Revision as of 12:42, 8 April 2015 editKierzek (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, IP block exemptions, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers53,765 edits →A barnstar for you!: Thanks← Previous edit | Revision as of 12:42, 8 April 2015 edit undoKierzek (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, IP block exemptions, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers53,765 editsm →A barnstar for you!Next edit → | ||
Line 286: | Line 286: | ||
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Awarded for exemplary editing performance in a protracted and heated debate revolving around the "Battle of Berlin" article. ] (]) 00:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC) | |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Awarded for exemplary editing performance in a protracted and heated debate revolving around the "Battle of Berlin" article. ] (]) 00:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
|} | |} | ||
Thank you; I must say that I was one editor of several who were working towards a solution of the situation. ] (]) 12:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC) |
Revision as of 12:42, 8 April 2015
Archives |
Template:Multicol1 - April 2009 – August 2011 |
Due to a increased work load, I will be less active on Misplaced Pages but will reply to messages, et cetera when I can. Thank you.
Stefanie Rabatsch
There is quite a lot of sources on Stefanine, including Kershaw, Toland, Linge and Kubizek. The Misplaced Pages article on Stefanie is rather horribly written and doesn't have much meat on it. I will begin actively editing again very soon and my first job will be to complete the GA-expansion of Hitler's adjutants, but when that's done, do you want to start a GA-expansion of Stefanie with me? It seems to me that Stefanie is a somewhat unknown topic when it comes to Hitler; I, for instance, didn't know about her until years after I began reading about World War II and Hitler, so I think it could benefit hugely from some improvements. Should also be more interesting than writing about adjutants. What ya say? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't have time right now. "Time is our enemy." Thanks for thinking of me though; why don't you give it a go. I will try to look in on it later. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Time seems to indeed and always be the enemy. But yea, I'll give it a go regardless. You can always check on it later when u find the time. Cheers Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 01:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Kierzek (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
- BTW-it should be noted that Kershaw considers the story of Stefanie exaggerated in relation to the young Hitler. Kierzek (talk) 13:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw Kershaw comments on Stefanie's and that he believes the story about her and Hitler to exaggerated, but, having read The Young Hitler I knew more than three times from start to finish, I don't think Kubizek would have devoted an entire chapter to the story if it was no more then a pubby love. I also consider someone who lived with Hitler for several years during the romance to be more reliable than an historian—regardless of which historian and with no disrespect to Kershaw. But, when I improve and expand the article, I will also expand Kershaw's and other historians POV on the subject, if there any more. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- BTW-it should be noted that Kershaw considers the story of Stefanie exaggerated in relation to the young Hitler. Kierzek (talk) 13:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Kierzek (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
- Time seems to indeed and always be the enemy. But yea, I'll give it a go regardless. You can always check on it later when u find the time. Cheers Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 01:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
You say you like a good crisis?
Hi. I saw some of a movie on Judith Exner recently, but Misplaced Pages doesn't have a page on it. And you may have an interest, I'm trying to get the Cuban Missile Crisis capitalized again, on the Cuban missile crisis talk page, just to stop JFK from rolling in his grave (he may have Exner in there). Randy Kryn 13:44 14 January, 2015 (UTC)
- I don't believe every fictionalised TV movie needs an article entry. As to your second query, I do agree with you as the CMC event; it is a proper noun. I will put in my 2 cents on the talk page therein. Kierzek (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Vorbunker
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Vorbunker you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 00:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. I look forward to your comments. Note: I am going out of town early Saturday morning, but will be back Monday afternoon. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 02:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
- I will be checking in on a lap top. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
- I am back home. Kierzek (talk) 01:52, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Vorbunker
The article Vorbunker you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Vorbunker for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
- I will get to them. Thanks, Kierzek (talk) 12:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Vorbunker
The article Vorbunker you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Vorbunker for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. Kierzek (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations! good work. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Diannaa. Kierzek (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
- Congratulations! good work. -- Diannaa (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Ludwig Hahn
Hi, I just came across Ludwig Hahn due to his relationship (brother in law) with Johannes Steinhoff. Are you familiar with his (Hahn) biography? Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
- No, not really. I recall his man was an SS member and had a law degree (the SS attracted quite a few with that degree of education to their ranks, including: Walter Schellenberg, and Otto Ohlendorf) and I know he commanded an Einsatzgruppe. Nothing, I am sure you don't already know. Kierzek (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi
Thanks for the heads up on the March talk page. It probably won't be moved unless a large consensus forms, to more such a page needs overwhelming support (or at least I'd think so). I've never read the page, so finding a glaring mistake in the lead was well worth the trip over there. I've played with the Jackie Kennedy template, could you take a look at it to see what else could be done. Wondering if Caroline's son (can't reacall is name) will be the next generation to run for office. A grandson of a president will do well in today's U.S. political climate, where relatives of presidents are all the rage (within the two opposite meanings of the word). Randy Kryn 3:52 31 January, 2015 (UTC)
- I will look at it this weekend. Kierzek (talk) 04:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- I could not find a "Jackie" Kennedy template and therefore assume you mean the Jack Kennedy one; I reviewed it and it looks okay to me at this point. Kierzek (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Sexuality of Adolf Hitler
The article passed without much more work. Excellent job. :) Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 00:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing it. Kierzek (talk) 00:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
- Are you mad? :-) -OberRanks (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Aren't we all? Kierzek (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- I just want to be made head of the Red Cross! -OberRanks (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Just remember not to play with hand grenades at the dinner table. Kierzek (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- I just want to be made head of the Red Cross! -OberRanks (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Aren't we all? Kierzek (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Are you mad? :-) -OberRanks (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Ciano
It's common knowledge that the Ciano diaries are fake, right? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 14:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well its debatable; I recall that in years past some historians used them for citing in their works, but there are some who content that they were added to and "spiced up" for propaganda reasons. Unlike the so-called "Hitler Diaries", I don't recall them being declared totally fake. I am going from memory here and I am sure you can find further research on the subject elsewhere for details. Kierzek (talk) 14:21, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I know that Ciano writes in December 1940, "The mess we're in now is due to Erwin Rommel. If it wasn't for Rommel we wouldn't be in this mess" ... Rommel wasn't sent to North Africa until two months later, February 1941! So there's the first peace of evidence the diaries are fake, or have been altered, like you said for possible propaganda reasons. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that is a good example; his wife smuggled the diaries out and into Switzerland and I recall they ended up in the hands of the OSS and British, as well. Kierzek (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- I think I'll write a notification or review for The Bugle to warn other users not to use it as a RS. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 17:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that is a good example; his wife smuggled the diaries out and into Switzerland and I recall they ended up in the hands of the OSS and British, as well. Kierzek (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I know that Ciano writes in December 1940, "The mess we're in now is due to Erwin Rommel. If it wasn't for Rommel we wouldn't be in this mess" ... Rommel wasn't sent to North Africa until two months later, February 1941! So there's the first peace of evidence the diaries are fake, or have been altered, like you said for possible propaganda reasons. Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
For a full picture
For a fuller picture see:
- Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit warring, personal attacks and hounding by former EEML member
- User talk:YMB29#Extension of block to one month (now indefinite)
-- PBS (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- PBS-thanks for the links; your time and all the other editors in the matter. The decision was the correct one. Kierzek (talk) 16:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
- With ref to this edit could you please put in bold the sentence that starts "If it is decided..." so that an admin who is asked to can easily see when skimming the opinions that you to are in favour of a TB. -- PBS (talk) 01:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Kierzek (talk) 02:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- With ref to this edit could you please put in bold the sentence that starts "If it is decided..." so that an admin who is asked to can easily see when skimming the opinions that you to are in favour of a TB. -- PBS (talk) 01:25, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Lyndon Johnson Article
Hi - I added a new message for you on the Talk: Lyndon B. Johnson page. Thanks for the welcome to Misplaced Pages! Innovatinghistory (talk) 16:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, I wrote a reply therein. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Conversation
I realized recently that we could potentially still share in a discussion about topics that differ from previous collaborations. I know that Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be a forum, but if you ever wish to discuss something, such as, say, music, I'd be happy to do so. Cheers, - Bossanoven (talk) 02:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. Kierzek (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- I know you like to work with cats; I was thinking we could use one for Hitler's valets; what do you think? It would be small. Kierzek (talk) 14:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Hans Hermann Junge
Is "aide-de-camp" some sort of fancy or academic term for adjutant? Should he have a place in Adolf Hitler's adjutants? Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 15:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, officially: An "aide-de-camp" (assistant in the field) is a personal assistant or secretary to a person of high rank, usually a senior military or government officer, or a member of a Royal Family, or a head of state, such as Hitler; typically the foremost personal aide. An adjutant, is the senior administrator of a military unit. In some armies, including most English-speaking ones, it is an officer who assists a more senior officer; in Hitler's case, he was head of the armed forces. To make it easy, Junge falls into the valet cat for Hitler; like Krause and Linge; that is why he is with them under the "See also" section of the "Adolf Hitler's adjutants" article. Kierzek (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Hans Bauer
I will check. Are you interested in a very specific aspect of his life? MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- His World War II record and more detail as to how he won the Knight's Cross. Kierzek (talk) 20:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, its looking better now; more detail. Kierzek (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- I added everything I found so far. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, its looking better now; more detail. Kierzek (talk) 22:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Dallmann
Sorry, I don't have any additional info on him. MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. No problem. Kierzek (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Individual Hundertschaften Locations
Bending the rules a bit (this is in my book), but something interesting to get your opinion about. So, the guys with the numbered Death's Head patches were part of the Concentration Camp guard companies. They were organized first into about twenty five companies spread out across five guard battalions and eventually reorganized five regiments - all separate both administratively and operationally from the actual camp staffs (I've always found that a bit strange). Photographs have the SS guards wearing numbers as high as 25. Anyway...the locations of the Guard Regiment headquarters are pretty well documented. However, I have found no information anywhere as to individual concentration camp guard companies (known as the Hundertschafter) like where they were individually stationed, lists of personnel, etc. Have you ever seen any material on this? Also, you probably know this already, but in 1942 when the camps were folded into the WVHA the guard companies became part of the internal camp staff and the numbers on the Death's Head were done away with. Even so, you see some guys wearing numbered death head patches as late as 1944. Wonder why... Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 14:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- I will get back to you but cannot look into it until tomorrow night. Kierzek (talk) 23:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- No sooner had I posted this, then I found a document listing an index of these guard companies, although still no real info on the actual locations of individual company garrisons or names of company officers with a few exceptions (Hans Hüttig was mentioned). A highly unresearched area. Several books form the 1970s and 80s also spoke of the numbered Death's Head patches as being company numbers of the Totenkopf Division - which is completely false. The book work on this is just another area where a rare and unknown corner of the SS will be discussed. -OberRanks (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, as you know the Hundertschafter originally meant 100 man group, roughly speaking, but the group units were later expanded in size. There is not much detail out there on their location, besides the logical answer of the camps where they stationed; such as, 22nd Hundertschaft (hundred-man-unit) of the SS at Mauthausen concentration camp. I did read at Dachau Konzentrationslager for example, each Hundertschaft was made up of 3 platoons, led by a SS-Hauptsturmführer. The only other point of interest I found was a list of Totenkopf-Standarten (T-S) with manpower strengths on page 236 of the book: McNab, Chris (2009). The SS: 1923–1945. Amber Books Ltd. ISBN 978-1-906626-49-5.
{{cite book}}
: Invalid|ref=harv
(help) as follows:
- Well, as you know the Hundertschafter originally meant 100 man group, roughly speaking, but the group units were later expanded in size. There is not much detail out there on their location, besides the logical answer of the camps where they stationed; such as, 22nd Hundertschaft (hundred-man-unit) of the SS at Mauthausen concentration camp. I did read at Dachau Konzentrationslager for example, each Hundertschaft was made up of 3 platoons, led by a SS-Hauptsturmführer. The only other point of interest I found was a list of Totenkopf-Standarten (T-S) with manpower strengths on page 236 of the book: McNab, Chris (2009). The SS: 1923–1945. Amber Books Ltd. ISBN 978-1-906626-49-5.
- No sooner had I posted this, then I found a document listing an index of these guard companies, although still no real info on the actual locations of individual company garrisons or names of company officers with a few exceptions (Hans Hüttig was mentioned). A highly unresearched area. Several books form the 1970s and 80s also spoke of the numbered Death's Head patches as being company numbers of the Totenkopf Division - which is completely false. The book work on this is just another area where a rare and unknown corner of the SS will be discussed. -OberRanks (talk) 15:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- SS-T-S 1 Oberbayern: 3,335 (April 1938)
- SS-T-S 2 Brandenburg: 2,989 (May 1938)
- SS-T-S 3 Thüringen: 2,220 (June 1938)
- SS-T-S 4 Ostmark: 2,925 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 5 Dietrich Eckhart: 1,878 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 6: 2,956 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 7: 2,771 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 8: 2,799 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 9: 2,250 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 10: 2,753 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 11: 3,005 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 12: 2,650 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 13: 2,053 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 14: 2,619 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 15: 1,679 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S 16: 2,346 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S Kirkenes: 1,014 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S Prag: 951 (July 1940)
- SS-T-S Rekreuten-Standarte: unknown.
Kierzek (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, that's about the same as what I have. Thanks for verifying! -OberRanks (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Battle in Berlin
You made an edit on 7 September which included a short citation. Unfortunately you forgot to include with it the long citation in the References section. -- PBS (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- An oversight, now fixed. Kierzek (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Adjutants
You sure you wanna include that picture of Darges? It's ..... very small compared to the others. On a more serious note, I'm going to nominate the article for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- Its the one from his article and the only one I know of; if you find a better one that can be used, then by all means, upload it. Kierzek (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
- The GA-review already began! That was fast! MisterBee1966 has noted the article is actually more of a list than an article. I have therefore changed the name of the article to "List of Adolf Hitler's adjutants". Will work to see it become a featured list. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree it is more of a list than an article and the title change is okay with me. Kierzek (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- The FLC-page is open. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Comments have been made and I have written some responses. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- I have added a whole section for Max Wünsche and added good, reliable sources, but would appreciate some ce's on his section like you did for all the other ones previously. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Do you see any problems with this website as source citing? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about the site or the people involved with it; I don't know what you want to use it to cite or what information from the website you wish to consider using for a cite. So I don't have all the facts to consider. In general, I would say that established RS sources by historians is best. For example, I know of two historians who are experts on medals/awards of the Third Reich and besides having written books on the subject, they have websites on the subject. Frankly, just briefly looking at the linked site you list, I would try Google books, for example, as an alternative. Kierzek (talk) 02:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- Ok, I will do my best to find an alternative source. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know anything about the site or the people involved with it; I don't know what you want to use it to cite or what information from the website you wish to consider using for a cite. So I don't have all the facts to consider. In general, I would say that established RS sources by historians is best. For example, I know of two historians who are experts on medals/awards of the Third Reich and besides having written books on the subject, they have websites on the subject. Frankly, just briefly looking at the linked site you list, I would try Google books, for example, as an alternative. Kierzek (talk) 02:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- Do you see any problems with this website as source citing? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- I have added a whole section for Max Wünsche and added good, reliable sources, but would appreciate some ce's on his section like you did for all the other ones previously. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comments have been made and I have written some responses. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- The FLC-page is open. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree it is more of a list than an article and the title change is okay with me. Kierzek (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
- The GA-review already began! That was fast! MisterBee1966 has noted the article is actually more of a list than an article. I have therefore changed the name of the article to "List of Adolf Hitler's adjutants". Will work to see it become a featured list. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
It's not of any significant importance, but should Albrecht be listed under navy adjutants with Puttkamer since he was chosen for that role because of his qualifications, and somewhat chosen as an NSKK adjutant simply because Hitler pitied with him after his dismissal by Raeder? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- I already thought about that and believe it is best to leave him under NSKK as he was an "adjutant" for a longer period of time in that uniform (so to speak) and was an "adjutant" for the second subsequent time (till his apparent death) as part of that Nazi Party unit, the NSKK. Kierzek (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- The pervious picture of Darges with Hitler at the Berghof was not fair-use, so it has been removed. I was able to find another, colorized photo of him which I have now uploaded to Misplaced Pages under the fair-use criteria. The last we need to do, is crop the watermarks and frame of the images who contain them. Once that is done, we can call on the people who commented on the FLC-page to throw in a support or oppose. I have already kindly asked two people to crop them for me, however in vain. Do you know anyone? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- No, I don't know anyone else, whom you have not asked. The list is shaping up nicely, and I do believe Heinrich Borgmann should be added, as well. Kierzek (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding Heinrich Borgmann, I managed to find a picture of him also. This one is where Hitler is visiting him in hospital. I have begun the expansion (or creation more likely) of his section. I'm counting on your ce's along the way. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done my best. I was unable to find a single source regarding his youth so I was forced to skip that part. With that being said, his World War II record (which is pretty much the most relevant) is okay covered, and his section is about the same length as all the others. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- Good. Ce is done; I will hunt around for some more cites to add. Kierzek (talk) 01:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- It's five in the morning in my end of the world, so ima' go to sleep now, but will also do my best to improve his section and the others in need tomorrow. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 03:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- P. S. Burton has thrown in an oppose vote, citing enormous errors in the source section. He made a very long list of source problems on the talk page; I have made some quick responses and promised to fix some things, and would appreciate your assistance. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- I saw that. I will help when I have time and where I can with cites. I would suggest you use google books search preview of RS works for some assistance in the citing source matters. Kierzek (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we should withdraw the FL-nomination and then spend more time on the article, paying attention to the comments made on the nomination page, and then re-nominate it; I think with all the new material we've added since we nominated the article/list that it would be best. What ya reckon? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- It may be best, but I leave it up to you. I don't have a lot of time to work on it at present, unfortunately. Kierzek (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've asked Ian Rose to close the FL-nomination. In a few days, or maybe weeks, I will go back to improving it. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:20, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- It may be best, but I leave it up to you. I don't have a lot of time to work on it at present, unfortunately. Kierzek (talk) 12:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we should withdraw the FL-nomination and then spend more time on the article, paying attention to the comments made on the nomination page, and then re-nominate it; I think with all the new material we've added since we nominated the article/list that it would be best. What ya reckon? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
- I saw that. I will help when I have time and where I can with cites. I would suggest you use google books search preview of RS works for some assistance in the citing source matters. Kierzek (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- P. S. Burton has thrown in an oppose vote, citing enormous errors in the source section. He made a very long list of source problems on the talk page; I have made some quick responses and promised to fix some things, and would appreciate your assistance. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- It's five in the morning in my end of the world, so ima' go to sleep now, but will also do my best to improve his section and the others in need tomorrow. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 03:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- Good. Ce is done; I will hunt around for some more cites to add. Kierzek (talk) 01:27, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've done my best. I was unable to find a single source regarding his youth so I was forced to skip that part. With that being said, his World War II record (which is pretty much the most relevant) is okay covered, and his section is about the same length as all the others. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:49, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding Heinrich Borgmann, I managed to find a picture of him also. This one is where Hitler is visiting him in hospital. I have begun the expansion (or creation more likely) of his section. I'm counting on your ce's along the way. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:02, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
- No, I don't know anyone else, whom you have not asked. The list is shaping up nicely, and I do believe Heinrich Borgmann should be added, as well. Kierzek (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- The pervious picture of Darges with Hitler at the Berghof was not fair-use, so it has been removed. I was able to find another, colorized photo of him which I have now uploaded to Misplaced Pages under the fair-use criteria. The last we need to do, is crop the watermarks and frame of the images who contain them. Once that is done, we can call on the people who commented on the FLC-page to throw in a support or oppose. I have already kindly asked two people to crop them for me, however in vain. Do you know anyone? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:23, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Pact of Steel
On a non-adjutant related issue, I have spend the most of my night significantly improving the Pact of Steel article with the purpose of getting it to GA-status. The whole article is not very long; would appreciate some ce's if you see the need for it. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- I see Diannaa took care of it already. Kierzek (talk) 01:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
List of Adolf Hitler's adjutants is now ...
List of Adolf Hitler's personal staff! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 19:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
- That wiped out a lot of work. Kierzek (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- Well, after it was decided to be a list, I thought it would be best to actually make it a list, instead of a half-article, half-list. However, the list wasn't very long and so, per a suggestion on the FL-candidate page, I listed his valets, secretaries and chauffeurs as well. Do you think this was a mistake? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- I cannot say it is better, but given no other editor has voiced anything as to the matter, I will not object. With that said, it should either be alphabetical all the way through or separated out in sections like before, as far as, Party, Wehrmacht, Army, Navy, Air Force and NSKK, in my opinion and then alphabetical. You have part alphabetical and part not; also Wolf served the longest of the secretaries, starting as a typist for Hitler in 1929. I will fix the year part now. Kierzek (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- All notes are now sourced too. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Looking much better, but: Christa Schroeder should be first and Emil Maurice, as well in their sections per alpha order. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently, I can't remember the alphabet even when counting it out loudly to myself several times!!! Anyway, Schroeder and Maurice has been fixed. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sehr gut. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I think we can re-nominate the now massively changed list for FL-status. Don't you agree? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, although I would recommend you ask someone like Calvin999, who does a lot of lists to look it over one more time first. Kierzek (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Good call, will do so sofort. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:37, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, although I would recommend you ask someone like Calvin999, who does a lot of lists to look it over one more time first. Kierzek (talk) 14:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- I think we can re-nominate the now massively changed list for FL-status. Don't you agree? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:27, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sehr gut. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently, I can't remember the alphabet even when counting it out loudly to myself several times!!! Anyway, Schroeder and Maurice has been fixed. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- Looking much better, but: Christa Schroeder should be first and Emil Maurice, as well in their sections per alpha order. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- All notes are now sourced too. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 15:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I cannot say it is better, but given no other editor has voiced anything as to the matter, I will not object. With that said, it should either be alphabetical all the way through or separated out in sections like before, as far as, Party, Wehrmacht, Army, Navy, Air Force and NSKK, in my opinion and then alphabetical. You have part alphabetical and part not; also Wolf served the longest of the secretaries, starting as a typist for Hitler in 1929. I will fix the year part now. Kierzek (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- Well, after it was decided to be a list, I thought it would be best to actually make it a list, instead of a half-article, half-list. However, the list wasn't very long and so, per a suggestion on the FL-candidate page, I listed his valets, secretaries and chauffeurs as well. Do you think this was a mistake? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Stefanie
Even though WP:GA does not list any length requirements, would you say that her article is simply too short? I know Toland also wrote some sentences regarding her, but much of that can also be found in Kubizek, and one can only write the information which is known about her life. What's your opinion on this? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- The main problem is the fact it relies on one source overall and much of what is said could be rated to be speculation/exaggeration (per Kershaw). A peer review or asking other opinions on the Military history page may be in order. Kierzek (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've opened the peer the review for more ideas on expanding and improving the article for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, I've included two more academic sources to the article. I've also added a very important quite from Stefanie regarding Hitler's anonymous love letter and also expanded the article overall. I'm sure that with the good points which will most likely be made in the peer review, the article can reach GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've opened the peer the review for more ideas on expanding and improving the article for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:23, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Albrecht's wife
Does "having a bad reputation" directly translate to being a prostitute when it comes to women or at least women from that era? In any case, I would suggest adding a link to prostitution in the sentence to ensure clarity. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 20:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- No; the original book states: a woman "with a past". Joachimsthaler, p. 289. Kierzek (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 09:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Sorry
I did not pay attention to who had made the change. The reason for the revert is that seven list have gone featured based on that wording, all the ranks in all the tables are based on this concept as well. I am generally not opposed to the change as such, if implemented; it needs to be done holistically including the tables. Cheers MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. Kierzek (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Operation Barbarossa
As you may or may not have noticed, I've spend the last two days significantly improving the Barbarossa article in my sandbox with the purpose of getting it to GA-status. I left a looooong notification message on the talk page, and would appreciate your take on it all when you have the time. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 02:37, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've somehow orchestrated yet another cite error on 1940 Field Marshal Ceremony, this time in the footnotes section. I can't figure it out; please take a look. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Someone else took care of it, so no worries. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did not have time to get to it; glad someone else did. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Btw, I've nominated Barbarossa for GA-status and a few editors has jumped in with some copy edits and personal advice; if you also want to look at it and do some ce's there's still time. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 00:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, I did not have time to get to it; glad someone else did. Kierzek (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- Someone else took care of it, so no worries. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Stefanie
Normally, or at least on every single biography article I've seen on Misplaced Pages, you start off by wring "<name> is/was a <nationality> known for <something>", but Stefanie's article starts off "<name> is/was a <religion> known for <something>". Generally, I would oppose this, but since she is worthy of an article on Misplaced Pages solely because Hitler was in love with, I'd say it's of high importance to included in the lede that she was Jewish; by replacing "Jewish" with "Austrian" a person reading the lede might wonder why Hitler's obsession with her is so much significant that "all" the others. Don't you agree? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
- It reads okay to me. Kierzek (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
- Hitler's 50th birthday reviewer has made his review and placed the article on hold. I've responded to all his comments, some of which I largely disagree on; feel free to jump in with your take. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Request for some copy edits
Atlantic Wall. Whenever ya feel like it. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 18:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Diannaa already took care of it. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CVIII, March 2015
|
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 09:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Barnstar for You!
The Good Article Barnstar | ||
For your contributions to bring Adolf Hitler's 50th birthday to Good Article status. You deserve this just as much as I do. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 22:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC) |
- Thanks, but I must say for this article I did not do that much; it was your baby. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Stefanie
Peer review was going nowhere, so I've closed it and nominated the article for GA-status. I'm sure the reviewer will put it on hold with comments for improvements. Stay tuned. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. Kierzek (talk) 12:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- It is still uncomfortable to me with the heavy reliance on Kubizek. If you can confirm the same info through WP:RS historian sources, then that will help. Kierzek (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Kubuzek's memoirs is obviously not a "third party" source (more like second party), but the book is, nevertheless, still accepted as a A-Okay source in analyzing Hitler's youth, at least by Roper, Hamann and Kershaw to name some by name. Also, I think the article looks better if it's, to a certain extent, written from Kubizek's point of view, as it's so much more compressive, detailed and ... well, interesting! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- It is still a memoir and I know that Kershaw believes it should be read with caution. Kierzek (talk) 14:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Kubuzek's memoirs is obviously not a "third party" source (more like second party), but the book is, nevertheless, still accepted as a A-Okay source in analyzing Hitler's youth, at least by Roper, Hamann and Kershaw to name some by name. Also, I think the article looks better if it's, to a certain extent, written from Kubizek's point of view, as it's so much more compressive, detailed and ... well, interesting! Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Schaub
I expanded and improved his article in preparation of GA-nomination. Feel like doing some copy edits? Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
- Done, for now. Kierzek (talk) 01:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks man. As the article was very short to begin with I deliberately re-wrote the article in a ... well, let's say detailed way to make it longer. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- Mate, try and click here and let me know what you think. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- And? Interesting, I guess. Kierzek (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- It's not wiki related, just wanted your opinion. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 12:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- And? Interesting, I guess. Kierzek (talk) 12:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Mate, try and click here and let me know what you think. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks man. As the article was very short to begin with I deliberately re-wrote the article in a ... well, let's say detailed way to make it longer. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 11:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Hitler's bodyguards
Well, it is (was) Friday night, so I'll finish the article in my sandbox tomorrow; feeling waaay to wasted to do anything right now, but collapsing on my bed! However, I have to get up early for work tomorrow, so I'll probably finish it before that, so I'll be sure to ping when I'm done. I'm thinking you could do the ce's and whatnot in my sandbox, and then after that I convert the whole thing into an actual article. Peace, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 01:33, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- I have a busy weekend and wont have time to review the new article in real detail till probably, Monday. I did some detail and ce work as you will see; you can add the cites from the main articles or I can do it later. Kierzek (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think I'm going to write the whole thing first, and then find the cites, one way or another. As of right now, I've included all the Nazi-bodyguard units I know about. I'm thinking about including the Orpo and Gestapo as well. Cheers for your work and ce. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Okay; yes the Orpo and Gestapo played their part as did the Führer Begleit Brigade of the German Army. Kierzek (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Führer Begleit Brigade is the English decided-translation of Führer Begleitbattalion and is included. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- True as to the FBB, the section just needs more information added. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 03:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Allright, I'm up and I've got breakfast! Will now begin the final improvements and expansion. To avoid edit conflicts, I think it would be best if you did your ce's after I've finished. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, I've written everything I can. Please take a look and do some ce's. Cheers in advance, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Done for now, will look at it again, later. Kierzek (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- No rush. Also, I've (as you've most likely noticed) expanded the lede, added cites to everything and included another RSD photo. I believe the article is good for creation when your last touches to the article has been made. The only thing we need to do after that, is to decide on a title. Which one of these do you like:
- Done for now, will look at it again, later. Kierzek (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, I've written everything I can. Please take a look and do some ce's. Cheers in advance, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 16:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Allright, I'm up and I've got breakfast! Will now begin the final improvements and expansion. To avoid edit conflicts, I think it would be best if you did your ce's after I've finished. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 13:28, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- True as to the FBB, the section just needs more information added. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 03:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Führer Begleit Brigade is the English decided-translation of Führer Begleitbattalion and is included. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:35, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Okay; yes the Orpo and Gestapo played their part as did the Führer Begleit Brigade of the German Army. Kierzek (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- I think I'm going to write the whole thing first, and then find the cites, one way or another. As of right now, I've included all the Nazi-bodyguard units I know about. I'm thinking about including the Orpo and Gestapo as well. Cheers for your work and ce. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 17:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- #1 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard
- #2 Adolf Hitler's security and bodyguard
- #3 Structure of Adolf Hitler's bodyguard
- #4 Security and bodyguard structure of Adolf Hitler
- #5 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and security structure
- #6 Adolf Hitler's bodyguard and security
- #7 Bodyguard and security of Adolf Hitler
- #8 Bodyguard and security organizations of Adolf Hitler
- Personally, I like #4 and #8, but would be okay with some other suggestive title. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and created the article under the simply name Adolf Hitler's bodyguard as it can always be moved to another title. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've also nominated it for GA-status. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and created the article under the simply name Adolf Hitler's bodyguard as it can always be moved to another title. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Personally, I like #4 and #8, but would be okay with some other suggestive title. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
The title is okay. I was glad to help form it up; it is a subject of interest for me; still needs a little work. Some may want to treat it as a list, akin to what happen with "List of Adolf Hitler's personal staff"; which as you know started as an article. Kierzek (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'd actually did strike me as a list, but felt that the other sections (which personal staff one did not have) made an article. I see you did some ce's and changes, thanks a bunch for that. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 14:42, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- No, after a second look at the article, I truly considered it to be an article. Adjutants was a list as it only listed adjutants, but this has so much more info on Hitler's security routines, structure and incidents. I'm confident the GA-reviewer will think so too. Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 21:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
New sandbox project :)
I'm the process of making a list of the people who were killed or injured in the 20 July plot. I've so far written the list and lede, but before proceeding with finding sources I would appreciate some copy edits. Much appreciated. :) Jonas Vinther • (speak to me!) 23:28, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Mediation Barnstar | |
Awarded for exemplary editing performance in a protracted and heated debate revolving around the "Battle of Berlin" article. GeneralizationsAreBad (talk) 00:45, 8 April 2015 (UTC) |
Thank you; I must say that I was one editor of several who were working towards a solution of the situation. Kierzek (talk) 12:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)