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Location of dispute

• Female genital mutilation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• AadaamS (talk · contribs)
• Johnuniq (talk · contribs)
• OnlyInYourMind (talk · contribs)
• PolenCelestial (talk · contribs)
• SlimVirgin (talk · contribs)
• Zad68 (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

I introduced changes that started an edit war. Edit warring stopped with the reverted version being protected. The protection has now expired and no progress has been made toward a consensus. I want to restore the changes but I think there's a risk that I could get blocked for edit warring if I do.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

5 days of discussion including edit warring noticeboard and reliable sources noticeboard posts and an RfC.

How do you think we can help?

An official decision needs to be made about this edit. I'm basing it on reliable sources, I don't have any doubts at all about their accuracy. Other editors insist that they aren't reliable enough for wikipedia. I've been told not to edit war but a consensus is impossible, my understanding is that the Mediation or Arbitration Committee has to issue a final statement on the edit. Which committee is the right one to request mediation/arbitration from in this case? Are there any other options?

Summary of dispute by AadaamS

Summary of dispute by Johnuniq

I endorse SlimVirgin's detailed explanation. I mentioned at the article talk (28 April 2015) that the proposed edit consists of minor adjustments to a worldwide report published by UNICEF in 2013, with some updates since. The problem is that it would be WP:SYNTH for editors to "fix" a UNICEF report from other sources. Johnuniq (talk) 01:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by OnlyInYourMind

I stopped following the RfC because it makes my young account look like a sock, but from what I saw, PolenCelestial (PC) seemed to really want to good faith contribute to this article. But PC's edits were fully reverted by very experienced editors. I suspect PC is feeling marginalized because his/her efforts and research are being ignored. I imagine PC would be happy if at least a portion of his/her edits could be accepted. Hope it all works out. Bye! :-) OnlyInYourMind 07:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by SlimVirgin

Guy Macon: FGM is a recently promoted featured article and has to rely on the most authoritative and MEDRS-compliant sources. The article has been through a peer review, FAC review, and two external specialist reviews.

For the prevalence of FGM, the article relies on reports from UNICEF's Division of Data, Research and Policy. They produce regular updates based on Demographic and Health Surveys and Multiple Indicator Cluster Surveys, which are carried out in Africa, Asia and elsewhere every five years. These are the only reliable figures available from which national prevalence rates can be derived. These figures say that FGM is most concentrated in 27 countries in Africa, and in Iraqi Kurdistan and Yemen. FGM exists in other countries, and may be equally concentrated in other countries, but based on the figures currently available UNICEF deduces that it is most concentrated in those 29 countries.

Polencelestial wants to change the text about prevalence using two newspapers as sources, and one small survey carried out by a local group 12 years ago in Indonesia. PC wants to use those sources to introduce to the article that Indonesia and Malaysia are two of the countries in which FGM is most concentrated. In addition s/he wants to combine the percentage figures in the local survey and figures s/he has found elsewhere about population to deduce an overall country prevalence for Indonesia and Malaysia. This is a classic SYN violation.

We can't change the sources or allow in the calculation, because both would reduce the quality of the article. UNICEF mentions Indonesia and Malaysia in several reports, but makes clear that reliable national figures aren't available.

For example, UNICEF 2013: "Although no nationally representative data on FGM/C are available for countries including Colombia, Jordan, Oman, Saudi Arabia and parts of Indonesia and Malaysia, evidence suggests that the procedure is being performed" (p. 31). Footnote 63 (pp. 121–122) refers to the survey PC wants to use, but it isn't something from which a national prevalence figure can be derived. UNICEF 2014: " is also found in ... parts of Indonesia and Malaysia ... but reliable data on the magnitude of the phenomenon in these other contexts are largely unavailable." Our article reflects this.

Several editors have explained the situation to Polencelestial. S/he has responded by restoring the changes, complaining to admins, opening an RfC and RSN, and now this. Sarah (SV) 03:05, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Zad68

Close this DRN request per the long-standing principle that DRN doesn't take cases if there's already another WP:DR pathway actively in use, and the OP already has an active RFC going at the article Talk page. OP has actually opened their complaint in at least 3 different places now, there isn't consensus to make the change proposed, this DRN request is just yet another go at it, forum-shopping should not be rewarded. Zad68 16:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Guy well it's got a real RFC tag and Legobot is sending out RFC requests among others. PC has also brought up the same complain here (TransporterMan gave a solid reply there, referring to WP:NOCONSENSUS), there was this discussion at RSN, and the two separate article Talk page discussions. I don't see the point in allowing it to be pursued here too, given that there's no consensus that PC's proposed changes will be an improvement to what's already an FA. Zad68 18:45, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by JzG

One person - one - demands that we include WP:SYN and sources massively less reliable than the bulk of the article, in order to reflect his personal belief.

This is not a matter for dispute resolution, it's a matter for the OP shutting up and accepting that consensus is solidly against him. Guy (Help!) 22:21, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Female genital mutilation discussion

Hello. I am a dispute resolution volunteer here at the Misplaced Pages Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. This does not imply that I have any special authority or that my opinions should carry any extra weight; it just means that I have not been previously involved in this dispute and that I have some experience helping other people to resolve their disputes. Right now I am waiting for everyone to make their statements before opening this up for discussion. in the meantime, I encourage everyone involved to review our Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution and Misplaced Pages:Consensus pages. Thanks! There is one thing that I need everyone involved to understand right from the start; DRN is not a place to keep doing the same things that did not work on the article talk page. In particular, we only discuss article content, never user conduct. Many times, solving the content dispute also solves the user conduct issue. Do not talk about other editors. If anyone has a problem with this, let me know and we can discuss whether I should turn the case over to another dispute resolution volunteer. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I am still waiting for a couple of participants to either comment or indicate that they will not be participating. If I don't get a response in a day or so we will proceed without them.

AadaamS has indicated that he won't be participating, so I will open this up for discussion in a few hours. First I want to take a final look at all the comments on the article talk page and all of the involved parties user talk pages and then I will draw up a plan of attack for resolving this content dispute. Thanks for your patience. --Guy Macon (talk)

Sorry for the delay. I had to resolve a couple of issues (see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive271#RfC vs. DRN and Misplaced Pages:Help desk#FA versions). I am now opening this up for discussion.

The first thing I would like to discuss is the differences between the FA version and the current version() as well as the differences between Female genital mutilation and Prevalence of female genital mutilation by country.

Would anyone care to argue for or against the present version being superior to the FA version? Does anyone think that the section starting with "A country's national prevalence may reflect a high sub-national prevalence among certain ethnicities" should be restored to Female genital mutilation or added to Prevalence of female genital mutilation by country?

Should we move some of the details from Female genital mutilation to Prevalence of female genital mutilation by country?

After we discuss the above, I plan on discussing this edit and this revert in detail. Please don't jump the gun and start discussing the edit/revert now -- I want to get the first discussion out of the way first.

As always, talk about article content, not editor conduct. do not talk about other editors except to note that they added or removed specific content. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 05:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I am closing this as failed because several parties have chosen to not participate or withdraw (which they are free to do -- participation is voluntary). See Misplaced Pages talk:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Female Genital Mutilation - Pending RFC. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Template talk:People's Party (Spain)/meta/color (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Impru20 (talk · contribs)
• Sfs90 (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

This is a reopen of a previous DRN request, that was closed because the issue had not been discussed on the corresponding talk page. Now it has, yet to no avail: user keeps making edits even when discussion is not over, and yet still keeps almost entirely ignoring what I'm saying and tries to push forward his views nonetheless, engaging in an edit warring behaviour. He is an user who has been involved in edit warrings in the past and, just as of recently, seems to be acting in the same way with other users, so I'm losing hope that I'll be able to make him hear me some day without any help. I'm considering to bring this to the AN, but don't want to have to go to those extremes.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

There have been attempts of discussions in several Template talk pages, in our respective talk pages, several requests in edit summaries to make the user to actually go to talk and enter a discussion with me (as far as it goes, he only presents me "his evidence" and push his edit forward without discussing nor answering my own statements). As far as it goes, he just ignores what I'm saying, and once he does get his edit pushed forward, he not even cares to discuss anymore.

How do you think we can help?

To discourage Sfs90 from edit warring, as well as to convince him to actually enter into discussion before trying to press forward his changes (which are clearly disputed). And that discussion means that, for a disputed edit to be brought forward, it has to be discussed and consensus reached. I also think we would need some kind of moderator or something in the debate, because it's only two of us.

Summary of dispute by Sfs90

According to the talk of the template, I presented some sources about the color used by the party, in their logo and their campaign material. Impru20 said that the manual I quoted was only for the european elections (maybe, or maybe not, we don't know if the colors said in the manual were used only in that election). But after reading the complete issue, it looks more clearly that the party doesn't have any kind of "official statement" about the color (instead of other parties like UPyD and Citizens). The issue in that two parties was solved, but in People's Party case I give the benefit of the doubt, because there's no clarity about a color that should be used, and if Impru20 thinks that an intermediate shade or color could be more suitable to generate some type of consensus, I'll agree with that. For me, there's no more discussion about that and I close my opinion in the case. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Template talk:People's Party (Spain)/meta/color discussion

Hello, I am Rider ranger47, a DRN volunteer. Please remember we only discuss article content, never user conduct. Many times, solving the content dispute also solves the user conduct issue. Do not talk about other editors. Once all users have posted their statements, we will begun discussion. Rider ranger47 11:30, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

What manual where you following when changing the color? Rider ranger47 22:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

This manual. --Sfs90 (talk) 14:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the dispute resolution noticeboard's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.