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| Okay, our article on ] explicitly states that that system was first developed in Korea ''after'' katakana developed in Japan. I know ], but there are a few complications here. First, cited was not written by Sohn but by . Second, Ramsey doesn't go into much detail on what the relationship between the two was, making it a bit unclear what he's talking about when he says "kugyol"; I have no choice but to check our article on the subject, and our readers will do the same. If the ] article is chronologically confused on when the system developed, then ''that'' article needs to be tweaked in accordance with reliable sources before we claim ] (which developed in the ninth century) before we go around implying that it was based on a system that "first came into use in the early ] dynasty". Third, what Ramsey ''actually'' says in his article is that the linguistic/cultural tides started turning in the "late traditional period" and already in the 16th century Korean was taking more influence from Japanese than vice versa, and today the Japanese language has a huge influence on everyday Korean. This is not what the creators of this article want to admit, and it's not what Ramsey was being inaccurately quoted as saying. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC) | Okay, our article on ] explicitly states that that system was first developed in Korea ''after'' katakana developed in Japan. I know ], but there are a few complications here. First, cited was not written by Sohn but by . Second, Ramsey doesn't go into much detail on what the relationship between the two was, making it a bit unclear what he's talking about when he says "kugyol"; I have no choice but to check our article on the subject, and our readers will do the same. If the ] article is chronologically confused on when the system developed, then ''that'' article needs to be tweaked in accordance with reliable sources before we claim ] (which developed in the ninth century) before we go around implying that it was based on a system that "first came into use in the early ] dynasty". Third, what Ramsey ''actually'' says in his article is that the linguistic/cultural tides started turning in the "late traditional period" and already in the 16th century Korean was taking more influence from Japanese than vice versa, and today the Japanese language has a huge influence on everyday Korean. This is not what the creators of this article want to admit, and it's not what Ramsey was being inaccurately quoted as saying. ] (<small>]]</small>) 16:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC) | ||
| --S. Robert Ramsey is just one of many scholars who believe that katakana was based off Gugyeol. In his book he spends several paragraphs discussing the various ways that the Korean language influenced the Japanese language. By contrast, he says almost nothing about Japanese influence on the Korean language prior to the colonial period.] (]) 19:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Kugyol and katakana
Okay, our article on Gugyeol explicitly states that that system was first developed in Korea after katakana developed in Japan. I know other Misplaced Pages articles are not supposed to take priority over external reliable sources, but there are a few complications here. First, the source cited was not written by Sohn but by Ramsey. Second, Ramsey doesn't go into much detail on what the relationship between the two was, making it a bit unclear what he's talking about when he says "kugyol"; I have no choice but to check our article on the subject, and our readers will do the same. If the Gugyeol article is chronologically confused on when the system developed, then that article needs to be tweaked in accordance with reliable sources before we claim katakana (which developed in the ninth century) before we go around implying that it was based on a system that "first came into use in the early Goryeo dynasty". Third, what Ramsey actually says in his article is that the linguistic/cultural tides started turning in the "late traditional period" and already in the 16th century Korean was taking more influence from Japanese than vice versa, and today the Japanese language has a huge influence on everyday Korean. This is not what the creators of this article want to admit, and it's not what Ramsey was being inaccurately quoted as saying. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
--S. Robert Ramsey is just one of many scholars who believe that katakana was based off Gugyeol. In his book he spends several paragraphs discussing the various ways that the Korean language influenced the Japanese language. By contrast, he says almost nothing about Japanese influence on the Korean language prior to the colonial period.TH1980 (talk) 19:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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