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:::Nope. We are not going to describe Calvin as having a "clear and independent intellect", and neither are we going to include wording that makes assertions about the sovereignty (or even existence) of God. This is an encyclopaedia, not a religious tract. ] (]) 06:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC) :::Nope. We are not going to describe Calvin as having a "clear and independent intellect", and neither are we going to include wording that makes assertions about the sovereignty (or even existence) of God. This is an encyclopaedia, not a religious tract. ] (]) 06:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
::Since astrology has a religious expression about it, I think some sort of addition to the article would provide an expanded perspective of how the subject is viewed in a broader scope. At this point, it might be easier for the community to summarize what they think the religious view of astrology should be, and I can then search for an appropriate source to back up the information. The short description of how astrology is represented in the Bible is that the Bible references the constellations and other heavenly bodies to mark current events but the Scriptures oppose the worship of these heavenly bodies. Perhaps some short statement along these lines can be composed with the appropriate consensus and added to the article. ] (]) 19:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC) ::Since astrology has a religious expression about it, I think some sort of addition to the article would provide an expanded perspective of how the subject is viewed in a broader scope. At this point, it might be easier for the community to summarize what they think the religious view of astrology should be, and I can then search for an appropriate source to back up the information. The short description of how astrology is represented in the Bible is that the Bible references the constellations and other heavenly bodies to mark current events but the Scriptures oppose the worship of these heavenly bodies. Perhaps some short statement along these lines can be composed with the appropriate consensus and added to the article. ] (]) 19:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
:::No, we don't decide what we want the article to say, and then look for sources which support it - we find appropriate sources on the subject, and then summarise, with due balance, the views expressed in such sources. And please don't assume that this encyclopaedia is written from a Christian perspective. It isn't. Our readers (and contributors) are of all faiths, and none. And accordingly we will not conflate 'religion' with 'Christianity' - or conflate one particular Christian perspective on the subject with that of Christianity in general for that matter. ] (]) 22:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Additions to theological viewpoints

I would like to expand the theological viewpoint section with some information derived from a biblical perspective, specifically Protestant Christianity and Judaism. What would the community of this page like to see in this area. My initial addition was reverted, so I am looking for feedback to make improvements. One editor noted that I should obtained a better source for the material.Edwardjones2320 (talk) 05:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Do you have better sources? Academic sociology sources would be good. If it's a very large denomination (I mean on an international scale, nothing US-centric), I'd say their position statement reliably outlines their theological position (no for fact statements beyond their own position). It would be suitable for inclusion due to the obviousness of their relevance to theological viewpoints and their size (in lieu of weight being established by those academic sources which presumably exist). Second Quantization (talk) 22:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
It would seem the best thing to do would be to research the relation between, say Christianity and astrology and then add material to Christian views on astrology? Second Quantization (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Below is a proposed draft on this topic along with an appropriate source. Let me know your feedback.
The clear and independent intellect of John Calvin, the great theologian of the Reformation, was in advance of the superstitions of his age. He warned about astrology which presumes to pronounce judgment upon a man's destiny as written in the stars. This spurious science wandered from Babylon into the church at a time when other superstitions were shaken to the base. Calvin denounced attempts to reveal what God has hidden as an impious presumption. God is sovereign and not bound by any necessity of nature.
History of the Christian Church, Volume VIII: Modern Christianity. The Swiss Reformation by Philip Schaff, page 135 Edwardjones2320 (talk) 06:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Nope. We are not going to describe Calvin as having a "clear and independent intellect", and neither are we going to include wording that makes assertions about the sovereignty (or even existence) of God. This is an encyclopaedia, not a religious tract. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Since astrology has a religious expression about it, I think some sort of addition to the article would provide an expanded perspective of how the subject is viewed in a broader scope. At this point, it might be easier for the community to summarize what they think the religious view of astrology should be, and I can then search for an appropriate source to back up the information. The short description of how astrology is represented in the Bible is that the Bible references the constellations and other heavenly bodies to mark current events but the Scriptures oppose the worship of these heavenly bodies. Perhaps some short statement along these lines can be composed with the appropriate consensus and added to the article. Edwardjones2320 (talk) 19:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
No, we don't decide what we want the article to say, and then look for sources which support it - we find appropriate sources on the subject, and then summarise, with due balance, the views expressed in such sources. And please don't assume that this encyclopaedia is written from a Christian perspective. It isn't. Our readers (and contributors) are of all faiths, and none. And accordingly we will not conflate 'religion' with 'Christianity' - or conflate one particular Christian perspective on the subject with that of Christianity in general for that matter. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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