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IS Map

First of all, thank you to whomever has been updating the map at the top of the article. I check in every other day or so to see how things have changed.

Is there anyone here with the expertise to combine these successive maps into a gif? I realize the image quality may have to be scaled back to make it a reasonably sized file, but it would be fascinating to watch the area progress in one animation. I have no idea how difficult this is to do. If I knew that much I would probably just try to make it myself. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 01:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I've seen animations on YouTube and one gif on reddit, but don't have the links to hand. Banak (talk) 07:28, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding Hezbollah to IS map

Is it possible to add Hezbollah to the IS map? Thousands of Hezbollah fighters are taking part in the Syrian civil war but its very unclear what part of the country they are controlling right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.84.124.225 (talk) 11:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd imagine it is almost certainly not possible, nor a good idea. They are on the same side as the Syrian Government.

• The number of Hezbollah troops is disputed from a tiny number of advisors to being "pretty much the entire SAA". It's a major propaganda point for the rebels that they claim that only Hezbollah and Iran are left fighting them. Similarly the amount of ground that is controlled by whom.
• They typically seem to have integrated into the Syrian Army to some extent, and therefore often don't fight alone.
• It's likely to cause major edit warring because of the difference of opinions of the extent of the army, and pro-opp sources may call "Hezbollah advances" what the Syrian Gov calls "SAA advances".
• When they're on the same side, it seems a massive waste to try to differentiate.
• The map has already got a ton of colours. It's not even funny.
• It's likely to cause the same shading colours as we got from splitting Al-Nusra from other rebels, because of their military cooperation.
• There'd be a massive scramble to go over every single red dot and figure out what to colour it.
• We'd need a ton of new symbols for the new colour, potentially unless we used blue.

Just my opinions, if I thought this were practical I'd be completely for it. But reality means, for me, this seems like an idea that wouldn't work out well. May I ask why you'd want to do this? Is it for the purpose of the effects this would have on the Lebanese module, or did you not realise they were included in the red colour already? Banak (talk) 22:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Hezbollah are involved in fighting in Syria, but they aren't exercising territorial control anywhere. Gazkthul (talk) 05:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Adding Lebanon military situation to IS map

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Lebanese_insurgency.png/300px-Lebanese_insurgency.png Thoughts? It's just a matter of including Lebanon into the Iraq/Syria map, seeing as there is ISIS presence in Lebanon. I understand not including Nigeria and Libya, but I think Lebanon should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.148.113.212 (talk) 05:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I dislike the Lebanon map, because I believe it to be outdated and lacking in markers, as I've previously stated. However, we've previously had RFCs over map issues (notably Golan heights), so if you think enough people care, that might be the way to go. Previous changes also made a new file for changes to maps while discussion went on. Banak (talk) 07:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Map of all territories

I suggest the primary map display all the territory that IS controls including the 'provinces' in Nigeria, Sinai, Libya etc. instead of only the territory of Iraq and Syria. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Categorized as "Theocracy"?

It's true, of course, that they use religion to justify all their atrocities, and Baghdadi claims religious authority over all Muslims as caliph, but as far as I'm aware, very few if any of the people in charge can be considered clergy. Does a dictatorship being run by someone who claims that they're doing God's work automatically justify the designation "theocracy"? 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C421:D27F:537:E61E (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The designation seems to fit the three sources given for the definition on Theocracy. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 06:10, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess they might be described as a "claimed theocracy" but similar might be said about other groups. It can certainly be debated whether any group is a true theocracy as a group governed by a god/God. I can also honestly say that I have not spent time in the presence of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi but, on the one recent occurrence that I know of where pictures have been produced, he has appeared in clerical type robes. GregKaye 11:53, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Think of a theocracy as a group governed by theology, not so much a group governed by a god or gods. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What do you call a group governed a military? That's what I think of when I think ISIS. The New York Times seems to agree. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:44, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Daesh has members claiming to be imams, so they have a clergy of sorts. The biggest issue is whether or not the sources label it a theocracy. If they do, we do. If they don't, we don't. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. So, what do the sources say? 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C421:D27F:537:E61E (talk) 00:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

The ISIL article is currently in Category:Proclaimed but largely unrecognised caliphates. I have placed this category into Category:Theocracies. The issue presented in the article is the group's claims to be caliphate. In lieu authoritative substantiation to declare it a theocracy then this direct reference should be removed. GregKaye 09:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

People really should stick with wikipedia Reliable Sources. So, here is the Boston Globe:
"Starting last fall, ISIS began imposing its theocratic rule over a wide swath of Syria, then quickly wrested control of the emblematic Iraqi cities of Fallujah and Ramadi. With the more recent attacks, it menaced the government in Baghdad; it also forced President Obama to reengage with a war from which he thought he had extricated the United States."
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/06/28/the-surprising-appeal-isis/l9YwC0GVPQ3i4eBXt1o0hI/story.html XavierItzm (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Facts, not emotionalism

The statement "is an Islamic extremist terrorist group controlling territory in...." should be edited to just state "is an Islamic group controlling territory in...." for accuracy as "terrorist" is an overused term that is now vague and virtually meaningless. Lets stick to information, not inflammatory opinions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VulPecula (talk • contribs) 13:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Facts, it is sad to say, are facts. They have their behaviours and we are here to provide descriptive content. Please see the very recent discussion where exactly I think bias was overruled at #"extremist terrorist group" is a biased description. We stick with sources as per encyclopedic policy. Please read options as mentioned. GregKaye 19:48, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The simplest thing to do is to refer to Misplaced Pages Reliable Sources. In this case, the BBC states simply:
Islamic State (IS) is a radical Islamist group
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29052144 XavierItzm (talk) 12:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Re: "The simplest thing to do is to refer to Misplaced Pages Reliable Sources." If that is what you say then please note that the most often cited description for the group as shown in reliable sources is terrorist. This has been demonstrated time and again. You are still picking and choosing your sources GregKaye 10:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sources for the above statement statement? Here a canonical source is brought: the BBC's definition for "What is Islamic State?". This RS, by the way, resolves the issue raised regarding "Facts, not emotionalism". I am not sure what value the above statement, devoid of sources, adds to the discussion. XavierItzm (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree we need to present facts rather than presenting what is not fact. Please could someone define terrorist or extremist. Regardless we should not use such words in the lead at least because these are contention labels. Even if used we should provide attribution which is clearly not the case at the moment. I agree with XavierItzm that the BBC descriptor is better. Problem is editors come with these concerns about the contentious descriptor of 'extremist' or 'terrorist' but then leave the page after a while so it creates an impression that the current status quo is the consensus when in fact it is not if taken as a whole. Also for some reason the word terrorist has been slipped into the lead which is also a very contentious and absurd label. There was no consensus for the word terrorist. Why is it in the lead? Mbcap (talk) 23:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Propose merge from Penal Code of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

A stub that might be better incorporated herein. FeatherPluma (talk) 01:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't think the article does any harm being there. It provides a minimal but succinct summary which may, or may not, be expanded upon in relation to content of documented speeches etc. Certainly at present it doesn't amount to much. GregKaye 20:04, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Lead sentence

The Lead states:

"The new name and the idea of a caliphate has been widely criticised and condemned, with the United Nations, various governments, and mainstream Muslim groups all refusing to acknowledge it."

What is "it"? The group, the new name and/or the idea of a caliphate? ~ P-123 (talk) 12:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

The new name (been nearly a year thought) has been criticized but I am not so sure about caliphate. Their idea of the caliphate maybe but the normative concept of a caliphate is accepted by traditionalist and orthodox Muslims. Maybe the sentence needs to be clarified. Mbcap (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it does need clarification. What about "refusing to accept the legitimacy of the group's claims", or is that still too vague? ~ P-123 (talk) 15:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

A very good point. "... refusing to accept the legitimacy of the group's claims" sounds good to me. Alternatively "it" be swapped for "them". GregKaye 19:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Declassified DIA Report - Various media allege this is proof that the US knowingly facilitated the rise of ISIL

A Defense Intelligence Agency document declares that in 2012, the US considered the establishment of a Salafist organization in eastern Syria in order to further the downfall of the Assad regime.

Extracts from the declassified DEA document http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

Various other sources, for instance http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42026.htm

In light of the whole subject apparently being rather controversial, I would like to get some of your views before making an attempt to include this. Do you think this is legit and should be referenced? And if not, why not? 210.1.218.149 (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Neither of those strike me as remotely credible sources for such an exceptional claim. (One is a blog and the other is, well, this; it appears to be someone's private website, makes no claims to editorial control or fact-checking, etc.) That particular claim is clearly WP:EXCEPTIONAL, meaning it probably requires coverage from multiple established, reputable mainstream news sources before we can include it. See WP:RS for more details on what makes a reputable source. --Aquillion (talk) 07:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Indeed. There are plenty of reliable sources that have described how U.S. policies could have inadvertently created conditions conducive to ISIL's rise (the same could be said of Iraqi government policies, Syrian policies, Iranian policies, and any number of other factors, like drought), but this is quite different from claiming that the U.S. government wanted or planned for the establishment of a violent, transnational terrorist group. This article may be of interest.TheBlueCanoe 19:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

It has been on my mind for some time that this page may benefit from an exclusion of contribution from non registered users.

There is a huge difference between leaving a situation that had, with a variety of influences, developed the conditions for ISIL to evolve and the wilful "establishment of a Salafist organization in eastern Syria". GregKaye 12:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

It is quite possible that some blogs made a sensational misinterpretation of the document. It is hazardous for untrained people (like most of us) to interpret primary sources on controversial topics, especially this one that is largely redacted. Judicial Watch itself, that published the document from its FOI request, concludes the opposite of the above quoted blogs.. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:05, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Why are you two acting like this is so unheard of? Aquillion, I do not agree at all. For one, Washington Time blogs are not just "a blog". They are merely opinion instead of news. Quality opinion blogs are perfectly allowed. I don't know the other source but, since we also use US-owned Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, it's fair to use RT and Iranian state news as well. Second of all, this is not exceptional. Don't abuse that common misconception. The Iraq war was just as faulty. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 12:15, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Bruce Jenner and Islamic State

Bruce Jenner declared he now has a new name, and the Misplaced Pages immediately renamed his page. The Islamic State declared a year ago its name is Islamic State, and the Misplaced Pages does not use the name "Islamic State", which is used, for example, by canonical sources such as the BBC.

References

1. www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29052144

---XavierItzm (talk) 15:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

(Note: I edited the above post per WP:TPG#Fixing format errors to fix some formatting errors. No content was changed or removed. For details see respective edit sums. - Marchjuly (talk) 00:37, 25 June 2015 (UTC))

"Islamic State" is not a living person. Please see the biography of living persons policy. RGloucester — ☎ 22:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Your Tax Dollars at Work: A Grossly Oversimplified, Overtly Optimistic Situation Map

The stench of this page reeks, of Pentagon and CIA propaganda. One example which serves to underline my contention quite effectively: the accompanying situation map portraying steady Pentagon progress against ISIS, in the absence of none. How to lie with cartography for idiots, 101: Not only does your situation map fail, miserably so, to depict the current situation, in Iraq and Syria? The information your situation map conveys, is patently false! Over the course of several months, illustrated in gray 2-cell cartography located in the right-whel accompanying this page, the cartographer of your handy-dandy "ISIS situation map" has, from December of 2014 to June of 2015, erroneously assumed, perhaps a function of wishful thinking, a constant progression of force sweeping ISIS away, magically materializing to a warm, reassuring, ever diminishing area of influence ISIS is portrayed to control in Syria and Iraq when, in actuality, total urban area plus total population under ISIS "control" (e.g., as opposed to ISIS "presence") increased significantly throughout what's left of Syria and Iraq.-Previous unsigned comment by an anonymous user

So you believe the marks on the map are misleading, or the shading disingenuous? Unless you want rural areas to be somehow shown as such, I'm not sure what can be done. At any rate, you might want to mention this on the relevant module or image talk-pages, and please sign in future. Banak (talk) 11:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Lebanon in the map?

I find it strange for Lebanon to be on the map. Lebanon isn't in the war. Areas 'controlled' by Hizbullah aren't really controlled, it's more like 'protected' and this is how it has been since a long time. There is no conflict in Lebanon and I see the addition of Lebanon to the map as unnecessary misleading clutter. --Kuwaity26 (talk) 07:59, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

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if Lebanon and Hezbollah are going to be on the map could someone desaturate the colors to be in line with everything else on the map it looks atrocious 24.163.57.88 (talk) 08:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I have misgivings about this map, but a voice or two every couple of days has appeared asking for it. RFC time like with the Israel issue? Banak (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - Is the Islamic State involved in active engagements within Lebanon and is there enough data to support a map? If the answer to both is yes then addition of Lebanon is worthwhile. If not then it should be left alone. Mbcap (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I like it. The Islamic state IS in Lebanon, as you can see from the map. --Monochrome_Monitor 05:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The map, which by the way, still looks atrocious and like a bad ms paint job compared to Iraq and Syria. The colors are still offensively saturated. 24.163.57.88 (talk) 11:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

But then that applies to Saudi Arabia too. DAESH had engaged with the Saudi borders guard some months ago, and they're bombing and trying to bomb a mosque there every week. Does that mean Saudi Arabia too should be added to the map? --Kuwaity26 (talk) 07:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

No. They aren't holding ground in SA, but they are holding ground (albeit very minimal) in Lebanon. --Monochrome_Monitor 11:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level and/or your user rights have changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. -- Orduin 23:39, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hezbollah

You guys added it to the map! That's great! Puts things in perspective. --Monochrome_Monitor 05:53, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

1999 or 2003

The section Foundation of the group (1999–2006) begins

Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Jordanian Salafi Jihadist Abu...

and contains no earlier dates. This doesn't sound a lot like it goes back to 1999, should the section be renamed? I've already done it, this just explains why in case of dispute. SPACKlick (talk) 14:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Tawhid wal-Jihad was around since 1999. It simply didn't get it's "big break" until the US invasion of Iraq in 2003. Gazkthul (talk) 22:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox country

Is it a country? Is there any international recognition? In my eyes this box could cause a misunderstanding. -- 88.76.97.147 (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

ISIS is not a state. This should be changed to use {{Infobox war faction}}. Jmj713 (talk) 17:05, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Hezbollah

reedit the lebanon map yo,Hezbollah controls the all land in the south of litani river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.223.28.219 (talk) 13:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Russia

Please add information about ISIS activity in Russia. sources http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3134206/ISIS-opens-new-Europe-s-doorstep-Chechan-jihadi-group-15-000-fighters-pledge-allegiance-terror-horde.html http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-europe-chechen-jihadi-group-pledges-allegiance-islamic-state-1507439 . Axakov (talk) 12:35, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Axakov, this is already in the article. It states "Some commanders of the Caucasus Emirate in Chechnya and Dagestan have switched their allegiance to ISIL." As of now there is no "activity" just the same claim that these people support ISIL. —Мандичка 😜 12:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Updated to reflect the new Wilayat announced for the North Caucasus Gazkthul (talk) 04:25, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Please discuss Template talk:Caliphate#New template

Please discuss Template talk:Caliphate#New template--Peaceworld 10:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

i propose name change from Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant to --------> Islamic State (group) or Islamic State (IS)_Isl-2015-06-26T06:53:00.000Z">

since it controls places outside iraq and the levant as well. Khaleejian (talk) 06:53, 26 June 2015 (UTC)_Isl"> _Isl">

• Look at the many previous name change discussions at the topic of this page please. Also if you are concerned about accuracy, it should be noted that it is not a state (nor is it Islamic, according to RS). —Мандичка 😜 12:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - I suggest you start a discussion on what disambiguation to use for the name "Islamic State (....)". Then we can start an RM as a name change is long overdue. Mbcap (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

As this article is subject to arbitrary sanctions, and some people feel moving the article to "Islamic State" would violate NPOV, it would be wise to wait several months before doing an RM. There have been four failed attempts at an RM to Islamic State/Islamic State (disamb) since September. —Мандичка 😜 04:06, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

To be fair, the current page name is enormous POV. It was only used by Obama to indicate the ones they were going to fight, as they wanted to keep Syria out of it. Uninformed name changes are not an argument in support of them. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 12:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Bataaf van Oranje What are your thoughts on considering a name change? What name would you think more appropriate? Mbcap (talk) 14:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: The current title already uses both proposed words and adds a WP:NATURAL disambiguator. Requests for parenthetical disambiguators have been rejected too many times in recent months. Islamic state is a different topic from this article. Khestwol (talk) 17:38, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• Strong support - But there needs to be disambiguation used in the title. For example, Islamic State (group), Islamic State (Islamist group) or Islamic State (IS). These are similar disambiguations used for the Khorasan Group.

In relation to Misplaced Pages policy concerning article titles, as per WP:COMMONNAME the Islamic State (IS) or Islamic State (ISIS) designation is by far the most recognizable. These top English-language sources see more use of the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) term than any other term for the group:
BBC-
Associated Press -
Vice News -
Reuters -
PBS -
ABC -
New York Times -

I have only cited these institutions, becuase in my opinion, these are the most widely known and reliable English-language media sources. Media sources should be the ones used, and they will determine whether a term has broad recognition among people. You will find the trend to use the Islamic State and all its renditions such as Islamic State group or Islamic State (IS) as outweighing the usage of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in most English-language sources.

The search results for Islamic State group:
Reuters - 13,300 results
PBS - 25,200 results
ABC - 6,553 results
New York Times - 18,564 results
NPR - 3,980 results

The search results for the current term Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant were as follows:
Reuters - 941 results
PBS - 690 results
ABC - 3,331 results
New York Times - 1,124
NPR - 87 results

Also remember as per WP:TITLECHANGES, that " the choice of title is not dependent on whether a name is "right" in a moral or political sense." This relegates any feeble excuse that naming the group to the Islamic State (with a disambiguation) as being against morals and principles to be meaningless. The argument that it may offend or it is politically incorrect is therefore null-and-void on this Encyclopedia, and holds no water.

Google searches among the terms and the corresponding results figure:

1. Islamic State (IS) comes up with 82,000,000 results -
2. Islamic State (group) comes up with 78,200,000 results -
3. Islamic State (Islamist group) comes up with 5,290,000 results -
4. The current name used in the article, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant only comes up with 1,310,000 results -

Any attempt to counter this proposal will obviously be meant with the constant regurgitation of WP:POVTITLE. However, the current title is in violation of this very policy, as the intent on keeping this article from being named the correct title and more recognizable, as per WP:COMMONNAME is in order to ingrain a certain POV against this group, which violates the policy. At the end of the day, the current poposal is not only the groups official name, and therefore pertaining to WP:NPOVTITLE, but also to WP:COMMONNAME, as shown above. StanTheMan87 (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)_Isl"> _Isl">

Per COMMONNAME a better case can be made for "ISIS", however both titles the ambiguous but concise "Islamic State" and the common acronym "ISIS" were rejected multiple times recently, in a short time period, for various reasons which can be found in the past discussions. Khestwol (talk) 19:14, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

The proposal is to change the name to "Islamic State" with an appropriate disambiguation. "ISIS" is not proposed, and quite frankly, that ship has already sailed. Using an acronymization of a groups former name as the article name is ridiculous. This is especially the case when the reason to refrain from using the proposed name is to dissociate the group from what it claims it represents in a bid to POV-push. I remind you per WP:TITLECHANGES, that " the choice of title is not dependent on whether a name is "right" in a moral or political sense." Also, "ISIS" has too many other connotations placed upon it, see Isis (disambiguation).

Google searches among the terms and the corresponding results figure. If we add in "ISIS" and the disambiguation of "group" or "Islamist group", we get this. However, adding in "IS" with the disambiguation of "group" gathers the most results:

1. IS (group) comes up with 4,110,000,000 results -
2. ISIS (group) comes up with 137,000,000 results -
3. Islamic State (IS) comes up with 82,000,000 results -
4. Islamic State (group) comes up with 78,200,000 results -
5. ISIS (Islamic State) comes up with 41,600,000 results -
6. Islamic State (Islamist group) comes up with 5,290,000 results -
7. ISIS (Islamist group) comes up with 3,680,000 results -
8. The current name used in the article, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant only comes up with 1,310,000 results -

Moreover, those sourced I cited still favor the term "Islamic State" and all its renditions such as "Islamic State group" or "IS" allot more than ISIS. If the title was to be changed to "ISIS", it would need to be "Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham" or "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" with the disambiguation of "ISIS" added in, e.g "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS)".

Google searches among the terms and the corresponding results figure. If we add in "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria or Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham and the disambiguation of "ISIS", we get this:

1. IS (group) comes up with 4,110,000,000 results -
2. ISIS (group) comes up with 137,000,000 results -
3. Islamic State (IS) comes up with 82,000,000 results -
4. Islamic State (group) comes up with 78,200,000 results -
5. ISIS (Islamic State) comes up with 41,600,000 results -
6. Islamic State of Iraq and Syria comes up with 29,700,000 results -
7. Islamic State (Islamist group) comes up with 5,290,000 results -
8. ISIS (Islamist group) comes up with 3,680,000 results -
9. The current name used in the article, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant only comes up with 1,310,000 results -
10. Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham comes up with only 597,000 results -

This is a rough indication that the two terms associated with the acronym "ISIS" are not as popular as the proposed "Islamic State" name, and both the disambiguations cited. StanTheMan87 (talk) 07:04, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

• Strong support - I strongly prefer "Islamic State"; the main issue is that we are letting too much depend on politics. The fact that many prominent news outlets have recently used a new name is not enough to warrant imitation. "ISIL" is a recent, primarily Democrat American-term that U.S. President Obama first used in this speech:

  In Iraq and Syria, American leadership – including our military power – is stopping ISIL’s advance. Instead of getting dragged into another ground war in the Middle East, we are leading a broad coalition, including Arab nations, to degrade and ultimately destroy this terrorist group. We’re also supporting a moderate opposition in Syria that can help us in this effort, and assisting people everywhere who stand up to the bankrupt ideology of violent extremism. This effort will take time. It will require focus. But we will succeed. And tonight, I call on this Congress to show the world that we are united in this mission by passing a resolution to authorize the use of force against ISIL.

  It has generally been seen as a political move to omit focus on Syria after the diplomatic "failure" with Assad in 2013. As he had promised not to have ground troops on Syria's soil, saying he was going to fight the Islamic State in Syria would likely garner a lot of criticism. My own country had an issue with the acronyms, and we have now long adopted Islamitische Staat ("Islamic State"). It takes the vital part of both "ISIS" and "ISIL" and can be used as a main article with perhaps the subarticles for IS in Syria and Iraq. I prefer "Islamic State" over "IS" for the simple reason that "IS" is far too generic.

Two very informative articles:

ISIS or ISIL? The debate over what to call Iraq’s terror group

‘ISIS’ vs. ‘ISIL’ vs. ‘Islamic State’: The political importance of a much-debated acronym

Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 23:28, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

• Support "Islamic State" as AT - StanTheMan87 Thank you for helping this move forward. I personally think stand alone "Islamic State" is the best name but I am happy to go with disambiguation if there is some sort of consensus on what disambiguation to use. I have no preference for IS or ISIS for disambiguation, though an explanation by yourself as to which is more appropriate would be most helpful. Also I should mention that Google searches can be difficult to interpret and they also make no distinction between reliable and unreliable sources. Our considerations should be towards the name being used by reliable sources for the group post 29th June 2014 (post name change) and in that regard the use of "Islamic State" is significantly more common than the other names. Mbcap (talk) 02:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately Mbcap, a disambiguation must be used. We tried before to change it to Islamic State and the common point cited against us was that those of us in favor of changing it to Islamic State could not agree on a disambiguation. We had (Islamist rebel group), (Islamist group), (group) or just (IS). We need to reach a consensus on this and then, using credible and reliable English-language sources, some of which have already been cited, we can vehemently push for the name to change. They will be able to use nothing to oppose such a change. I personally favor either Islamic State (group) or Islamic State (IS) as these two terms are used abundantly in English-language media, and had the highest search results through Google. In some articles they are referred to as the "Islamic State group" or "Islamic State (IS)" and then will be continuously referred to as "IS" for the rest of the article . Google searches do not filter out unreliable sources, but it is still a rough indicator on which terms are more commonly used in the English language through the worlds largest search engine. StanTheMan87 (talk) 07:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

StanTheMan87 I understand. I would go for "Islamic State (IS)" because then we can us IS as short form for the rest of the article but then again because "Islamic State" is more concise, we may not need to use an abbreviation. Mbcap (talk) 12:40, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

• "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (Isil) is not a recent term nor an American term nor an Obama term. It has been the standard long form name for the group in British usage from day one, before any western military involvement. You fellows need to stop now, whilst you're ahead. If you want to move the article, start an RM. Don't play little games here on the talk page for the thousandth time. The present title provides WP:NATURAL disambiguation, as specified by our article title policy, as "Islamic State" is ambiguous. RGloucester — ☎ 05:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

As per the cited sources above, it is now abundantly clear that "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (Isil) is no longer the favorite or commonly used term by many reputable and credible English-language media sources. I have cited the major ones, I can cite many more if you wish in order to ram home this point. "Islamic State" and all the main disambiguations such as "group", "Islamist group" and "IS" outweigh the current title in use, and it has been like this for a long time. Once a disambiguation has been reached among those calling for the title to change, you will have absolutely nothing, no basis to prevent the name from changing. StanTheMan87 (talk) 07:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

WP:TITLECHANGES, for one. There's also the matter that WP:NATURAL disambiguation is always preferred to parenthetical disambiguation, meaning that any parenthetical disambiguator is secondary to the natural disambiguator currently used. Common usage is not the sole determination of whether we name an article a certain thing. Please see WP:NATURAL, which says "Natural disambiguation: If it exists, choose an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names". Even if the current title is not the most common, it is the most in line with our policies. RGloucester — ☎ 14:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

RGloucester, you can't possibly think the current title is a stable one. The fact that is has been in use for about a year for very poor reasons is not nearly enough to ensure its shaky status quo. Several times "no consensus" was assumed even though there has been a clear consensus from day one that "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" is far too POV. I do not know if you have any specific interests in this issue or if you are merely tired of it being discussed, but with an "almost moved" every two months there must be a good reason for our persistence (not that I had anything to do with any previous discussions, mind you). Read the two articles I posted and tell me what's wrong with them. I don't see why we need to alarm some sort of official authority group when TP goers are capable of discussing it. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Every title that involves this group is a "POV" title, which is exactly why WP:TITLECHANGES applies. Your repeated clamouring and "persistence" is only disruption, nothing more. You fail, once again, to recognise that the present title is a form of WP:NATURAL disambiguation, as specified by our policies. RGloucester — ☎ 17:36, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

You mean the WP:NATURAL disambiguation which states that the entity is the "Islamic State (of Iraq and the Levant)"? This used to be the case, until around 8 months ago where IS has expanded to locations around the world leading this "Natural" disambiguation to be worthless, in that it leads to ambiguity surrounding the groups presence. It's no longer a "Natural" disambiguation it is an ambiguation. StanTheMan87 (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense. WP:NATURAL disambiguation is specifically NOT parenthetical disambiguation. Please read the policy again. RGloucester — ☎ 00:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

RGloucester , you have failed to actually interpret what I had typed. The "Natural" disambiguation which separates the term "Islamic State" from the philosophical/Political concept of an 'Islamic State" is the phrase "of the Iraq and the Levant", that is why I typed "Islamic State (of Iraq and the Levant)", putting the "Natural" disambiguation into brackets for you. So I will repeat again: The phrase "of the Iraq and the Levant" which constitutes the "Natural" disambiguation you are ranting on about in the article title is worthless and meaningless now. It now leads to ambiguity surrounding the groups presence due to the fact it no longer confined to the regions of the Iraq and the Levant. It's no longer a "Natural" disambiguation it is an ambiguation. The only possible reason you keep maintaining this "Natural" disambiguation is therefore to POV push, just like how western politicians refer to it as "ISIL" in order to intentionally de-legitimize the group then if they referred to it as "Islamic State". Because your "Natural" disambiguation is therefore worthless, (this is shown due to the all the change of name requests launched on this talk page to change it to "Islamic State" with a parenthetical disambiguation), you have no case to keep citing WP:NATURAL as an excuse. StanTheMan87 (talk) 06:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

(Comment by 217.39.62.99 moved from above for clarity)

• Daesh comes up with 5,520,000 results - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.39.62.99 (talk) 08:57, 30 June 2015 (UTC)_Isl">_Isl">

"Daesh" will not be used, given its large irrelevance in western mainstream media and in English-language sources. The search results are still lower than that of "Islamic State (group)" and "Islamic State (IS)" so hence, through WP:COMMONNAME, it is an inferior alternative. The fact that it was also conjured up by those with an anti-Islamic State POV breaches WP:POVTITLE, and it is always used in a pejorative and derogatory manner. StanTheMan87 (talk) 14:24, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

"large irrelevance in western mainstream media ..." You haven't been reading the papers, or listening to PMQs - it is the most widely used term in Arabic discourse and they are neither a 'state' nor 'Islamic' 217.39.62.99 (talk) 16:31, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

In Arabic discourse it has sure been the main term, but that has little importance here. Fact remains that they declare themselves to be the Islamic State. That's why many Western Muslims are angry at them for their own reasons. English-speaking media has always used a variation of IS or Islamic State and - even though this is an international Misplaced Pages - our titles are in English. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 16:51, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

It is ridiculous to assert that it is unimportant: recently, politicians from a number of parties and countries have proposed that it would be most appropriate to use of the Arabic name DAESH for the organisation and the BBC, for one, is reviewing the use of IS.217.39.62.99 (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

1. Fact: The term lacks the amount of recognition in the English-speaking world as "Islamic State" and all its renditions of "Islamic State group" or "Islamic State (IS). This is shown though the google searches, and undoubtedly, the searches conducted on each of the main English-speaking institutions as cited above for Islamic State (group/IS) v. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Therefore, it fails WP:COMMONNAME. Also, the apparent fact that it is used frequently in Arabic media channels is irrelevant, given this is the English Misplaced Pages. Maybe if you hopped onto the IS page on the Arabic Misplaced Pages here you could make that point.
2. Fact: The term was created by those with an anti-Islamic State POV, based on a loose acronymization of its former name, The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham. Due to the fact that it also sounds familiar for the Arabic word Da'ish which means 'to crush' or 'to trample, it is used exclusively in a pejorative and derogatory manner. This therefore contravenes WP:POVTITLE. In contrast the proposed term "Islamic State" with a disambiguation of either (group) or (IS) fails to express a POV, as this is the groups official name. We are not giving them a leg up, we are merely documenting the fact of the matter, however unfortunate that may be for you. You don't think it's fair, tough luck. It wasn't me nor anyone of these editors who chose to designate "Islamic State" upon this group.

Now, I am not sure if you are aware, but this is an Encyclopedia, not a Pro-NATO, Pro-CSTO, Pro-Western, Pro-Eastern or Pro-anything propaganda publication. This means that the article will not be changed into a term which is politically one-sided, with its heritage embedded in a clear POV. If you seem to disagree, then my advice is that Misplaced Pages just may not be the place for you, if you wish to espouse your one-sided views on matters of Encyclopedic discussion. Also the BBC has stated it will use the the term "Islamic State group", which is one of the name change options . StanTheMan87 (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - the number hits appear to be skewed because of use of abbreviations; this does not seem to be taken into account. For example, if an article refers to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, they are going to use this ONCE in the story and the 12 other references will be referring to it as ISIL. Additionally, this search doesn't consider disclaimers; note the BBC here says they refer to ISIS as the "So-called Islamic State." —Мандичка 😜 02:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
• Support changing name to 'Islamic State'. This is the name of the group. DylanLacey (talk) 12:07, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment I want to remind all users that saying "support" or "do not support" is irrelevant here, and this isn't an RM request. Save it for when one opens. RGloucester — ☎ 13:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I thought we were jumping the gun. Banak (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

And when such a request opens, I am happy to just copy and past what I have typed here. StanTheMan87 (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support - Islamic State (IS) is neutral, well known and unambiguous. I agree that ISIS and ISIL are inappropriate as the group controls territory beyond Iraq and Syria/al-Sham/the Levant. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:20, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose: There's no good reason to change the title and I oppose the change per WP:TITLECHANGES. Many reliable sources still use the term 'Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant'. By the way, some sources such as BBC are alleged to act so that the term 'Islamic State' is legitimized. Check sources such as 1, 2 and 3 to get the point. Mhhossein (talk) 14:23, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Your points for opposing have all been invalidated further up in the discussion. There are more reasons to change it than to keep the current title. The BBC is retaining using the term "Islamic State" and also in various capacities such as the preface "so-called" and "Islamic State group" , as it is impartial, something this Encyclopedia should be as well. And yet people like you still have a POV to push. That is unacceptable, and has no place here. StanTheMan87 (talk) 14:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@StanTheMan87: please take personal attacks seriously and consider that "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence" is regarded as personal attack. However, no one can ignore the facts that still many sources use the original title for calling the group. You may fins some more sources by a little search. By the way, “I have to say that I have a different view of what impartiality means to the BBC,” take a look at Criticism of the BBC! Mhhossein (talk) 12:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Currency used by ISIL?

I had noticed the website on coins used by ISIL and they mint 10 and 20 fulus in copper (10 and 20 grams), 1, 5 and 10 dirhams in silver (2, 10 and 20 grams) and 1 and 5 dinars in 21k gold (4.27 and 21.25 grams). Price ranges from 5 cents for 10 copper fulus to about $700 USD for 5 gold dinar. Take note that metal prices fluctuate over time. Ryan (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

State offices and courts are now considered "factions"?

What's up with the table in the Designation as a terrorist organisation section? It defines courts and international organizations as "factions". Surely there's a more suiting word for them. GMRE (talk) 20:06, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't see why that column needs to be there at all. Surely Australia and Canada are sufficient, what does adding Attorney-General for Australia and Parliament of Canada actually add. Some of these names don't appear in the sources either, so there may be some WP:OR here. Gazkthul (talk) 22:48, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I think that column used to be called "legislative body" in an earlier version of the article. What sane person would change it to factions? GMRE (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Rename article

The name of the article should be changed to Islamic State. That is the name that they have officially adopted. They have expanded beyond "Iraq and the Levant", so to qualify the name with the names of those countries makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.239.161.170 (talk) 08:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Remove topics and words that glorify and give a sense of power to ISIL

I agree there should be a wiki entry for ISIL of course, information is necessary for research and reflection. I don't agree that the page should however contain information that in anyway eludes to it being a 'power' or 'state' or any other information that indirectly glorifies / shows the perceived strength of this small band of fundamentalists. Prospective joiners of ISIL will read this entry and may become seduced. All information of its 'leader' etc that in anyway shows it as a power or state should be removed I feel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.188.57.213 (talk) 11:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

What you're asking is a form of censorship based on your personal political views. Misplaced Pages couldn't be taken seriously as a source of information, if it purposely had obvious propaganda in it. Also, they are obviously much more than a "small band of fundamentalists". GMRE (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

References

2. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/they-are-neither-a-state-nor-islamic-why-we-shouldnt-call-them-isis-isil-or-is-10353365.html
3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3144257/BBC-review-use-Islamic-State-120-MPs-write-Corporation-calling-use-Daesh-terror-group.html

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