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Spartaz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.

I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?

Useful Links:

• Deletion Review
• Articles for Deletion
• Unblocks

Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.

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Hadith of Virtues of Persia People

I saw that this article is deleted by you. I could not participate the discussion because of being busy and I really believe that the subject is notable and is covered by reliable secondary sources. Could I have a copy of the article and how can I ask to undelete it? Mhhossein (talk) 14:03, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• If you could explain why you think the subject is notable I can see whether I think its worth reopening the discussion. Spartaz 15:08, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

As you see, few editors participated the discussion and their arguments are really defendable. To let you know the details, please provide me with a copy of the article. Thanks Mhhossein (talk) 10:35, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

As I said, what is the argument you want to add to the discussion? Its it isn't going to refute the delete votes (which appeared to be policy based around sources) then there is no point looking at this again. Spartaz 20:41, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

The userfied article is at User:Mhhossein/Hadith of Virtues of Persia People Spartaz 20:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I've used a secondary source here. It is published in an academic journal. As for the primary sources, please consider that the article is not based on them and I have not analyzed the article using those sources. They are only added to represent the hadiths texts. We'd better improve the article instead of deleting it. Mhhossein (talk) 11:48, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not qualified to assess that source but if you can find more of the same or better quality I'm willing to delist the discussion.Spartaz 16:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable attention, I'll let you know as soon as I find reliable sources. Mhhossein (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Good time of day, once again, spartaz! I am very sorry for posting the image of Royal airlines, because I did not know it was existing in English version when I was uploading it. You can delete it (I tried myself, but it did not work and once again help me to delete it. Thank you for helping and understanding! MikleffCoolX (talk) 10:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)MikleffCoolX

Garrett Sutton

I was wondering if you could share your reasoning for relisting this page a third time. I understand that Misplaced Pages recommends not relisting articles more than twice and that if an editor does so, he/she should provide a short explanation. Thank you. Woodenships513 (talk) 16:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)Woodenships513

• I answered the question at the AFD. Spartaz 17:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Cyrus Farivar

Sorry if I'm not formatting this correctly, I'm new to wikipedia (doing more than browsing that is).

It looks like you deleted the page Cyrus Farivar and listed G4 as the reason. I think "This excludes pages that are (1) not substantially identical to the deleted version, (2) pages to which the reason for the deletion no longer applies" applies in this case.

(1) There's no way that I know of to access the old page, but given that it existed in 2007, and the new page referenced about half of it's content from an article this month, it seems highly unlikely that the page was substantially identical to the deleted version.

(2) I believe the reasons for deletion centered on A) lack of noteworthiness, B) An article quoting the subject of the page as saying he created the first iteration (but not the subsequent ones). A) First, it has been 8 years since the page was last deleted, it is unlikely for a person to have become -less- noteworthy over 8 years as an active journalist. Second, one could easily make the argument that the number of times this page has been deleted and recreated and the multiple deletion discussions surrounding it has all on its' own made the page and the person noteworthy. B) He didn't create this one.

So, I think it should be undeleted.

Thanks for your time. Wordlet (talk) 06:01, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

• I didn't see the necessary reliable sourcing about the man to overcome a previous consensus that he is not notable. If you have this I'lol happily list this at afd. Spartaz 06:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

Mkdw 18:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

...why did you edit an archive? — Jeraphine Gryphon  09:56, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jeraphine Gryphon: It wasn't worth un-archiving and putting it back on the main ANI page if Spartaz, the original editor who re-opened the discussion, wasn't going to respond. Unlike other archives where conversations are moved when they're closed or stale (usually 3 months), ANI auto-archives conversations rapidly. It would be auto-archived within 48 hours and likely before anyone had a chance to fully respond given the timeline of the conversation up until then. It was considered though but since the only edit made was to ask if this discussion was still open I did not feel it was particularly impertinent to go through all the motions especially since the original two editors involved had since moved on and this was essentially a continued discussion that could have been moved to user talk pages. Mkdw 14:56, 11 May 2015 (UTC)