the collection, see their list of works. I would like to encourage anyone interested to apply for access at WP:Past Masters!Sadads (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Article request: U.S.-Afghan Women's Council

Hello. Would some of you please consider creating a page on the U.S.-Afghan Women's Council, co-chaired by Laura Bush and Hillary Rodham Clinton? I think the page would be very useful, and very easy to find lots of references about it. I could create a stub, but I suspect some of you may be able to create a lengthier article. Let me know on my talkpage when you have created it. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:17, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

New member

Hi. I just joined the project yesterday. I am going to create two new articles: Stop Porn Cultures and National Feminist Anti-Pornography Movement. Lightbreather (talk) 18:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lightbreather: Glad to have you aboard! Looking forward to seeing the new articles. Let me know if you need any proofreading. Cheers! Kaldari (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Lightbreather (talk) 02:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
It's a stubby-start class, but here is one Stop Porn Culture.

--Lightbreather (talk) 00:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Gender Gap related workshops at Wikimania 2014

Obviously getting more women involved in Misplaced Pages, including to beef up womens and feminist articles, is a concern here. Wikimania 2014 in London has five workshops related to the gender gap during the August 8-10 programme. Not too late to sign up!

I went in 2012 and it was a lot of fun. Quick, get those passports out! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

New section "Radical feminism and transgenderism" discussion

I invite folks to come discuss a recent addition of a section entitled "Radical feminism and transgenderism" to Radical feminism at this talk page section. Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Sara Jeannette Duncan

I've substantially improved the bio at Sara Jeannette Duncan but I'm going to struggle on the literary side of things. I'm posting this here and at the literature project in the hope that someone might be able to make a better job of it than I'm likely to do - there are plenty of sources out there, lit. crit. and otherwise, including at GBooks and JSTOR. Duncan was a Canadian who wrote mostly about Anglo-Indian society and had both a strong feminist angle and a Tariff Reform League-based interpretation of imperialism. I've got some bare bones in but I'm going to end up with far too many quotes unless someone with more clue can help out. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, the literature project won't touch it because it is out of scope; nor, for the same reason, will the Books project. I've left an amended version of the above message at the Biography project - see here. - Sitush (talk) 13:37, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:RSN on Transadvocate use in BLP

Regarding article Radical feminism and comments about women. Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Transadvocate_use_in_BLP.2C_etc. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

At WP:RSN you still haven't demonstrated what BLP you're talking about. Tutelary (talk) 14:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
That issue was made even more clear for those who don't understand that BLP doesn't mean just a whole biographical article, but any mention of individuals. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:06, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Transwomen on Woman

Requesting a few people to scan Woman for cissexist and biological essentialist statements. I noticed today that it could use some improvement. The article is woefully lacking mentions of transwomen (only mentioned once). Currently discussion on talk page to include images of transwomen on page. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#WP:SIGNPOST_and_random_photos_of_tits

Hi ladies, this project might be interested in discussion at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#WP:SIGNPOST_and_random_photos_of_tits. 175.136.66.69 (talk) 23:38, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Affirmative consent

Would an expert on the subject care to add some more information to help balance the Affirmative consent article? Thanks. Yev Yev (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Organized effort to vandalize pages

Warning to readers: transphobia, hate speech.

Admins and fellow users should be aware of an effort by users on gendertrender.wordpress.com to vandalize pages on WP related to transwomen, specifically Laverne Cox. Today, an IP editor posted a link to this webpage and made similar anti-trans remarks on Talk:War on Women. Link to page regarding effort: link here. Thank you to ‎Ramendik for bringing this to our attention. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:06, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


The issue already has been dealt with as of several days ago. TheAnon IP is from a US House Representative address. This incident has been covered by mainstream media - see The hill, Raw Story, etc. But I guess they are back.
The "warning" is a bit of hyperbole, since we'd have to search around history for whatever was written and quickly reverted on Cox article. (As opposed to the rather obvious use of "C*NT" word in various recent ANI and or Jimbo Wales talk page discussions.)
Finally, re: the "War on Women" talk page, "gendertrender" itself obviously is not RS. However, the site often links to mainstream articles on the topic. Some of the issues they mentioned are gaining more mainstream attention. So at some point editors could bring them up in relevant articles with proper sourcing, if not in the "war on women" article, since the phrase would have to be used in a RS article. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
If users want to bring up valid issues using RS, that's fine. But the users on gendertrender appear only interested in changing wikipedia because of their bigotry. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, this header is inaccurate since it's readers of Gendertrender not necessarily the couple individuals involved. So let's not out people without evidence - or at all?? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 01:59, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Carolmooredc what/who am I outing? I don't know if these are the same people as the USHOR IP editor(s) or not, but this hate group is clearly discussing disruptive edits. I see no problem in alerting the community to this. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
You are falsely alleging specific individuals (whoever runs/writes at) that website is doing vandalism. Do you know that those individuals have IP Addresses in Congress or those specific Addresses? And if by chance any of them did edit here and was not responsible for those edits, technically you'd be outing editors for something they did not do. In any case, accusing individuals of vandalism that has been discussed in news sources is tacky at best and libelous if they decided to claim libel. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Carolmooredc WP:OUTING is related to posting personal info. I've not posted personal info. I never said that the members on that site are vandalizing, only that they appear to be planning to. I think I see your confusion now upon re-reading my original post. Let me reword: Today, an IP editor posted a linked to this webpage and many made similar anti-trans remarks on Talk:War on Women. One spelling error and a confusing choice of words. Better now? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
The point is your subject lines (here and at ANI) directly accuse specific individuals (whoever runs that site) of vandalism. You should shorten them to "Organized effort to vandalize pages" or at least say "From AnonIP at US House of Representatives" since that's where it comes from. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 03:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
That point was not clear to me.  Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up EvergreenFir. Kaldari (talk) 04:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
apparently they tried. And, it does appear that the same user who did the other edits is involved. From the same thread on gendertrender:
BEGIN QUOTE hearthrising Says: August 26, 2014 at 3:57 pm
The “woman” page on Misplaced Pages seems to be locked for ordinary editors. Seems like there needs to be an agreement amongst high level editors to change anything on this particular page. Keeps the wrong kind of people from changing things. I’m surprised they allowed the female reproductive organ picture up there.My edits on Misplaced Pages generally get reversed quickly. I’ve tried to fix a lot of things, and some of my revisions stay, but I’ve decided this is not a good use of my time. Until mainstream opinions change about women’s rights, this crap is going to continue. END QUOTE
Curiouser and curiouser. Googling "hearthrising" gets a few commeons on blogs of a similar nature. Also, thanks for the locking. Ramendik (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

AfD Courageous Cunts

Here. Keeps getting re-listed. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Is it just me? Are photos of pudenda necessary to these kinds of articles? I supposed to some it an empowerment or reclaiming thing, but I find it distasteful. And why are they always shaved? Real women have hair. If we're going to show 'em, then let's at least show 'em like they really are. Grrr. Lightbreather (talk) 00:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

History of women's rights in South Africa

The article is an unsourced POV essay and needs to be either blown up and rewritten or deleted. It can potentially become a very interesting article as it is an very complex topic inextricably bound up in social and historical factors such as colonialism, traditional African paternalism, racism, Apartheid, and democratization. If anyone here is willing to help fix it please join the discussion at WT:WikiProject South Africa#History of women's rights in South Africa. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Antifeminism very UNDUE; need help

Anyone with knowledge of antifeminism and/or history, Antifeminism needs a lot of work. Currently there is way way too much focus on women antifeminists. I've listed issues here for anyone interested in helping. Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

WP:ANI on “disruption of Wikiproject”

Here is an ANI posting regarding problems at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:51, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Feminism stub

Is there a template for feminism stub articles? Lightbreather (talk) 00:05, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ad feminam

It currently re-directs to Ad hominem, where there is no mention of it. I believe it should have it's own page, this is a comment from another editor left on the Ad feminam talk page explaining why:

"This article only discusses the term as an error. Words such as this (as with womyn/wymyn and herstory) were generally coined with specific purpose to make a specific point, which is entirely missing from this article. These neologisms are not "errors," whether in latin or English. The originators of "herstory" for example (Mary Daly?) did not believe that "history" is related to the masculine pronoun. It is a play on words to make a point: that history as commonly taught has a masculine bias.

Seems to me that efforts to characterize these arguments as "errors" rooted in lack of English/Latin knowledge might be a very good example of what "ad feminam" was coined to describe. Stuart Strahl (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)"

Bridenh (talk) 10:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Do we have any reliable sources that talk about this neologism? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 15:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
There aren't many, mostly just definitions, and this longer one:
"A modern coinage patterned on ad hominem is ad feminam, as in "Its treatment of Nabokov and its ad feminam attack on his wife Vera often border on character assassination" (Simon Karlinsky). Though some would argue that this neologism is unnecessary because the Latin word homo refers to humans generically, rather than to the male sex, in some contexts ad feminam has a more specific meaning than ad hominem, being used to describe attacks on women as women or because they are women, as in "Their recourse ... to ad feminam attacks evidences the chilly climate for women's leadership on campus" (Donna M. Riley).
Its different from the regular ad hominem because the attack is used to discredit an argument simply because a woman made it. This is an old edit of the Ad feminam page, before it was "merged" with ad hominem - where there is no mention of it. Bridenh (talk) 19:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Cool! If multiple reliable dictionaries have it, then it avoids some concerns in WP:NEOLOGISM. But do we have enough info about its coinage or history to make an article and avoid WP:NOTDICT? The quote you gave makes me think yes, but a more academic source or a news article would be awesome if they exist. There's always a chance someone will say it should just be merged with Ad hominem and the info on ad feminam should be included there in its own section (which might not be the worst idea if we can't find too much on it.) EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:52, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately that's all I could find, but it's certainly enough to be added on the ad hominem page, and preferably be the first in the 'Types' section. Bridenh (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
It's great you are looking at this. I kept the copy when it was deleted in 2011 and added to my big do list. Searching books google I find a lot of uses and discussions of term which can be added. Just keep going through for the best ones. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 18:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Women to the Top

This article is up for proposed deletion. Bearian (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Difference Feminism?

I've been doing a bit of editing on difference feminism, but to my knowledge this classification isn't commonly used, or at least isn't a large enough group such that I've come across it in numerous texts. In the talk page for the article I suggested altering it to 'Essentialist Feminism', which I think might be a better fit. Alternatively, the difference feminism page could be deleted, and an essentialist feminism page created in its place.
Huxley G (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

category "Nonprofit woman executives" title

Might it be more apt to not imply that "nonprofit women" exist - and use the normal construction of "Woman nonprofit executives" parallel to "Woman business executives"? Collect (talk) 12:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Is someone disagreeing with this sensible idea? Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 18:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, no. But I felt that presenting it to a wider audience than would ever read the category talk page was seemly. As a rule, no one reads category talk pages <g>. Collect (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Links help direct people to discussion place since blurry eyed editors do not always put 2 and 2 (or subject line and actual page link) together :-) Category talk:Nonprofit woman executives. OK, I'll bite in suggesting, though obviously the work of doing it and fixing redirect and eventually articles is needed too. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 18:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to broaden/rename HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry

There is a discussion, Talk:HIV/AIDS in the pornographic film industry#Propose broaden scope and rename, that members of this project may be interested in. Lightbreather (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible Misogyny on Misplaced Pages/Commons?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:SidurisAdvice.webm

"Have male Misplaced Pages multimedia contributors previously been treated in the same fashion, or is there a statistically significant correlation to female contributors being held to a... different standard at Misplaced Pages/Commons?"
Very early and inconclusive preliminary evidence suggests that: Yes, female contributors are being treated significantly more harshly on Misplaced Pages/Commons, and this appears to be based, at least partially, on misogynistic leaning in certain aspects of contemporary culture, with very large variation between countries. Please stop deleting the work of female contributors while maintaining a different standard for male contributors. Please treat all contributors equally. Please? PossibleMisogyny (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Please note that we hope to have the full report published on November 5th 2014, if we can obtain the necessary resources and political will. Hopefully some of the many good men on Misplaced Pages will stand up for their sisters #HeForShe PossibleMisogyny (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
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Just 63 women redlinks from Thompson-Reuters list of highly cited scientists

We apparently have articles for all but 63 of the female (Anglo/Western) names on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Thompson-Reuters most cited scientists#Missing woman scientists (from Z). Please see, and start a new article on a highly cited woman scientist today! EllenCT (talk) 22:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm between projects. I think I'll start one on Catherine J. Murphy. Lightbreather (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Adding Mahadevi Verma to WikiProject Feminism

I am not sure if this is the right place to suggest this, but I believe the article on Mahadevi Verma, one of the best known Hindi poets of the twentieth century who was also a prominent women's education activist, could be of interest to WikiProject Feminism. It is not in a very good state now at this point though. Piyush (talk) 02:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Fall 2014 Art+Feminism IEG & PEG Grants Notification

Hello All, the Art+Feminism Edit-a-thon organizers have prepared an IEG grant, and a PEG grant this week for the fall Wikimedia Foundation grant scholarships. These grants will fund several NYC training sessions, another major international Edit-a-thon, and the creation of infrastructure to support this year, and years going forward. The project is seeking community comment / discussion and endorsement signatures (section at the bottom of the page) to help complete the grant process. We encourage you to take a look at these grants, and offer your feedback and/or your endorsement signature if you feel the project worthy. On behalf of the other organizers. --Theredproject (talk) 01:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Why is the GamerGate article so heavily edited by WikiProject Feminism?

Hello, WikiProject Feminism. I notice this article has 72 edits and is the most edited article there but is only of "mid-importance" while gender representation in video games, which is more relevant to feminism and also of "high-importance" has only half that number. I'm curious why so many edits have occurred on this specific page, if you don't mind.--ArmyLine (talk) 02:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

The edit counter includes all edits made to the article by any editor, not just those made by members of WikiProject Feminism. Even your edits would be included in the count. As far as I can tell, there is only one editor from this WikiProject who has had anything to do with the topic.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 03:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)