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Hey.

I do not agree with you rolling back my changes to the article. The sections I have removed are in clear violation of wiki policy. Further, you rolled back multiple individual changes at once which was unnecessary, including one where I simply added links to names.

The material I removed is inappropriate for wikipedia. Reading it should make that clear to you. "embarked on a campaign to propagate Islam", "gone back on their oaths of allegiance", and so on, is all extremely biased wording. The section also adds very little to the historical context of the events, but merely and only adds religious sentiment to the article.

The entire section talking about "apostaphy" really should be shortened. I believe my change is appropriate for wikipedia, while the section I removed is very overt religious propaganda. It also duplicates a lot of information from the Ridda wars article which is unnessesary.

Less information is preferably to propaganda and inaccurate information. Is that not true?

The change in line 101 was not mine, though. I'm not sure who made that change.

Are you a moderator/administrator of wikipedia?

Edit:

I also disagree with your assertion that I need consensus to remove information. This information is unsourced to a degree, irrelevant, and not neutral. It is propaganda and not wiki-style information. It should be removed.

Eternal of sirus (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:00, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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I have reported Qara xan to an administrator on his talk page. I herd you are aware of the issue between HistoryofIran and Qara xan I am helping HistoryofIran and trying to solve the issue. If you want to look at the report see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Materialscientist# remember the report is at the bottom of his page. Thanks! Ranabhai (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

For the next accusation of Anti-Turk/racism

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Respected sir, Thank you for your kind advice. I think its the best option.

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Ahmadilis

hi can you look on page ahmadilis a guy has added a reference from Iranian wikipedia and the author is not a historian, I did the same. The rulers have Turkish names!Turkic_ Warrior 13:42, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain Kenneth A. Luther was a historian. Have you taken this to the talk page and started a discussion? The talk page would be an excellent place to present all the sources and find a consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I have read, well done kansas bear.thank you for taking your time to solve it  :) Turkic_ Warrior 21:43, 4 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehmeett21 (talk • contribs)

Not a problem. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I ask you somethink.

Why did you delete what I wrote? I ask you something. This is theory consists, then Why Xiongnu is in History of the Mongolic peoples template? 31.200.10.66 (talk) 12:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I ask you something, why come to my talk page and make outrageous claims without any academic sources to back you up? Did I create History of the Mongolic peoples? Then I would suggest you talk to the creator of that article. You want to place Huns, Xiongnu, et. al. in your Turkic people template, start a discussion, bring your source(s) and gain a consensus. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

But sources are available in templates. 31.200.10.66 (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

See, now you are ignoring what I told you and blatantly ignoring the sources in the Hun, Xiongnu and Hephthalite Empire. Clearly you are not a "new" user, and since you are using an IP address, you are most likely a blocked editor back pushing the same POV that has been tried over and over and over and over again. When reading the Huns article, I find no mention of Turkic anything. If you are going to try the Hunnic language as a means to push your POV, note there are 6 sourced origins, none being given undue weight. The Xiongnu connection is addressed in the lead and has a source stating no connection. With the Xiongnu article, I see 6 sourced origins, none being given undue weight. The Hephthalite Empire article states 2 origins both with sources. I believe this clearly explains undue weight, clearly shows that Turkic is not a prevailing academic consensus and we are done here. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Enough rope?

O.Turani is being discussed. Edward321 (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

See also this discussion at WP:AN3. Since you are someone who has worked on this part of the world, can you provide any background? It's my guess that the person reported is most likely a sock, but it's hard to quickly understand this without knowing about the content issues. It seems that you clashed with Turan22 here. There are possibly-related SPIs at:

• Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Turan22/Archive and
• Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/O.Turani/Archive

There was an AN3 about someone named User:Turan22 here. Turan22 was trying to make a possibly-Persian famous astronomer, Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Kathīr al-Farghānī into an Uzbek.

Is someone trying to promote the significance of Uzbeks in past historical events? Were the Timurids actually Uzbeks? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

If some people are trying to push a Uzbek POV into articles they are doing it in the wrong way. As for O.Turani being a sock, at this point it's rather moot, his continued edit warring, lack of competence in English and intent to push his POV, should result in his permanent ban.

This area is on the fringe of where I research/study, however IF the Timurids are Uzbek, where are the sources for this? I found this, which mentions Timurds and Uzbeks as two separate groups. This source presents the Uzbeks and Timurids as opponents.

Here is something interesting, Rehabilitating Timur: This could only be achieved by regarding the actual Uzbek impact on Central Asia as unimportant and the attachment of the Uzbek name to a significant portion of it as incidental. Accomplishing this revision involved posthumously renaming the contemporary rivals and opponents of the Uzbeks--the Timurids--as Uzbeks. That directive required the cultural ideologists for Central Asia to accept the famed conqueror Amir Timur and his attainments as positive feature in Uzbek historiography. That rehabilitation of Amir Timur and the Timurids helped the revisionists de-emphasize the accomplishments and genealogy of the sixteenth-century Shaybanids and the closely related seventeenth-century Ashtarkhanids." --Edward Allworth, The Modern Uzbeks: From the Fourteenth Century to the Present, page 242. This also reinforces what Allworth states. I believe that gives us an answer. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

O'Turani's been blocked less than 12 hours and the first sock appears. Already reported at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/O.Turani Edward321 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

hi

kansas bear can you help me on the page naimans they are turkic but some say vandal when i edit,Mehmeett21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehmeett21 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Removal of references

Hi. You've recently removed references to Farrokh's book on the Muslim conquest of Persia page. Setting aside discussion on whether the source is credible or not, let me note that removing references without removing the referenced material is very much against the spirit and letter of Misplaced Pages principles. Let me explain: what happens in this case, is a de-facto creation of unsourced material (the material is still there, but now it looks like it's unreferenced). So you should either remove references and the referenced material or just leave things be and raise the issue on the appropriate Talk page. The latter is probably a better course of action in this particular case, since there's quite a lot of material on this page referenced from Farrokh. cherkash (talk) 05:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I do not see that as a viable reason to leave a clearly unreliable source in an article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:05, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't say it's the reason to keep the reference to an allegedly unreliable source – I said it's a reason to remove all the unreliable material which is referenced from the unreliable source (if the source, and more importantly, the information itself, is considered unreliable). Don't break the material–reference link. It's not a reference that's unreliable, it's the referenced information itself. So decision to keep or remove should be made about the article material and not simply the referencing citation. So it's together that they either stay or go. cherkash (talk) 07:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

A major problem

This guy Qara xan is getting on my nerves now. I am trying to expand this article , but he simply reverts me . If i try to discuss with him, he will most likely ignore me and if i revert the edit, he will revert it back and keep ignoring me. What would you do if you were in my place? If you have time and the will, i would really much appreciate some help here, because this is becoming problematic. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Start a discussion, addressing whatever his concerns are with your edits. That is what I would do. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

This guy just won't stop. And thinks that Britannica is reliable. Kansas Bear, could you do me and favor and help me make this guy stop? now his next target is Ahmad Sanjar and i have tried to discuss with him but it is hopeless . I can't expand articles when this guy reverts my edits every time and no one bats an eye. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Are you seriously arguing over whether Ahmad Sanjar was the longest reigning Muslim ruler? I'm not sure I would worry about something like that. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, if he get what he wants it will only get worse. A good example is this article , where I after some time said to myself "never mind, it isn't worth it". But now it has only got worse. He needs to learn that he can't do these things, because he is beginning to target the articles i edit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:25, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

User:HistoryofIran, you can always try the WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 01:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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Malik-Shah I and Sanjar

Hi, Kansas Bear. Can you share your thought about these discussions Talk:Malik-Shah I and Talk:Ahmad Sanjar because HistoryofIran don't agree with me and also i don't agree with him :). --Qara khan 23:45, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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Golden Horde

An edit war has broken out on the list of Turkic dynasties and countries article over whether the Golden Horde should be included. I think that the listing is strongly supported by the evidence, and is within the scope of the list, but I do think that it is in the wrong section. I've started a section thread on the talk. Since you have been active on the page before, I thought you might be able to help move this edit war toward constructive consensus building.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:50, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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need some help

Hello! Kansas Bear I need some help, could you give me a list of rules of this Misplaced Pages so I don't get blocked or make a mistake. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranabhai (talk • contribs) 13:36, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

More1001

Hello, Kansas Bear. I'm not quite sure would you be interested to help with this, but knowing that you're interested in history of Central Asia, India, etc I thought you'd want to take a look into this. Editor More1001 appears to be, for some time, engaging in removing of referenced, stable content and adding unreferenced data to the articles about Afghan history, as well as to other articles on Misplaced Pages (as his user contribution shows - ). I informed him it would be really appreciated if he stop with such behavior, but I don't know whether he'll listen to that. Any help from you would be really appreciated, and if you like you can inform other users interested in Afghan (or Central Asian and Indian) history about this. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 14:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Xiongnu

I see we have a common friend. Perhaps you'd like to join a discussion of him here. (He blanks his talk page to hide notices etc.) Regards, Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 23:46, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Banned EMr_KnG (sock master) returned to WP

His new accounts:

• Madyas (talk · contribs)
• Mehmeett21 (talk · contribs)

Compare with old account:

• EMr_KnG (talk · contribs)

same edits, same behavior. Just watch targeted articles. --188.158.96.246 (talk) 22:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Prithviraj Chauhan

Nicely put. The if any, in particular ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I thought I would throw that in before that particular editor appears on the talk page and starts an unsourced rant. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)