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No link to Television City, Hollywood, CA?

I was searching for "Television City, Hollywood, CA" where many pre 1980 Game Shows were filmed.

I did not find an entry, but "CBS Television City, Hollywood, CA," is mentioned in the lengthy Glen Campbell article. The mention of CBS Television City, Hollywood, CA is not a link.

This is my first time posting -- do not want to screw anything up by trying to create a link for "Television City, Hollywood, CA"

Any suggestions?

Michelle Michelleintx (talk) 01:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Bullies, Gangs and Teams

Hello It's clear to me that people have passionate views here and elsewhere. When an article is created and tends to support a particular point of view that is controversial, it would seem to welcome more dialog. But I'm finding that when editing a controversial topic, I get reverted quickly without explanation or with inflammatory reasons. For example "reverted - POV Pushing" or "Reverted - promotion of bad citation" - when the citation is not bad, and when my POV is just my POV and I'm not pushing it? It seems that there will be teams of people working together to wear me out, where one comes in and deletes, then another, then another. I don't want to go out and get my own team of people because that's against the rules, but clearly Teams of thought police do exist within articles and why aren't they held to the same standard? Otherwise Misplaced Pages just is a place that people sit on top of their work with their friends and makes it look like Misplaced Pages supports one side of a controversial topic. Example LGBT parenting (see talk page where the Research section was started by me as an IP user and review the editing history, specifically by Roscelese). Thanks, Cityside. Cityside189 (talk) 23:18, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, first, once an editor has concluded that there are tag-teams of bullies, it is impossible to persuade them that there are not. However, I fail to see any evidence that you have actually had that experience, unless you had that experience, before registering your very new account, if you were editing as an IP. It is true that some editors routinely revert edits by IPs. That shouldn't happen, but it does, and the answer is to register an account, which you did. I fail to see any articles that you have edited where you were reverted with the sort of edit summary to which you refer. You may be concerned about Mark Regnerus, but you have taken that article to the dispute resolution noticeboard, which was a reasonable step. I regret that the editor who volunteered to act as the moderator has about the same amount of experience as you do (very little) and should not be moderating. We are trying to deal with that situation. However, I fail to see where there has been tag-teaming or editing by gangs. I am aware that IP editors are often dismissed. While undesirable, that is not due to teams or gangs, but to some editors simply having contempt for IP editors. You did the right thing in registering an account. Also, you won't improve the acceptance of your edits by having a reputation for complaining about bullies and gangs. There are occasionally bullies and gangs in Misplaced Pages, and we have procedures for dealing with them. I see that you have read the dispute resolution policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Interesting reading might be m:Why a cabal is perceived. Eman235/talk 01:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

thank you Robert and Eman. Am I wrong? OK, let me think about that. My experience that led me to worry about this was the LGBT Parenting article . I edited the article with a properly cited research quotation, reliable and verifiable, it was labelled as a bad study. I tried to include information about the controversy, it was deleted with "POV pushing". I gathered enough information before reverting my own edits and went to the talk page. It started seeming like any information contrary to the view of the article would be deleted. So that's the experience I speak of, and the edit summaries show that. Thank you for your compliment about going to dispute resolution, that was the only way I thought of at the time to get help. I'll get better at this over time, I'm sure. The disputant didn't think it was worth taking to dispute but he wasn't answering me on the talk page fast enough, and not having enough experience to be patient and that there is no deadline. Thank you for the information on the moderator, I just looked at his talk page and see he was just registered, so yes, I think maybe someone with more experience can help me. Can I request that this person recuse themselves? I'd like you, Robert, to read over my latest edits on the dispute resolution board and tell me what you think. I'm not going to develop a reputation for complaining about bully and gangs, but I did share my opinion that Roscelese a bully on her talk page, which I would also like you to look at and tell me your view of my messaging her there (I don't know any other way of messaging people). Overall I have come to like Misplaced Pages and the nearest thing to this was when I was in graduate school in 1992, when we had listservs, on VAX/VMS computers. And did the discussions happen then!! Having some time on my hands I wanted to check into this Misplaced Pages that I have used routinely for at least a decade. I respect it. And I grew briefly disillusioned when my "perfectly good work" :) was deleted unceremoniously! How dare they!?!  :) Anyway I would appreciate more of your insights. I'm fairly impressed that more tenured users take it very seriously. Well if you have the time I would appreciate it.Cityside189 (talk) 02:35, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

The article in question is LGBT parenting. I see that two editors reverted your edits with the comments that you note. I don't see any reason to think that they were acting as a team, let alone as bullies, and by making that claim here you have made Misplaced Pages a less friendly place. They may have just disagreed with you, or they may have been contemptuous of IP editors. It sometimes appears to IP editors that they are being ganged up on, when what is really happening is that some editors routinely revert IPs. I see no evidence of an attempt to discuss on the talk page. It is unfortunate both that you have taken this experience as evidence of tag teams, gangs, and bullies, and that you have muddied the waters by raising that claim here. I hope that you can learn from your mistake and not infer the existence of tag teams and bullying from ordinary Misplaced Pages behavior. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Your use of the word "censorship" on the talk page was not helpful. The use of the word "censorship" to "win" a content dispute is common but is very seldom productive. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

quick Question

how can I put picture of the day and userbox side by side please.--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You can do that by putting {{Pic of the day}} under the userboxes instead of above. Eman235/talk 00:17, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fruit Nd Nut: The above means that it's {{Pic of the day}} that will move down when there aren't room for both in narrow windows. If you want the userboxes to move down in narrow windows then you could put this at top:

{{Float-left-begin}}
{{Pic of the day}}
{{Float-left-end}}

PrimeHunter (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding last message

I sent User: Des a reply to his offer of help (please see message Titled Error made haven't had a response yet!!!--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 18:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I have now responded in the section below. Sorry for the delay, Fruit Nd Nut, but it was only a few hours. DES 18:57, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Something wrong with diffs?

Probably not the right place to ask, but...

I was looking at the revision history for RuneScape and noticed something very odd. When I click on the "prev" next to the 19:27, 24 July 2015 revision by Maths314 (which leads to this), it shows the 19:21, 24 July 2015 and 19:27, 24 July 2015 revisions, as expected. When I click on "Next edit", it shows me the 19:27, 24 July 2015 revision... and the 09:26, 4 January 2004 revision by 144.132.201.77.

I don't know if this is just me or if anyone else has this issue. Anyways, any thoughts are appreciated. CabbagePotato (talk) 17:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• All I can say is what I see CabbagePotato - and that is 20:27 for both the history list and the "Revision as of.." - odd one getting 19:21! KylieTastic (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, CabbagePotato. According to the page logs: 7 August 2015 Graham87 restored page RuneScape (4 revisions restored: history merge four edits from early January 2004 whose content was merged into this article ... they fit snugly between the old text and the merge) History merges, especially when some of the revisions are very old, can have this kind of effect. This is because the revision history sorts by revision ID number, not by date, but in a history merge sometimes old revisions are assigned new IDs. This is a known bug, ask over at WP:VPT for more detail. Mostly one can just not worry about it. DES 17:35, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@DESiegel: That seems to make sense. Thank you! CabbagePotato (talk) 17:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

@DESiegel and CabbagePotato: Indeed. In this case the revisions have out-of-order ID numbers because they were deleted before Misplaced Pages was upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5 in late June 2005. In this case they were deleted in August 2004 to make way for this page move (). Graham87 02:51, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Help linking portal images

Hi Tea house team, Can someone please help me with linking portal images? I want to link this image to the Serer people portal and this image to the Serer religion portal. Would someone please show me how to do this? For example when you place Portal|United Kingdom to Misplaced Pages articles the UK flag appears. I need to know how to link the above images for portals Serer people and religion. Any help would be immensely appreciated. Thank you. Tamsier (talk) 16:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Tamsier I assume you mean the image when using {{Portal|Serer people}} and {{Portal|Serer religion}}

In which case you need to request the changes Template talk:Portal - Start a new section add {{edit template-protected}} at the top of the request, a polite request and list the two requests...

• Serer people - File:Serer Royal War Drum (Jung-Jung). 19th Century. Jung-Jung From The Kingdom of Sine (in modern day Senegal).jpg
• Serer religion - File:Five Pointed Star Lined.svg

Hope that answers it ok? KylieTastic (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much KylieTastic. Tamsier (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

* Hi Tamsier I see your asked John of Reading the same thing after you response here so I'm assuming maybe you didn't quite understand - So I've posted the request for you with this edit over on Template talk:Portal. So the next admin or template editor who passes by (and may well be John of Reading) should fix that up for you. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for that. That is most helpful. Tamsier (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

wrong redirection

"Paracycling" and "Paralympic cycling" redirect to "Cycle sport". They shouldn't, because the article "Cycle sport" contains no information about paracycling. Can the redirection for the words go to a more suitable article, such as "Para-cycling classification"?142.150.38.155 (talk) 15:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree and have adjusted the redirect targets. Note that any editor, even if not logged in, could have made this change, it did not require any special rights or access. DES 17:21, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Many users don't know how to edit redirects. See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:24, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Quite true and I should have provided that information. Thanks. DES 17:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. You are right, I did not know how. Appreciate you making the change and providing the info.142.150.38.155 (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Band Page

I just tried to make a page for my band and it got speedily deleted, wanted to know why? Thanks Rosco1231 (talk) 15:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rosco1231, welcome to the Teahouse. The article you created has been placed under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, which means that you didn't provide enough sources or verifications to indicated the notability of the subject. As you created an article about a band it must satisfy general notability guideline or notability criteria for music groups to have a Misplaced Pages article. Please do not re-create deleted articles unless you think you can address the issues pointed out by deleting administrator. Also, please do not create nonsensical articles such as FleeceBand regarding the same subject as they will be speedily deleted as well. Best,--Chamith (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are an inexperienced editor, it is recommended that you create articles in draft space rather than in article space. That way, when you submit them for approval, if they are declined, you will have comments indicating why they were declined, and the article will still exist, so that it can be improved. If you create an article in article space that falls short of the minimum criteria, as you have seen, it may be speedy-deleted. So I suggest that, in the future, you create articles in draft space. If you submit them and they are declined, you will have comments, and the comments can be discussed with the reviewer, including here. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Rosco1231. Fleece (Band) merely said that this is a band, and listed the members. It had no sources, and said nothing about why this particular band is significant or important, much less notable. I urge you to read our notability guideline for bands, Your First Article, and the summery of the essentials for an article. After that, If you think you can supply the needed sources to make a valid article, i urge you to use the article wizard which will help you create a page in draft space, as suggested above, and have an experienced editor review it before it is subject to speedy deletion for notability or most other reasons. (However, do NOT copy text from the band's website or other sites. That would be a copyright violation, and would get even a draft page speedy deleted.) DES 16:18, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

error made

Please could you revert my error made on user: Rowdy srezan's page please.--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Fruit Nd Nut, and welcome to the Teahouse.  Done I suppose you were trying to make a copy of User:Rowdy srezan/navbar for your own use, is that correct? do you want help with that? DES 15:03, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

that was what I was trying to do so yes your help would be much appreciated Des.--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 15:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Here is what you need to do, Fruit Nd Nut:

1. edit User:Rowdy srezan/navbar and copy the full wiki code for the page. Don't save any changes.
2. Edit User:Fruit Nd Nut/navbar and paste the code from step 1.
3. Change all references to "Rowdy srezan" to "Fruit Nd Nut".
4. Save User:Fruit Nd Nut/navbar thus creating the page.
5. Edit User:Fruit Nd Nut and change {{User:Rowdy srezan/navbar}} to {{User:Fruit Nd Nut/navbar}}
6. Edit User talk:Fruit Nd Nut and add {{User:Fruit Nd Nut/navbar}} at the top

I hope those instructions are clear. DES 18:55, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Upgrade with no references

Hi teahouse hosts, several list defined reference errors have flagged up with this major edit but the editor didn't supply any new references and doesn't have a talk page. As it stands, the article seems to fall short of the standard we expect for a BLP but I'm not sure what action is required. If one deleted everything that is unreferenced there wouldn't be an article. CV9933 (talk) 11:44, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

You probably should contact the major editor and ask them about the references. I'd recommend finding reliable ones yourself if there is no reply.

There is also the possibility that the user's IP is non-static- in which case the refs would need to be added manually. (Teahouse guest -Kurousagi 12:16, 8 August 2015 (UTC))

Hey CV9933. There are times when to revert or not is a close call but this was really far from a grey area; the edit had many problems to it, which I've listed upon my revert. Any similarly situated edit you find, one that blanks sourced content, and replaces it with unsourced content – especially in a biography of a living person – adds marketing speak language, and to boot breaks the code of the page should be reverted immediately, with prejudice, and without a second thought. This was also a blatant copyright violation. Based on the copyright violation, I've RevDeleted the version in the history. This can be requested using {{Copyvio-revdel}}. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Fuhghettaboutit. That was the more comprehensive answer I was looking for. Since there were no new references supplied, I was focused on that element. I figured the tone of the article was therefore irrelevent and I probably didn't spot the copyvio for the same reason.CV9933 (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Living person

Hi, I interviewed the person I'm writing about, how can I use the information I gathered ? Internet sources on his personal life are not available, and my interview is not published...how can I cite them ? Thanks, Kushi-tolom (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Kushi-tolom, and welcome to the Teahouse. Since the interview is not published, you can't cite it, and so none of the information from it can be used in a Misplaced Pages article, unless you can find other sources for it. I'm afraid that interviewing your subject is simply not helpful in drafting a Misplaced Pages article. If you can get the interview published by a reputable publisher (not on a persona web site or blog) then someone (preferably not you) could then cite it in such an article. (I say "preferably not you" as it is strongly discouraged for an editor here to cite his or her own work).

Misplaced Pages articles are based on already published information, mostly from independent reliable sources. An interview, even if published, is a primary source and as such must be used with care. Doing one's own interview constitutes original research and is not acceptable as part of the basis for a Misplaced Pages article. I am sure this will be frustrating, but it is how Misplaced Pages works. DES 09:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Help

Can someone fix the formatting of the committed identity box on my user page so the box is just around the text and not on the whole background of the page? Thanks The Editor of All Things Misplaced Pages 08:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Editor of All Things Misplaced Pages (talk • contribs)

 Fixed Someone else fixed this in response to a similar post at the help desk. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

What is this?

What is the teahouse?Icy monster gun (talk) 07:35, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The teahouse is a place to ask any questions about wikipedia. Welcome! Thanks The Editor of All Things Misplaced Pages 08:13, 8 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Editor of All Things Misplaced Pages (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages page - Speedy deletion nomination

Dear.

I am actually a new user in Misplaced Pages, I have been writing a biography, some hours ago, I requested help to this contact page regarding an issue of getting rid of the username in the title of the page. I would not like the others have access to my login section. However, it takes by surprise that my page was deleted. I do not know the exact reasons, but I am trying to fix the problems. The page is still in the process and I have not completely work all the details.

Could you please help me to recover the page: the username is: Luislaaglobal

Thanks in advance Luislaaglobal (talk) 05:45, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Luislaaglobal and welcome to the Teahouse. You asked the same question on your talk page where it has been answered, but I'll give it one more shot here. The Misplaced Pages is an Encyclopedia and not a social site like Facebook or Twitter, read about it all at: Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not. Your user page is not for writing a biography on, it is a page where you describe what your intentions here on the Misplaced Pages are, what you want to write about or things like that. That is why the page was removed and it will not be restored. All this is explained at Misplaced Pages:User pages. You can also try looking at other user pages and see how they are done. Start by clicking on some of the names you see here at the Teahouse. I think you should read about working here and making articles in Misplaced Pages:Your first article, that will give you more information. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 09:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Luislaaglobal It is not just that the page was a draft biography on your user page, which is not a proper location. If that had been the only issue the page could have been moved to a proper location. It appears to be an Autobiography which is strongly discouraged. And the draft, which i read, makes it pretty clear that its subject (whether that is actually you or not) is not notable in the special Misplaced Pages sense. See the golden rule. Even if the subject should prove to be notable, the draft went into far too much detail on the early life and education of the subject, which is not what he (or almost anyone) is notable for. Under the circumstances i am not willing to restore the page, although you could ask the deleting admin or at WP:REFUND. However, if yoiu ask, I would be willing to email you the text of the draft. DES 10:22, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you DES, for adding this. I could not see the content of the deleted page since that is for admins only, and I prefer to deal in facts rather than guessing. Best, w.carter-Talk 10:57, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources.

Hi! If someone uses a published news article as a source to cite very specific info on a wikipedia article, while the news article in fact contains information that are scientifically incorrect, but also irrelevant to the subject. Would that affect its credibility? Also, how many credible sources do you usually need to prove anything? Thanks! UnluckyClover77 (talk) 04:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Excellent question, UnluckyClover77. The most important thing to remember is that no media source is 100% reliable. Editorial judgement is required. Let me give an example: One strong indicator that a given source is reliable is when they are quick to publish detailed corrections when they make a mistake. We tend to trust such sources. They prove that they are generally reliable by admitting that, in a small percentage of cases, they are unreliable. But it would be wrong to cite an uncorrected version of such a faulty news article in a Misplaced Pages article

It should be obvious that some news outlets are more reliable than others, and that there is a continuum between the very best sources and mostly unacceptable ones. In general, when a wide range of sources are available to back up a specific claim, it is best to select the two or three sources with the most widely accepted reputation for reliability.

Even the best source is useless if it does not back up the assertion being referenced.

As for "scientifically incorrect", that raises many possibilities. We do not put claims that the moon landings were faked in our moon or Apollo Program articles. But such kook theories are notable enough that they can be described in articles about the conspiracy theory, although we should never state or imply that such theories are true in Misplaced Pages's voice. As a general rule, it is not up to Misplaced Pages editors to determine whether or not a given claim is "scientifically correct", except in our own minds. We should summarize what legitimate scientific sources say about a claim. If the vast majority of reliable sources say that the claim is hogwash, then so should we. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:26, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response and good info. What I meant is that the news article in question contains statement A (Which is relevant) and statement B (Which is not relevant to the subject). Of course, the editor would include this news article because of statement A, but what if statement B is scientifically incorrect? And by scientifically incorrect I mean it is relatively easy to find a dozen other "VERY" reliable sources to challenge it. Doesn't that diminish the whole article's credibility? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnluckyClover77 (talk • contribs) 05:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, UnluckyClover77. I cannot judge a specific case without a link to the article and information about the claim in question. But I think that the aphorism "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" may be relevant. Let's say that a low end "popular" science magazine reports that a notable UFO advocate died of a heart attack at age 87 on such and such a date. It is probably reliable enough for that claim. But the article in the sane magazine one page over that says some guy has invented a gadget allowing cars to run on distilled water? That is an extraordinary claim requiring vastly better sourcing. I hope that helps. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that will suffice. Thanks again! :)197.135.43.79 (talk) 07:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

RefTools problem

I am a frequent user of the RefToolbar, but since 7 August I have noticed that, when clicked, the templates dropdown menu now disappears behind the large editable text box. Because of this I cannot click on any of the four choices cite web, cite news, cite journal, or cite book. I know that I could go to the actual template pages to copy, paste, and manually fill in the appropriate fields. I mention this just to see of other editors also have this issue. If my explanation of the problem is unclear, I apologize. I will upload a screenshot of the problem to Commons if needed. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:58, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vycl1994. I can't help you with the specific problem with the Ref Toolbar, since I edit "old school", creating my references manually. As long as the toolbar has technical problems, let me recommend Misplaced Pages:Citation templates, where you can find the code for all the major reference templates on a single page. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:43, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Vycl1994. I would add to Cullen328's advice by suggesting that you ask your question again at the Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical). I took a look to see if anyone else had the same problem that you are having. I didn't see anything specifically to do with the RefToolbar. There are lots of editors who patrol that page twho are well versed in the technical aspects of editing. Good luck and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you both for your suggestions. I have posted at the Village pump and will leave a link to the Misplaced Pages:Citation templates on my user page. Vycl1994 (talk) 14:23, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Formatting Sources.

I have had several submissions rejected and to increase the chances that my next submission will be accepted I have attempted to add some published sources to my article. https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Roberta_Grossman

But now the references repeat themselves twice. I don't know how to correct this. I also don't know how to footnote within the article without it turning into an external link.

Please help.

Thank you.

Ahurvitz2 (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Ahurvitz2, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once, Referencing for Beginners, and citing sources. In short, you can add a "name" to a citation in the ref tag. Then you can reuse the name so that the source is cited multiple times. For example, if you were to include:

<ref name=Jones>{{cite Book|first=John |last=Jones |title=The Truth about Smith|pages=25-30|year=1997}}</ref>

you could later include

<ref name=Jones /> (note the closing slash on the ref tag.)

Overall this might be used something like this:

Jones described Smith as "a very angry man". Indeed he stressed that Smith was violent on many occasions.

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/LGBT_parenting
2. ^ Jones, John (1997). The Truth about Smith. pp. 25–30.

I hope this clarifys the technique a bit, DES 01:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ahurvitz2. I believe that Roberta Grossman is almost certainly notable as a documentary filmmaker with a long and distinguished career, and what you need to do is add and use the very best sources that devote significant coverage to her, and weed out the lower quality sources such as blogs. The Ha'aretz article is a strong source, but it is discussing her career in the context of an unreleased 2017 film. Look for similar articles that discuss her in the context of her released films. I have copy edited and wikilinked the draft article a bit, making it fit in a bit better with our established Manual of Style. Good luck. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:49, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Cullen I greatly appreciate your help in getting the draft of https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Roberta_Grossman into publishable Misplaced Pages shape. I will continue to see if there are "very best sources" out there to include in her article.

Ahurvitz2 (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Proper protocol to question/respond to removal of an edit

I'm a new editor and I noticed that the important events date for August 5 does not include the Attack at the Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. My edit was removed by an editor due to formatting problems and a question as to whether it was globally noteworthy.

I corrected the formatting and reposted, but it was then removed again by a different editor with no explanation given.

I have checked the guidelines for these pages for noteworthy events which are crimes, and I believe this fits the standard. I also noted that a very similar crime is listed on June 17 events for the attack at the Charlotte AME Church.

What is the proper way to resolve this? I posted about it on the talk page, but without explanation as to why the edit was removed a second time I am not sure what to do to provide the necessary justification and to whom I should provide it. Thanks! 94608Katsu (talk) 23:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey 94608Katsu. I see you've already posted to Talk:August 5. That would have been my first recommendation. However, that page is only on the watchlists of 68 users. Even though that is not on its own a tiny number, that article has a history that goes back to 2001, and has had more than 2,800 edits by 1,420 different users (though some were IPs of course); it's the type of topic that naturally has lots of 'drive by editing,' so I'm betting a really significant percentage of that number is editors who are no longer active. Probably more significantly, the talk page has only had 19 edits total. What I suggest is that you post instead to Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Days of the year. Even though that 'only' has 79 watchers, it couldn't be more different. The fact it's a project page makes its editors much more likely to be core users, and its talk page has had 1,194 edits.

As to your post, make it easy on people: provide the diffs of your edits instead of making people read a description and search what you mean and link the article Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting. You might also post your proposed edit alongside the discussion thread.

Also be aware of the criteria at Misplaced Pages:Days of the year. The common thread seems to be truly large scale events. For example, "Major terrorist attacks that greatly affected countries and had a significant number of casualties (i.e. over 1000)". You're right that the Charleston church shooting seems a comparable event on many levels, but that received extraordinary and global news coverage, a eulogy by the president of the United States, vast numbers of people rallying and so forth, that the Sikh Temple attack simply did not generate. Looking to sourcing as one metric someone might turn to, even though the Sikh Template attack was three years ago, a Google News search of "<"Wade Michael Page" Oak Creek> finds 1,590 results. The Charleston church shooting was less than two months ago and a similar search <"Dylann Roof" Charleston> finds 106,000 results. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:20, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Wierd linking fail; new one for me

This might be a VPT question but I like to bring things to this forum for variety (and there's some very sophisticated technical users who contribute here) so: Check out this diff. The link I used appears in every way I can think of correct. If you copy and paste into the search box it functions fine. It was also created with copy and paste – the only thing I supplied manually is the number sign. If I click on it, however, it takes me to our mainspace article at Request (and it's not redirecting there). Does it do that for you too? Never seen this particular head scratcher before. Any ideas?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Did you perhaps pipe it the wrong way round (i.e. write ] instead of ])? I've done that in the past. — Bilorv_(talk) 20:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey Bilorv. That is actually the best explanation; what I would think if someone asked me why X was going to Y like that; it explains it to a tee. Therefore it probably is the case – even though my memory is very fresh. The reason it did not even occur to me was because I can still feel the echo of my actions: I never placed a pipe, I had no reason to pipe the link at all, and I did the whole thing with copy and paste so I just can't see how I could have piped it. But, I must have. Human error is usually the culprit. Thanks for the cold reality check:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

According to your edit summary was "Restored per ]". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:43, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

copywrite your own material

they flagged me fr speedy deletion because they said my text matched the same bio I wrote for website. I am the creater and copywrite holder. how can I resolve this misunderstanding and get article active? UrbanAnthropology (talk) 20:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, UrbanAnthropology. This is not a misunderstanding. We cannot accept any significant amount of written content which is copyrighted unless it is freely released under an acceptable Creative Commons license. The website in question has nothing posted saying that the content is free for anyone to use for any purpose. You may be the author but we can't use the material unless it is formally licensed in writing. However, an even more important issue is that the language of the website is promotional and therefor inappropriate for an encyclopedia. For example, consider this sentence: "These skills and passion for numbers served him well in his professional career, and have been vital in his success across numerous industries." That is marketing language, and our articles must be written from the neutral point of view. I suggest reading and studying Your first article. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:20, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

How to add box for information about films?

Hi, I would like to add a box where I can fill with information about the movie. Like the right box on this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Like_Sunday,_Like_Rain

However I couldn't find how to do it. Can someone help me?

Best, Daniela

Danielashaw (talk) 18:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

The word you've looking for is "infobox". In Like Sunday, Like Rain, it is created with the code at the very top of the text in the edit window, that starts with {{Infobox film and ends with }}. Looking at the code used in that article and using it for the basis of the infobox you want to add might be a good idea. Take a look at Template:Infobox film#Usage to see the valid "parameters" (places to input information) for this template and Help:A quick guide to templates to learn about the mechanics of templates in general. — Bilorv_(talk) 18:23, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :)

Danielashaw (talk) 19:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Specific guidance requested to help get article approved

My draft article Draft:Sacred Attention Therapy has been declined based on the following feedback from the reviewer:

"This submission provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter. Please see the guide to writing better articles for information on how to better format your submission."

I have reviewed guidelines on ‘context’ and ‘writing better articles’ and see nothing to guide me toward revising my article for approval. Can anyone in the Misplaced Pages community provide any specific guidance to improve my article so that I can get it approved? RobMeagherSAT (talk) 17:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, RobMeagherSAT and welcome to the Teahouse. The article should explain, in an early section, what SAT is supposed to do, what sorts of problems or issues it is intended to solve, and where it fits within the wide realm of mental therapy. See how the early sections of the article Cognitive behavioral therapy explain what CBT is and how is is supposed to work. You need to do something of the sort for SAT.

Then in the section "Core elements of Sacred Attention Therapy", you have many phrases such as "The primary paradigm for how we relate to others and to life, as drawn from our experience of the family..." Misplaced Pages article should not address the reader or assume a narrator in this way. Instead something such as "The primary paradigm for how a person relates to others and to life, as drawn from the person's experience of the family..." Or "the patient" or "the subject" might be used instead of "a person". But not "we", nor "I" nor "you". Also, these "Core elements" must be cited to a source that says thy are part of SAT.

Later the draft reads "Freud, Allport, Fromm, and Descartes all speak of elements resembling the Central Character Dynamic". This kind of analysis must be sourced. If a reliable source has written this, the article may quote or paraphrase that source, with attribution and a citation. If this is a wide consensus among scholars of the subject, that may be stated, with appropriate sourcing to demonstrate that it is in fact a widely held view. But a Misplaced Pages article (and its drafter) may not draw such conclusions and state them in Misplaced Pages's voice. The same isuse isa present in all 5 paragraphs startling with "There are elements resembling the Central Character Dynamic in other psychological theories". You need sources that say not just what these other scholars have thought about the human mind and psyche, but that some reputable expert has said that aspects of their theories are similar to aspects of SAT. Otherwise there is no reason to mention them.

I hope these comments are helpful. DES 18:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you DESiegel for your feedback...very much appreciated. I have since resubmitted the article for re-review based on feedback from a LIVE CHAT. If the article comes back with 'not accepted,' I will refer back to your wonderful guidance here as I work to revise the article again. Many thanks for your effort. RobMeagherSAT (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome, RobMeagherSAT. I have edited the draft to separate the note from the citations. Other notes can be added if they are appropriate, using {{efn-ua}}.

You do not have to wait for the next review to make further changes and improvements. The reviewer will take the draft in whatever state it is when he or she gets to it. I have posted a version of my comments to Draft talk:Sacred Attention Therapy, for reference. DES 19:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

sandbox-article wizard

Hello, I've been writing an article for 2 weeks now, but in my personal sandbox. There is something I did'nt understand, what is the difference between the Article Wizard and the sandbox .. If I want a review of my article, should I rewrite it with the Wizard ? If it's ok by he sandbox, will it be deleted if my article is not good. Kushi-tolom (talk) 16:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Kushi-tolom yes its OK to write an article in your sandbox, or any user page although in the Drafts area is preferred. Unless an article has such things as copyright issues, threats, serious BLP issues etc it will not be deleted, just declined with a reason so you can continue to work on it. All the best KylieTastic (talk) 16:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kushi-tolom, I just had a quick look and you really need to add some more references to the lead and first 3 following sections as they have none. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more help on referencing. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 16:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you KylieTastic for your answer :) Kushi-tolom (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kushi-tolom. When you think your draft is ready for review, please edit it to add {{subst:submit}} at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

i just want to ask about something.

can i edit anything? and can i make an article? i just want to ask. Aimispice (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Aimispice, welcome to the Teahouse. The short answers are, yes and yes. The longer answers are: yes, barring certain pages which are protected from editing; and yes, but there are quite a lot of rules regarding what you can write an article about (the simplest version of these is the Golden Rule of Misplaced Pages). If you'd like help editing or writing a new article, please feel free to ask for it; you can get help at any time by adding the code {{helpme}} to your user talkpage and writing your question underneath. Yunshui _水 14:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Review Request for a GA nominee article

Solapur needs a review. Please someone do this. Even if it fails, atleast i would be able to correct the faults stated in the review. I have tried my level best to improve this articleDongar Kathorekar (talk) 11:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Dongar Kathorekar, I don't think the Teahouse is the place to request a GA review, but aside from that, the fact that the article has three "This section does not cite any references or sources" notices means it probably doesn't meet the good article criteria. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thankyou for your reply. I would try to provide sources for the needed ones. Dongar Kathorekar (talk) 12:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

The {{GA nominee}} tag you placed on Talk:Solapur means the article has been listed automatically at Misplaced Pages:Good article nominations; someone will perform a proper GA review eventually. In the meantime, you are more than welcome to try and improve the article further. Please remember that everyone at Misplaced Pages is a volunteer and there are over 500 current article nominations listed at WP:GAN, so it may take a few months before someone looks at Solapur. — Bilorv_(talk) 12:15, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I have an article that I want to write which I have ready to go, but I'm co confused as to where to start.

Hi, I'm new to wikipedia and I want to write an article.

I'm really confused as to where to start, do I start it with the sandbox, sub page, or use an article wizard. How do I get feedback without it getting deleted or have my account blocked.

Thanks EmmaCook2015 (talk) 10:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I really recommend Articles for Creation: you can create a draft, improve it in your own time and then submit the draft to be accepted/rejected (with constructive criticism) by an experienced reviewer. But before you start, try to make sure your topic is notable – if there aren't any independent secondary sources about the subject, even the best writer in the world can't write an article about it fit for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. — Bilorv_(talk) 10:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I would recommend that you also read WP:Your first article. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Food messages

How can I give food related messages in Talkpages as, Some fallafel for you, Some cookies for you? Action Hero (talk) 10:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Action Hero. You can do that by clicking on the red heart that appears at the top of the page when you're on another user's talk page (to the right of "View history"). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

You can also use any of the templates listed at Category:Food WikiLove templates; in most cases, adding the code {{subst:name of template}} to their talkpage will create the appropriate message (e.g. typing {{subst:Cookies}} generates the cookies message). Yunshui _水 10:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

How to put any permanent notice on talk page of an article?

I want to put notice at talk page (below wikiproject shell) for future editors that "do not move this page from XYZ to ABC because of these reasons". So how I should write this? Can someone give me template of that? Thank you. --Human3015  07:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Human3015, I am not aware of any template that sends that particular message. I would advise simply creating a new section on the talk page with a section title such as "Article name" or "Reasons not to move article" and then explain why you think a particular move is not a good idea. This will stay in the history of the talk page forever, and it will stay on the talk page until/unless it is archived, possibly for years if the talk page is not high-traffic. Note that you cannot prevent anyone from making a move, merely explain your reasons for thinking it a bad idea. If other editors develop a consensus to make the move anyway, the page would be moved in spite of your views. But if your reasons are good and persuasive, that probably won't happen. DES 12:22, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

DESiegel, Thanks for your reply and reminder at my talk page. I think I will go by your suggestion. I think section "Reasons not to move article" will be useful. That article doesn't have much traffic on talk page, it is just recently created article by me. Thanks again. --Human3015  17:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Issue is that, I myself moved that page to 2-3 titles when I created it. But finally I came to one conclusion. --Human3015  17:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

question about "insufficient inline citations" notice

This article https://en.wikipedia.org/Augur_%28Prediction_Market%29

has a notice put at the top: "This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (May 2015)"

I notice it's added quite a few references since. Is this notice still valid and, if so, could you identify, for future reference, where the insufficient inline citations are?

Augurpqd (talk) 05:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

You should ask this question on the Talk page of the article. Just click on the "Talk" link at the top of the article page, and carry on your discussion there. You will have to justify all your contributions to Misplaced Pages. It would be better if you were not a WP:Single-purpose account, as you seem to be, but really we are just interested in how well Misplaced Pages articles are written and whether they are WP:Notable in just the way we define that term. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 05:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Augurpqd. There is nothing automatic about notices like that: they are placed there by a human editor, and may be removed by any human editor who thinks that they are no longer appropriate. It does appear to have plenty of inline citations now, so you or anybody may remove the message - but make sure you give a meaningful edit summary, so that your edit doesn't look like vandalism.

I haven't looked at the article in any detail, but I observe that the lead is confusing (at least to me, and probably to many others) because it says "Augur is an open-source decentralized prediction market built utilizing Blockchain technology". In my mind, a market isn't a kind of thing that is capable of being open-source, so I wondered if perhaps Prediction market was a term of art for a software system, but that article does not seem to tell me so. Please remember that Misplaced Pages is for anybody, and the lead needs to give a proper context for the subject, especially if it is something a bit esoteric. --ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I hear you and will clean this up - I think part of the challenge is that the tech is quite novel and making all kinds of things that were previously not thought to be possible, possible (like bitcoin, open-source code that - shared among consenting nodes - currently allows for digital token exchange with the tokens representing currency or, theoretically, anything else consenting parties would want them, or believe them, to represent). Augurpqd (talk) 12:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Augur (software) - disambiguators should be a general as possible.--ukexpat (talk) 12:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Article Creation

I'm try to create a Wiki for a new country artist, but it keeps saying I need references. I have them and they're in the body of the text. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Ryanlukemitchell (talk) 05:14, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have a piece of pie. Creating footnotes takes a knack: Try Misplaced Pages:Citing_sources#Inline_citations for help. Good luck! (And use some of the tips and help info that a kind editor left for you at the top of your draft page at Draft:Dustin_Hensley.) Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on article.

Hello,

I just created an article and I would like input from a more experienced editor. Especially relating to the way the sources are listed. In an attempt to put the citations as close to the correct content as possible, I needed to site a few of the articles twice - is there a more correct way for me to do this? Do you see any other issues with the article that you might be able to offer guidance one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Esemque/Learn_to_Live,_Inc.

Esemque (talk) 23:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

See WP:NAMEDREFS for the references thing. Eman235/talk 00:01, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Esemque. There is a coding technique called "naming references" that allows you to fully define a reference just once, and use it elsewhere in the article with a brief snippet of code. The reference will appear just once in the reference list. All of the details are at WP:REFNAME. I wrote Harry Yount, rated a Good article, that uses one reference 23 times. Now, I will take a closer look at your draft article. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:08, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, Esemque. The sources seem weak. The first two are press releases which do not establish notability as they are generated by the company. Others look like they might have been the product of press releases. I think being one of 70 runners-up for a statewide business development competition is a weak claim to notability. Please review the concept of notability. Cullen Let's discuss it 00:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328 for the feedback. So it sounds like you would not expect this article to be accepted with the current sources - is that right?

I'll keep this in a draft form until I can locate some stronger sources or articles from more 3rd party sources.

Thanks!

Esemque (talk) 00:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Although I am not volunteering as an AfC reviewer at this time, I would not be inclined to accept the article in its current form, Esemque. Cullen Let's discuss it 07:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

suggestion

Hello Teahouse,

may I make a helpful suggestion? perhaps on the WP:GUIDELINES page you may, as there are a lot of categories think about placing some sort of search engine on it. I do see that you have a contents page but it's not very specific, I just feel that a search engine would be more friendlier to newcomers like me. Thanks for taking time to read this--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fruit Nd Nut: You can use the search function to filter out "Misplaced Pages:" only pages: for instance, this search shows pages in the "Misplaced Pages namespace" that contain the word "test"; this is done by ticking/unticking the boxes you want at the top of the page (in this case, only "Misplaced Pages" is ticked). Alternatively, perhaps one of the links in the page's Categories of guidelines sections would help. You might also find something like the Simplified ruleset useful. I do understand your suggestion, and I think it's a reasonable idea, but Misplaced Pages talk:List of guidelines would probably be the best place to discuss something like this if you want to add a search box to Misplaced Pages:List of guidelines. — Bilorv_(talk) 21:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bilorv,

thank-you for your reply and the useful tip you gave me, sorry to ask you in the Teahouse I didn't realise this was not the correct forum to discuss such matters.--Fruit Nd Nut (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Fruit Nd Nut and welcome to Misplaced Pages. No need to apologize for asking your question in the wrong forum because you asked it at the right place. This forum was specifically designed for new users like you and just about any question is appropriate. Bilorv provided some helpful information about how to use the existing search functionality to find what you need, but was then suggesting if used dill would like to propose something formal that there is a better place to carry on that conversation. It wasn't the case that you are being admonished for asking it in the wrong place, you asked at the right place, but there is a better place to pursue it if you wish to pursue it.S Philbrick(Talk) 13:24, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

will I get notification if my page/article is edited? 74.219.14.114 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

will I get notification if my page/article is edited? 74.219.14.114 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

You have already asked this, and it was answered in this section below - Arjayay (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Please don't ask the same question multiple times. First, check whether the question has already been answered. You can also search archives for answers. -- Chamith (talk) 14:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Note also that if anyone wishes to communicate with you they will usually do so via your user talk page. A notification was placed there when your previous question here was answered, and it had a link to the section with the question and the answers. Please, therefore, keep an eye on your user talk page, whether you are editing as an IP or as a registered user. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Puffery

I reverted this edit believing it to be puffery was I correct TeaLover1996 (talk) 12:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Never mind what I just typed- I accidentally read it as 'I was'. It was correct! -Kurousagi 13:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi TeaLover1996 you can refer to the guideline WP:PEACOCK to get a good idea about what we mean by puffery on Misplaced Pages. Cheers! -- Chamith (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

What is Gamergate account?

In Misplaced Pages gamergate is very popular. I read the Gamergate controversy page. It is related to video game harassment. In news and media, i haven't heard much. Even arbitration has gamergate restriction. Which topics come under gamergate? I want to stay away from gamergate topics. Are misogynist users called gamergate? Aero Slicer 09:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The restrictions apply to All edits about, and all pages related to, (a) GamerGate, (b) any gender-related dispute or controversy, (c) people associated with (a) or (b), all broadly construed. As a rule of thumb, if you're not sure whether the restrictions apply to a given article, they probably do. The exact wording of the restrictions is here; although they're written in fairly technical wiki-legalese, they can be summarised as "avoid getting into fights on the subject of sexism or misogyny, even if you feel something is seriously wrong, without discussing it". – iridescent 09:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Likewise, avoid getting into edit-wars about Gamergate, even if you know that you are on the side of right, because Misplaced Pages is not here to right great wrongs. However, you already knew that, so, as Iridescent said, the basic rule is to be very careful in discussions about sexism or mysogyny. That doesn't mean don't edit them, but be very careful that your editing is collaborative and not tendentious or disruptive. ArbCom Discretionary Sanctions are not meant to prevent editing. They are meant to provide a quicker mechanism for sanctions against editors who edit disruptively; that is, they make it easier to punish bad editing, and are not intended to discourage collaborative editing. Editing anywhere should be collaborative. Just don't try to push against consensus. The problem in GamerGate is that consensus is elusive and there are editors who are determined (sometimes with a great deal of off-wiki discussion) to push minority POVs. I hope that this clarifies. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Publishing first story

Hi there,

I've uploaded my first piece to wikipedia but when I use the search bar I don't find it. Haven't been able to move it to main content yet, so the title is still my username.

Signed up on Monday, so must I just wait or is there something else that I need to do to make the piece more visible/searchable?

thank you. Jebblz (talk) 09:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Jebblz, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suspect you are talking about the article you have tried to create on your user page User:Jebblz. I have moved it to Draft:Walter Baetz, as this is a better place for a draft article. Your user page is for you to post a little information about you as a Misplaced Pages editor, if you choose. Don't worry too much about searching for things you create: you can always find your contributions by the "Contributions" link at the top of the page.

Please read referencing for beginners about how we do references in Misplaced Pages articles: you don't need to number them yourself, you just put all the bibliographic data (title, author, date etc as well as URL) between <ref> and </ref>, and the software will format them, number them, and insert the footnote tags. Please note that almost all the information in an article, especially one on a living person, must be cited to reliable published sources independent of the subject. You will probably find the information in your first article useful as well. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 09:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Colin.

That makes so much more sense. One thing though: You've changed the surname in Draft from Baets to Baetz... Could you please remedy that, or explain to me how?

Really appreciate this...Jebblz (talk) 09:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jebblz: I've fixed this for you. Moving a page requires an autoconfirmed account (one with 10 edits and 4 days since registering), so you wouldn't have had the technical ability to fix the title yet. But for future reference (when you reach autoconfirmed) there should be a "More" button at the top-right of your screen (next to Read, Edit, View history), and when you hover over it you can click "Move" to change the title of a page.

I've also made some very quick changes to the headings of your draft; the most important thing is that the first part of the article (the "lead") shouldn't have a section heading. — Bilorv_(talk) 10:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Jebblz! For helping you along with the references there is also the User:Yunshui/References for beginners. Happy editing! w.carter-Talk 14:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of cleaning up the formatting including the references.--ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

You people are amazing and so generous. Thank you. Jebblz (talk) 15:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, Jebblz, you asked about searching. I'm not sure if you meant the Misplaced Pages internal search, or an external search such as Google or Yahoo. External search engines are asked not to index the Draft: namespace, nor most User: pages. All the major ones comply, so none of them should index any draft articles. Misplaced Pages's internal search will not find drafts from the search bar unless the proper namespace ("Draft:" or "User:" is supplied as part of the query, I think. DES 21:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, Jebblz, I just looked at Draft:Walter Baets. I think its current biggest problem is that it has pretty much no citations to independent sources, which are needed to clearly establish the notability of the topic.. The current sources are:

1. A members directory. Not independent, and not substantial coverage even if it were.
2. A Who's who entry. Generally not considered independent or reliable, as the subject pays for the insertion. And even if it were independant, in this case there is no substantial content to establish notability.
3. An interview. As interviews are primarily in the subject's own words, and so do not contriubute to notability. In this case the interviewwer says a bit more, but still this doesn't help much.
4. A profile from a group that gave Baets an award. This might be useful, but it looks very much as if this was copied from Baets's resume or public Bio. If so, it doesn't help with notability at all.
5. An entry in a faculty directory. The same issues as #1 above.
6. A paper written by Baets. Does nothign toward notability.
7. A listing for his book from a book vendor. No substantial content, and not independent.

What is needed is a few news stories or other reliable, independent sources that discuss Baets in some detail. DES 21:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Personal Contact Information on user page

Hi, Can editors have the personal contact information on the user page (like phone numbers). I found this at one of the user page of a new editor. Thanks! Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Generally it's a very bad idea. Misplaced Pages gets regularly crawled by spambots looking to pick up contact details (primarily emails, but phone numbers are targets as well). Misplaced Pages isn't a social network; there's really no conceivable reason to post your telephone number or other contact details here. Email contact can be made via the Misplaced Pages email function, for discussion of any topic that's not suited to being brought up in a public forum. In many cases, especially if the user appears to be a minor, we will suppress such information. What's the userpage in question? Yunshui _水 08:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Yes, I too thought of the same that its not a social network platform. The page in question is this : User:Arslan Naseer. Well when you take the appropriate action, please do let me know of the policy related to this. Will be helpful in future. Thanks Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I've hidden the relevant diffs. See Misplaced Pages:User_pages#Personal_and_privacy-breaching_material, WP:USERBIO and the oversight policy. Yunshui _水 08:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

• @Yunshui: Thank you...Got it! Peppy Paneer (talk) 09:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Peppy Paneer: If you come across a new user who seems to be a minor, it is also useful to post a kind message on their talk page inviting them to read Misplaced Pages:Guidance for younger editors. Even if the WP is a rather safe site, it is still the Internet. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 09:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

• @W.carter: Ok :) Thank you...sure! Peppy Paneer (talk) 14:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

CSD A7 criteria

Just wondering- is a general CSD A7 enough for a book with questionable notability? -Kurousagi 05:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Obviously not. WP:A7 says very clearly "This criterion applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people, organizations, and individual animals themselves, not to articles about their books, albums, software, or other creative works." Note also that A7 doesn't refer to "questionable notability"; it is for articles (on the relevant subject) that make no credible claim of significance or importance. - David Biddulph (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

how can i make a draft into an actual article

I am having trouble getting the word "Draft" out of my tile of my articleZJ12345 (talk) 03:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello ZJ12345, welcome to the Teahouse! My advice would be to give our "your first article" tutorial a read through. The key points to remember are that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, and as a result, there are many things we are not; for example, Misplaced Pages is not vehicle for advertising or promotion. We also have three "core content policies": Misplaced Pages articles should be 1) verifiable, meaning that readers should be able to check to make sure what's being said in the article is true; 2) written from a neutral point of view, which means explaining all viewpoints clearly and without bias (as opposed to taking up a particular viewpoint); and 3) contain no original research, which means that we write about things that other people have said about at topic, not the interpretations of Misplaced Pages editors.

Once you feel you understand the purpose of Misplaced Pages, I recommend going through the Article Wizard, which will help you decide whether a topic you want to write about is suitable for Misplaced Pages. If you have already written a draft and feel it is in line with our goals as an encyclopedia, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page, and it will then be reviewed by an experienced editor to decide whether it is suitable or not. It is important that you keep the foregoing principles in mind as you edit and create new articles, as articles that are found to be unsuitable are often deleted. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask here. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 03:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

It seems that your draft was deleted for being promotional in tone. Don't worry! Just see the remark that the deleter made, then create another draft and try not to trip any of the filters in WP:CSD. -Kurousagi 05:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

ZJ12345 to get your deleted draft back, follow the procedure at WP:REFUND. This will only work if your draft was not obviously advertising or a copyright violation.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Where to get feedback about notability before creating/translating an article?

Subject: Bernadotte Perin (1847-1920), an American ancient philologist. After a successful academic career, he translated Plutarch's Lives for the Loeb Classical Library. There are enough reliable sources to write a short yet decent bio article on him (see German wikipedia entry here: https://de.wikipedia.org/Bernadotte_Perrin), and his works are widely available until today.

I think his contributions are significant enough to warrant notability, but I don't want to waste time on writing an article which is likely to get rejected. If this is not the right place to ask such a question, please redirect me to a better one, thanks. Rh73 (talk) 22:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

If the person's already written about in another language Misplaced Pages and it hasn't been deleted I'm sure he's notable :) -Kurousagi 00:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dakarias: Not only do many other language Wikipedias have lower standards than we do, such that articles that have actually been assessed and accepted there would not be allowed here (I'd note though that the German Misplaced Pages in particular maintains high standards compared to many), but we have thousands of articles here on non-notable subjects that just haven't been deleted yet. The same is true of other language Wikipedias.

Hey Rh73. That article has no inline citations, which is something you would need to remedy in a translation. I've just had a look for sources and I think an article can be sustained. As with many people who were prolific in books, it can be difficult to search because there's so many mentions of him as translator, rather than things that are about him. Anyway, since I took a look I might as well post a few sources I noted along the way that might be of use: , , , , . Don't forget to comply with mandatory copyright attribution, when you post the translation. By the way, the citation tool for Google Books might be useful here. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I actually had no idea about that. Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit. -Kurousagi 01:02, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Anytime. It's an unfortunate fact. Just click random article 100 times, count the number of article you see of pretty questionable notability; found two? that's 2% of 4,936,301 articles = almost 100,000.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Are editor patrollers assigned to specific nubes, such as myself. Can a different reviewer be requested?

Actually, the summary says it all. I'm new to Misplaced Pages, but by no means new to writing, both professionally and academically. I wonder why the same editor/patroller keeps coming back to each new iteration of my first article. Is that usual? My article has been rejected twice with no further comment than "use footnotes," which, of course, I have. I've read a lot from Misplaced Pages on what standards for references should be and I agree with them and believe I've followed them. I think the patroller, himself, may be the issue. Can I request the opinion and or assistance of another? Thanks. Rmark1030 (talk) 22:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

No, patrollers are not assigned to people- that person may simply be online more than others. -Kurousagi 00:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

A quick glance at your draft shows me that you have indeed used footnotes very nicely. I believe the issue the reviewers have is that there are not enough of them, or not near facts that need special verification. For more details, you can contact one of the reviewers to maybe tag places they would like to see footnotes. About the same editors coming repeatedly to the same pages, that probably just means they have it on their watchlist. It is pretty typical. Anyways, happy editing! Happy Squirrel (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

How do I upload a logo

Hello,

I recently submitted the page Yottaa, Inc and it got rejected- I am in process of fixing it, but wanted to thank you for your feedback.

I tried to upload my company's logo last night but it said I didnt have enough credibility to upload, then I tried to do so through the upload files section but I couldn't figure it out. Is there a best practice for uploading company logo's as a new editor?

Thank you! Hayleyhudson717 (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about the logo yet. Concentrate on getting the draft into shape. The logo can be uploaded and added later, if the article is accepted.--ukexpat (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Sources of notoriety for language software

Hi,

I'd like to ask for some help on how to improve an article I've been working on. Here's a link to my draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:InqScribe

I’ve tried to comply with the Golden Rule (“significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic”) by citing relevant published sources. How else can I establish notability? Are there any issues with the sources I’m currently citing? By citing published resources, including an academic review of notable transcription tools, I believed I was following Misplaced Pages's citation guidelines.

Before creating the article, I looked at some similar language software entries like MacSpeech Scribe (http://en.wikipedia.org/MacSpeech_Scribe), VoxSigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/VoxSigma), and Transana (http://en.wikipedia.org/Transana). I’d like to document InqScribe alongside these similar language tools. Thanks in advance for your help!2601:240:CA02:AB00:2034:3EC2:3305:8988 (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC) (For reference: Draft:InqScribe (edit | ] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views))

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at the citations currently provided: the Garde cite is top-notch, and should be almost enough on its own. The Strong & Wilder reference I can't asses, because the part of the book cited does not seem to be online. However the small snippet that is online looks good. Paulus et al also looks good. Part of the problem here is that for once, the sources say more than the article does -- all too often new editors try to say more than the sources support. Add additional facts clearly supported by the sources. Of course the cites to nqscribe.com do nothign for notability. A few additional sources of even close to similar quality and expanding the article text should do the trick, IMO. DES 22:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm getting a header notice that the page needed copy edited...

I updated the Photographic film page the best I could with what little experience I have here, and checked the spelling, and looks okay to me. I think the problem is having to use web links in my lists of manufactures and resources that are outside Wiki? How should I edit this page to make it conform to MoS and still have the links in the lists?Xo-whiplock (talk) 19:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

What you are seeing is an article maintainence template. It is not automated at all, someone added it to the article at some point because they believed it needed fixing. If you don't see any more problems, you are free to simply remove it. (it's the little bit of code right at the top that looks like this in the edit window {{copyedit}}) Beeblebrox (talk) 19:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, I posted this question and now someone removed my intro paragraph explaining the current state of film??? Who did this and why???Xo-whiplock (talk) 19:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to report https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Theroadislong as doing the edit to Photographic film wiki and removed an entire paragraph that presents the current state of photographic film as of 2015. It is not a "personal essay" as he stated for the reason of his deletion of my work without talking to me first, it was simply to remove anything positive said about photographic film. I will not be drawn into an editing war with this person. Is there someone I can contact to protect my interest and prevent vandalism of the page I'm working on?Xo-whiplock (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Your edit removed the lede section and replaced it with a personal reflection on the current state of photographic film in 2015 and entirely unencyclopedic content including …”Branding is fundamental. Branding is basic. Branding is essential. Building brands builds incredible value for companies and corporations." What on earth is that about? Theroadislong (talk) 20:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Please don't describe the edits by User:Theroadislong as vandalism. He understands Misplaced Pages's processes and conventions, and you haven't learned them yet. If the additional section is required at all, it certainly shouldn't be before the lede. The other point which was being made by another editor is that it is not permitted to scatter external links in the article text. You were given a number of useful links on your user talk page a week or so ago, so please take the trouble to read them. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Will do. I accept the edits now and understand better what's going on. I moved my addition of the current state of photographic film under == Currently (2015) == and removed the cited quote about branding. I placed this info just above == History ==. I'll work on changing the outside links in my lists. What's the best way to state these manufactures that don't have Wiki pages and still have the link? Type the name and add a citation number? or is there another formula to use?Xo-whiplock (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

A rule of thumb (not absolute policy, but will keep you out of most trouble) is to prioritize items with articles in lists. This helps limit lists to the most notable elements and avoid endless lists which are hard to read. If none of the things you want to list have articles 1)ask yourself if the list is useful to readers of the articles 2)ask yourself if the list is encyclopedic 3)list no more than half a dozen to start with, each with a reference, not to the company website, but an independent source showing the relevance of the item in the list. Hope that helps! Happy Squirrel (talk) 22:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

The article is woefully lacking sources in the really important sections so I have added some section maintenance templates.--ukexpat (talk) 02:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

deactivate account

please could you deactivate this account for me. Thanks. --Dominoooo's (talk) 19:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

(replied on user's talk page, directing them to WP:RTV Beeblebrox (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC))

Sandbox document

Why is there a redirect in my Sandbox? Should not my document which I submitted be returned to my sandbox? Will my document from my Sandbox eventually be deleted? I'm afraid of losing the work which I already did. I am under wikipedia user: thedistinguishedlunatic

Here is the message I received:

   Draft:John Homenko

   This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed). This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name. For more information follow the category link. Thedistinguishedlunatic (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Thedistinguishedlunatic/sandbox now redirects to Draft:John Homenko because MatthewVanitas moved it there. It's fine in the draft namespace; that's preferred for drafts, which is why it was moved. Eman235/talk 17:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I have changed the redirect at User:Thedistinguishedlunatic/sandbox to a simple link. If you wish to you can blank the sandbox page, or reuse it for whatever you want to use it for. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

wiki

Hi! I am trying to have a Misplaced Pages page about the company I work for. Is that something allowed? I am focusing on the history as it's quite a long-established one and products but keeping objective. Do you have tips to get it published? Thank you (Moderngentleman80 (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your commitment to doing things properly. You have what we call a conflict of interest, and the best idea would be to go through the Articles for creation process. This will make sure your article is reviewed by a more experienced editor before posting. The most important thing is to make sure your article is based on independent reliable source. Ie, what people unrelated to the company have said in trustworthy places. If there are no such sources, the company is probably not notable enough and it is not possible to write an article on them. Neutrality is also important, but you know that. Best of luck! Happy Squirrel (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

You need to read about conflict of interest, as well as about notability, and particularly about notability for companies. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

my article

hi teahouse, I have created an article titled Hope rescue (dogs charity) please could you tell me the copy right issue, I think it may be the part titled core values. I don't however see how this is copyright when it is a company's core value that I am writing about.--Dominoooo's (talk) 13:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

If you copied and pasted content from a webpage (as CorenSearchBot indicates) it is copyvio unless the site explicitly states it uses a license that allows reuse. -Kurousagi 14:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello. When quoting material, it is crucial to make it clear that is what you are doing with quotation marks and an inline reference. Also, long quotations must satisfy fair use criteria. For that section, I would summarize by writing a few sentences about their core values, particularly any that might be different from other places. This is probably more informative to readers. No need to copy the whole thing!

However, there is a more serious problem with the article. The whole thing is in a very promotional tone. I understand this is a charity that does good work and you care about them, but articles have to be written from a neutral point of view, based on what people not related to the charity have written.

The first thing to do is definitely to fix the copyright issue by seriously summarizing, in your own words, the section. However, once you have done that, you really need to clean up the tone of the article. If you find you are too emotionally attached to the subject, moving the article to draft space and going through Articles for Creation may be a better option. Best of luck. Happy Squirrel (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be a very common misunderstanding that copying material from an organization's web site into an article is permitted, especially if the author is associated with the organization and has its permission. If the author is not associated with the organization, there is a simple copyright violation. There is also the fact that the copied material is probably too promotional. If the author is associated with the company and has its permission, there are tree problems. The first is a more subtle copyright violation, which is the nature of the permission, because permission to copy to Misplaced Pages is not sufficient, because we require a copyleft that permits reuse from Misplaced Pages. The second is that, in that case, the author has a conflict of interest for the entire article. The third is that the copied material is probably too promotional. (If the amount of promotional material is small, we can probably use it within quotes in the voice of the organization.) Robert McClenon (talk) 14:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

thanks Happy Squirrel, I will go back and try and make the changes you suggested, that's a lot of things to change though of changes to have to do but I'll try. thanks for the useful information though happy squirrel it was very helpful--Dominoooo's (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you, user sandboxes are not exempt from copyright restrictions, so that will have to go too. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Just to clarify, my advice was to fix the copyvio first, and then userfy. The other way around is not particularly useful, I agree. Happy Squirrel (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I need to remove a redirect by cannot find it on the parent page

I'm trying to get my article approved, but there's a redirect in place. I've tried following the instructions on the Wiki Redirect page and remove the on the parent page, but there isn't one.

An editor who's approving my page said I may need administrative action to remove the redirect so that the article can be added. Cbdig (talk) 13:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Which page is it exactly? -Kurousagi 13:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, found it- but isn't the actual request declined? -Kurousagi 13:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, just removed the redirect. If you get your article approved you're welcome to move it there. -Kurousagi 13:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I believe that you'll find that, as the original question said, it would need an administrator to remove the existing page to allow the draft to be moved into its place. A cut-and-paste move would not be permitted, as that would lose the attribution. The existing redirect shouldn't be replaced by a blank page. Unless & until the new draft gets approved, the redirect is the sensible content for that page. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Can I add a link to my personal blog as an external link to related article?

Hello editors, Is it ok if I add mentioned reference link to the article - https://en.wikipedia.org/Parshuram_Temple? That is a link from my personal blog. sharadatanay.blogspot.com/2011/01/gods-own-village-parshuram.html Sharadatanay (talk) 12:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Sharadatanay, sorry but no - a personal blog is not a reliable source - See WP:USERGENERATED - Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Also see WP:Reliable. -Kurousagi 13:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I created an article but now I cannot find it anywhere.

I created an article today, previewed it and made extra sure I saved it a few times, but now I cannot find it under "contributions" or anywhere on my page. Did the draft not get saved somewhere? Thank you!Margot Slabbert (talk) 11:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Margot Slabbert, but South African Rooibos Council has never existed on this wiki, nor has Draft:South African Rooibos Council. DES 11:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the prompt response. I will create the article from scratch again now, but how do I make sure that this does not happen again?Margot Slabbert (talk) 12:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

A good option is to make it as a subpage of your userpage- such as User:Margot Slabbert/South African Rooibos Council. -Kurousagi 13:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Margot Slabbert your edit history shows you made no edits prior to posting here - so maybe you were not logged in at the time. If you find your IP address by using http://whatismyipaddress.com and then enter that IP address in the User field at Special:Contributions and search then you'll be able to see if this was the issue and find your edits. Another option that has happened to other users is they had links to other Wikis and had edited on another site. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
• Hi Margot Slabbert. Some new users click "Show preview" instead of "Save page", or after clicking "Save page" they overlook or ignore a message saying the page could not be saved for some reason. For example, new users like you will be asked to fill out a CAPTCHA when saving external links. You can keep a copy in your browser or another program like a text editor until you have checked the edit shows up at Contributions or the "View history" tab of the page. After a little experience you will probably learn what a saved edit looks like and not have to make such checks, but for time-consuming edits it can still be good to keep a copy in a text editor if something goes wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Margot Slabbert: If you click "filter log" at the top of Special:Contributions/Margot Slabbert then you can find a "details" link to an edit you tried to save an hour before posting here. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Writing in a more formal tone

Hi,

My draft submission of the article 'SMU School of Accountancy' just got rejected. I'm really new to this so I'm wondering if anyone can help tell me how to use a more formal tone for this article or give me any other suggestions on how to improve my article?RachR310 (talk) 10:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Depends on what you call 'formal'. The types of formal I can think of are a neutral point of view and no slang/etc. -Kurousagi 11:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Having had a quick look at Draft:SMU School of Accountancy, the problem doesn't appear to be a lack of formality, but rather a promotional tone. Take the following sentence, for instance: "Students pursuing a Bachelor of Accountancy will be exposed to a seminar-style approach to teaching". That could be plucked straight out of the school's prospectus. The article needs to be rewritten in a neutral tone, based on secondary sources. I suggest having a read of WP:NPOV, RachR310, which is a page explaining Misplaced Pages's policies about neutrality. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Featured picture and Printscreen

If I click a picture with my own camera and upload it, can it be turned into a featured picture?

Is it allowed to take printscreen of a Youtube video and then uploading in Misplaced Pages with low resolution: using it only for infobox of an article? Aero Slicer 07:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hrm- I don't think the screenshotting would be allowed if the video was created by the uploader OR the original video that the uploader took from is non-commercial/use with permission/etc.

Not sure about that camera thing, though. -Kurousagi 09:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Check this screenshot --Aero Slicer 10:04, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

That screen shot is used under the very restrictive Fair Use criteria. Whilst Misplaced Pages can, in some instances, use copyrighted content in this way, the non-free images policy is extremely strict. Unless you have a good understanding of fair use and can justify your use of a screenshot under the criteria, you are likely to be infringing copyright if you upload such an image to Misplaced Pages. Yunshui _水 10:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Aero Slicer you can't de-copyright something by taking a picture of it or screenshoting it - the original copyright status still stands. So just as in the attached case it would require a valid Non-free use rationale and can only be used on the one stated article. As such If the source was copyrighted then I can't see how it could be a "featured picture" as that would then be using it in more than one article. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 10:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

There were two questions together, i should have given some extra details. If i click HD pictures of food items, birds, insects, plants, mountains, not copyrighted things- then can it become featured picture? Most featured pictures are snapshots of old paintings. Aero Slicer 10:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to address the FP bit. Featured Pictures can be of just about anything, as long as they meet the Featured picture criteria. Assuming your images do so, there's no reason they can't be put in for FP. Yunshui _水 10:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

• (ec) Hi Aero Slicer, thanks for asking about featured pictures. Speaking as someone with a fair bit of experience in the area, I'd say that you are certainly welcome to nominate any pictures you take at WP:FPC. Before doing so, however, please note that there are certain criteria that have to be met. To see how those criteria are applied in practice, feel free to have a look at the current batch of nominations or the archive of previous nominations. I've found that technical standards can be very difficult—and often very expensive—to meet; mere "snapshots", especially those from camera phones and smaller pocket cameras, will have difficulty in the candidacy process. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Helpppp!!!

I feel like an administrator just wronged me by revoking my early confirmation with me doing nothing wrong. Please Help! TheEditorOfAllThingsWikipedia (talk) 06:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Theeditorofallthingswikipedia. I recommend that you concentrate on learning our policies and guidelines, and on improving the encyclopedia. I also suggest that you read the essay Misplaced Pages:Hat collecting. You do not need advanced user rights in order to be a useful editor, and appearing too eager to gain such rights is not a good idea. Take things slow and steady. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

How do I add an image?

Howdy fellows! Do anyone know how to add an image from URL or upload? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEGOlord208 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, you have to sign onto wikipedia commons, the link is towards the bottom of the wikipedia home page. Then look for the button or tab or something to upload a picture from there. The account used on there is the same as wikipedia. Then once you upload/publish a picture, it will have a title at title at the top. It should look like File:ImageHere.png then put two brackets directly on each side of the text facing inwards and the picture should show up. Of course put the real image name in the brackets. TheEditorOfAllThingsWikipedia (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

That's technically correct, but the picture has to be free. Non-free content isn't allowed except in certain situations. Eman235/talk 15:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

copyright status

I've put images of Wikimedia Commons but am unable to find copyrights to them, what do I do please.--Dominoooo's (talk) 05:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Dominoooo's. Wikimedia Commons is a separate project, but I went over there and saw that you uploaded some photos of dogs which seem to be from an animal rescue website. Those photos are marked to be deleted unless you can show that you have the right to license them freely. Did you take the photos? What do you know about their copyright status? The website they came from is marked with the copyright symbol. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

fixing a mistake

so I am an actor and I see that my parts have been attributed to someone else (we share the same name eric trautmann ) he is a comic book writer and I am a realtor and actor. I have tried to fix them but to do so I have to create a wiki article about myself and I tried then realized you are not supposed to. I am lost I don't know how to fix it any suggestions or anyone who likes fixing these things is greatly appreciated! Thanks Bige11378 (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey Eric. Since the article on the comic book artist does not mention any acting roles, I am assuming the issue is that there are certain articles that include mentions of you, and the name is being linked to the existing article on Eric Trautmann. You can see all such links by invoking the "what links here" feature of the interface, while at the comic book creator's article (link) I am going to see if I can clear up the issue using that link. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Following-up, I only found one link in an article to you and not the comic book creator, in Alpha House. It no longer links at all. (There is a way it could be linked to a non-existent article, but I don't think that's proper here.) Was that the issue or was it something else and if it was the issue, did I miss any other links that point to the existing article that are actually about you?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I have replied to some of Eric's further concerns at the Articles for Creation help page. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

AutoEd

I have just started using AutoEd and on some articles it has an automatic edit summary, but not on others, even when it changes stuff. Is this a problem? Thanks, Rubbish computer 06:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Which edit summaries aren't provided? I can take a look into the code for the said function. Dakar
_{stuff done} 10:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dakarias: The general cleaning up with AutoEd. Rubbish computer 10:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hrm- after installing the code in either your skin.js or common.js what exactly did you do? AutoEd's auto edit summary function certainly seems to work as it should. Dakar
_{stuff done} 10:55, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dakarias: I put on the simple version first, then backspaced it and put on the full one in its place. Rubbish computer 11:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Try using a diff browser. That will (hopefully) fix the issue. Dakar
_{stuff done} 11:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dakarias: Sorry I don't know how to do that. I also am unsure as to whether I am using it properly by using it on random articles. Rubbish computer 18:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

What browsers do you have? If you use Windows, you probably have both Chrome and Explorer. Try logging into Misplaced Pages with the one you aren't using currently and see if it works. Another solution might be to completely delete your browser's cache. Dakar
_{stuff done} 00:27, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

This happens to me too, on IE11 (I haven't tried it on different browsers). You might want to post this at WT:AutoEd. A sort-of workaround would be to add

importScript('User:Equazcion/CustomSummaryPresets.js');
 var customsum1 = "Cleaned up using ]";

To your common.js. This is Equazcion's custom edit summaries script and will put that summary in a dropdown box for you to select if necessary. Eman235/talk 03:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dakarias: @Eman325: Thank you. Rubbish computer 12:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Anti-vandalism action request

An editor is adding a promotional(private) site's external link to AIPMT again and again, even when I've told him to stop his addition. I want him to be blocked from editing if he does it once again. Can anybody ( even an admin on wikipedia) help me please? If you want to help me, please contact me on my talk page. Thank you. Red Pen (talk) 06:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

This is that editor's talk page. He seems to have had made such problematic edits earlier also. User_talk:Pranjan21 Red Pen (talk)

Misplaced Pages:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism might be the solution to your case. Dakar
_{stuff done} 10:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Pranjan21, and welcome to the Teahouse. On Misplaced Pages, 5 warnings are usually given for advertising, as for other nonconstructive edits. In this case you would write as follows:

(on the 1st time, a general note, assuming WP:GOODFAITH): {{subst:uw-advert1|Article}} ~~~~

(on the 2nd time, a caution, with no assumption of faith) {{subst:uw-advert2|Article}} ~~~~

(on the 3rd time, assuming they are deliberately vandalising, warning them about being blocked) {{subst:uw-advert3|Article}} ~~~~

(on the 4th time) {{subst:uw-advert4|Article}} ~~~~

(on the 5th time) {{subst:uw-advert4im|Article}} ~~~~

If they stop before you have given all 5 warnings then you need not worry. If they continue to do so after you have given them all 5 warnings, between edits, you may report them to WP:Administrator intervention against vandalism, so that they can be blocked by an administrator.

A more extensive list of warning templates can be found here.

I hope this helps. Regards, --Rubbish computer 10:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I changed it to Red Pen as it seems you mistook the vandal for the user who asked the question. Dakar
_{stuff done} 11:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Just a small correction to the above - uw-4im warnings are not a "fifth level" of warning, but an immediate escalation to level 4 (for intances of particularly egregious vandalism, or if the user hasn't been previously warned but has made a number of inappropriate edits). After a level 4 warning (either uw-4 or uw-4im) the next step is WP:AIV. Yunshui _水 11:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Having now looked at User:Pranjan21, I see they have stopped adding promotional links after your last warning to them. If they start again, an AIV report might be appropriate, but for now, a block is unwarranted. Yunshui _水 11:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

There is a myth that vandalism warnings have to be escalated through 4 or 5 levels. They do not. Reporters should exercise judgment in what level of warning to issue. While warnings can be escalated through 4 levels, depending on how obvious it is that the edits are vandalism and how blatant and serious the vandalism is, the warnings can be escalated skipping steps. Reporters should also use judgment in deciding how many warnings are needed to report to WP:AIV. In particular, if the edit history shows that the address or account is vandalism-only, it should be reported if the vandalism continues after one warning. If the edit history shows that the edits are largely vandalism, it is worth reporting. Administrators will exercise judgment in deciding whether to block an address or account for vandalism, but will almost always act if the account is vandalism-only or the address is primarily vandalism. (If the address is a shared IP address, then any good-faith users can create accounts.) So you do not need to escalate a vandalism warning through 4 levels, and administrators will not require that warnings be escalated through 4 levels. Go ahead and warn, and if the vandalism continues after a level 2 through level 4, use judgment as to whether to report. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you to everybody for his/her guidance :) Red Pen (talk) 05:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia-remove information?

Hi, Recently I uploaded my first picture on Wikimedia, but I accidently clicked on 'More information' and now everyone can see which camera I used to take the picture which is something I didn't want. Is there a possibility of removing it? The Count of ZielinThe Count of Zielin (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello The Count of Zielin. Most modern digital cameras embed what's called Exif data in the JPEG files that includes details about the camera and the picture. It is possible to edit this data using certain tools—see commons:Commons:Exif#Editing Exif fields for more information. I believe you can edit the Exif tags of a file on your computer to how you want it, then re-upload the file to the Wikimedia Commons. Once this is done, ask a Commons administrator to delete the old file. Additionally, if you ask this question at the Commons help desk, you may receive a more well-informed answer. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@The Count of Zielin: Yes, the metadata has not become visible because you clicked something. It is part of the file and automatically displayed by our software. If it wasn't displayed on the file page then anyone could still display it with their own software. That applies anywhere you make the digital photo available to others. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, The Count of Zielin. You are, of course, entirely entitled to your feelings on this issue. But I am curious why you want to conceal which type of camera you used for a freely licensed photo? I have written several biographies of notable photographers, and in my experience, most of those photographers happily disclose which equipment they used, and often discuss the pros and cons of their cameras in great detail. What are your thoughts on this? Cullen Let's discuss it 06:28, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for all your kind answers! Thanks also for your clue, Cullen. I didn't consider that. You know, I live in Central Europe and people there (including me) prefer to keep much personal information (such as which mobile phone model you use or what your real name is) private (when it comes to internet issues). I'll now think about what I'm going to do with this information. Greetings, The Count of Zielin (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Cullen328 given the case of User:The Photographer (who is now in exile) we need to accommodate reasonable requests of anonymity. we need to think about a strip EXIF option on upload. (yes it is that serious) Duckduckstop (talk) 19:29, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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