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Its OK. This editor admits it's mistake.

I actually do know the difference. It was just sloppy editing on my part.- MrX 15:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Oops -- now I'm embarrassed -- I had no idea who it was, and now I'm unhappy that I was so blunt about someone who is actually quite valuable at Misplaced Pages. Please accept my apologies. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:10, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

No, really it's OK. That's the kind of mistake that I'm really embarrassed to make. Thanks for catching it.- MrX 15:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Neve Michael etc

Hello Nomoskedasticity. I was wondering if you could explain your edits to Neve Michael and Netiv HaLamed-Heh‎. Why is Palestinian preferable to Arab? All villages pre-1948 were Palestinian, but only some were Arab villages. Thanks, Number 57 09:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

It's in the source. In the title of the source, in fact. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm. I'm not sure blindly following what a source says is particularly productive (to paraphrase Samuel Johnson, in my experience it's usually it's the last refuge of the nationalist scoundrel, at least on Misplaced Pages). We frequently use different language to that used by sources where it is more appropriate to do so. Number 57 10:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Following what a source says is called WP:V. Doing otherwise is called WP:OR. Odd that an administrator needs to have this explained. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

No, it's not original research, and I'm fairly sure you're aware that it isn't (at least I'd hope you would be). As an example, if I have an autobiography of an Ipswich Town player, and it makes references to him "signing for the Blues", "playing for the Tractor Boys", "leaving the Portman Road club", this is not the kind of language we would use when using the book as a reference on Misplaced Pages – instead we would substitute all the club nicknames for "Ipswich Town", as this is unambiguous and encylopedic. But anyway, if this is the line of argument you're resorting to, then it's clear a productive discussion isn't possible here. Cheers, Number 57 10:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@Number 57: I think you should take the point more seriously. You are surely aware that the choice of Arab vs. Palestinian is highly contentious (a football analogy won't be helpful, then). Drawing on a source that uses one term to support text here that uses another is bound to lead to problems. My edit results in consistency between source and text. Why on earth would that be a bad thing? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I understand why certain editors make it a bone of contention, but I personally do not understand why it would be contentious – Palestinians are Arabs. I had hoped I had already answered your last question in both the edit summaries I used in the edits to the articles and in the first comment I made on your talk page above, but if I need to repeat it – in this context Palestinian is ambiguous – prior to 1948 "Palestinian" and "Arab" were not synonymous – all residents (and villages) were Palestinian. Hence referring to something pre-1948 as "Palestinian" does not necessarily help readers identify whether something was Arab or Jewish. Number 57 11:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly: in your view, Jews living in that part of the world prior to 1948 were "Palestinian". Hmm. I'll just let that statement speak (to anyone else who might read here) for itself. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

You might not be aware of Palestinian Jews. Number 57 12:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

"the term "Palestinian Jews" has largely fallen into disuse" -- relevance for writing text now?? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

If we were talking modern-day events, then I would agree with you, but the context of the text in question is 1948. Number 57 13:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Moving comments to RfC

I'd like to delete the new (un-needed) subsection and move my comments to the RfC. I'd like your permission to delete the subsection given that you commented in that subsection. Capitalismojo (talk) 18:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, fine -- thanks for asking. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:12, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Capitalismojo (talk) 18:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Reverting at No-go

Your revert of my AfC AfD template at No-go is duly noted. You might want to read WP:HOUND and seriously consider changing your disruptive behavior. Atsme☯ 22:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

AfC?? What is that? Anyway -- you'll note from my edit summary that your attempt to restore the WP:PROD was in violation of the clear instructions on that template. So you've got nothing to complain about. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Typo - fixed it. The problem is that you are hawking my edits. Showing up at an article coincidentally or because you actually have an interest there wouldn't have been a problem. The issue arose when you reverted my edit. Please stop your disruptive behavior. Atsme☯ 00:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

So you think it WAS okay to replace the template -- even though the template says "If this template is removed, do not replace it". Gotcha. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

No, that isn't what I think. After the Speedy Delete template was removed, I thought the template I added was the AfD template, but I was having issues over the hyphen, and Doniago fixed it, so your compulsive interference was unnecessary. I'm not a bad editor, or a vandal so please stop treating me like one, and AGF. Atsme☯ 20:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Problem with User Srj4000

Hi, I'm hoping you can help out with this, because I'm not well-versed in how to stop persistent whitewashing. Srj4000 (talk) has been engaged for almost 3 years in trying to force a non-NPOV slant on much of the Joe Paterno article. I reverted one edit he made in particular, just now, where he removed one reference and put in his own, while changing a sentence to make Paterno look better in light of the Sandusky scandal. After looking at the talk page for the article, it appears this was settled years ago, but he's back still making the same type of edits he was warned about. I'm not sure what to do next so I thought I'd ask you for help. Thank you. Rockypedia (talk) 16:55, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I had a look. Not sure what to suggest -- looks like a (mere) content dispute at this point, so the usual WP:DR paths would be the only method at this stage. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:17, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm hoping that I've handled it right so far. Rockypedia (talk) 01:23, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Let's discuss. I started a discussion on the Paterno talk page. I'm not trying to cause a "problem" or engage in "whitewashing." We should try to find the most accurate explanation. Srj4000 (talk) 03:46, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring at Steven Emerson, abusing warning templates, and other disruptive behavior

There is information at the TP and at BLPN which explain quite well why your reverts are BLP violations. Your behavior has become very disruptive, and appears to have developed into hounding. (started at Griffin, followed me to No-go and Emerson, excluding noticeboards)

Steven Emerson - you had no involvement there before I started editing, but have been disruptive to me and others.

• <---revert results in BLP violation
• <---revert Emerson
• <---revert Emerson
• <---revert Emerson

No-go_area - you had no involvement there before I started editing

• <---followed me to this article, and reverted my edit

My TP

• <----abuse of warning template
• <----casting aspursions

Breitbart

• <----edit summary refers to my human mistake as correction of illiterate edit

G. Edward Griffin - aspersions, accusations, no attempt to collaborate, stonewalling

• <--- accusations
• <--- aspersions
• <--- aspersions
• <--- aspersions
• <----refusal to read, no attempt to collaborate
• <----further WP:DONTGETIT, and no attempt to collaborate
• <----more WP:DONTGETIT, and no attempt to collaborate
• <----supporting removal of undue tag at article, no attempt to collaborate or fix undue issues
• <----reverted Atsme's undue tag
• <----taunting

My request for PP

• <----casting aspersions

Nomo's TP

• <---- Edit summary when I asked you to stop (→‎PLEASE STOP the spurious claims and personal attacks...: not likely)
• <---- taunting when I simply tried to stop him from casting aspersions
• <---- wrongly quoted policy, refused to self-revert
• <---- combative with use of profanity, taunting

There are many more, but I will not waste anymore time belaboring the point. If you believe ANI is the place for us to sort out your behavior, then perhaps that is what needs to happen. Atsme☯ 17:52, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

You've tried this crap before, and my answer is the same. If you don't remember, then search. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)