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MasterEagle

RuneScape Items - That was not taken without permission as I know the owner, and it was originally released by many people and many identical copies are available off many sites.

If you like I could output my own list off a XML file I have of the list - however it would end up being identical as there is not multiple lists, only ways of formatting etc.

MasterEagle 2

Yes, request for deletion would be nice.

Also, RuneScape Private Servers is a widely used topic, and there are many active communities out there. Private Servers are in no way affailiated with Jagex, so no I am not affiliated with RuneScape. They are seperate things.

--MasterEagle 06:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Pachinko

Hi Chris,

Just wanted to let you know that I may be using your Pachinko pic in a project I am working on.

Thanks,

Lisa

WikiChrisi

Hello Chris,

I ran across your fine Nautilus Cutaway, and was glad also to find that you allow its use under the Creative Commons license. I have written a simple web page entitled The Divine Proportion and Mathematics of the Chambered Nautilus, where I review the Mathematics of the Fibonacci Spiral, in connection with the shape of the Chambered Nautilus.

Gracias, Chris

Parkinson's disease

Hi chris, one of the pictures you kindly uploaded to the PD page is no longer functioning, I think it's up for deletion. Could you check out when you have a free second? Thanks --PaulWicks 08:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

General Tojo on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hi Chris,

I've opened up a case file on General Tojo at WP:ANI#General_Tojo. Feel free to comment there and hopefully we'll all get some relief from his attacks.

--  Netsnipe    18:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Voting on Tsushima Basin

Hello Chris, I would like to ask you one thing. Why did you permit to change the result of voting to "no consensus"? I was really surprised. Or, was it the vandalism by user:dollarfifty?

--Questionfromjapan 11:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Missed that. I just reverted the notice. Thanks -- Chris 73 | Talk 13:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Chris. --Questionfromjapan 14:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Erika Steinbach

Perhaps you could take a look at Erika Steinbach and participate in our discussion on the article? Donnog 19:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

General Tojo on WP:LTA

I've added a section on General Tojo on Long term abuse at Misplaced Pages:Long_term_abuse#General_Tojo. Please feel free to expand/update this information if necessary. 19:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris 73. One of GT's sockpuppets left this message at the category page listing the sockpuppets:

All the folowing are correct, except for MedicalBall and Johnson MD . There are many more SP's that you've missed. General Tojo

I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done in response, so I'm leaving this in your capable admin. hands. Cheers. -Fsotrain09 02:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

My hovercraft is full of eels

Hi Chris,

I do know that he is a General Tojo sock puppet, but he did make an edit to Parkinson's Disease which was NOT disruptive to the article. Unless a more medically knowledgeable editor discredits the edit or the account vandalises or attacks anyone else then I see no reason why this account too should be preemptively banned.

Please read User_talk:Jfdwolff#You.27re_ignorant_about_Parkinson.27s_Disease. This is probably the last chance we might have to see once and for all whether Tojo is willing to reform.

Cheers,  Netsnipe    13:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppet of User:General Tojo

User:Profsnow has expressed concern that Prof Johnson (talk · contribs) is a sockpuppet of User:General Tojo. You may wish to investigate, as User:Profsnow does not have confidence that he can be stopped. Disheartened editors are not prolific and bold editors! - CobaltBlueTony 20:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey that was quick! Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony 20:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome. You're quick, too -- Chris 73 | Talk 20:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Last 10 minutes of work is Wikitime! ;-) - CobaltBlueTony 21:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - A quick thank you. I had the misfortune to come under User:General Tojo's special attention with a spat of sockpuppet attacks. David Ruben 18:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblock/Reblock of User:Prof Johnson

You unblocked this user to reblock, then blocked admin User:Petros471 with summary "Possible General Tojo sock, only vandalism from this user", I assume this was a mistake and you intended to block User:Prof Johnson? I've unblocked User:Petros471 and blocked User:Prof Johnson. Hope this is ok. --pgk 20:58, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

D'oh!. Yes, thanks for fixing that. -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to say I was at first confused by your message (as I just thought you were trying to tell me you'd extended one of my blocks (which was fine). Now I've read the above it all makes sense! Wow, my first block... Pitty I didn't get to see the block message to get the full experience (no I don't want to try it out just for that ;) Cheers, Petros471 21:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Throughbred racing project

A number of Wikipedians have come together and formed the WikiProject Throughbred racing to help to expand and better organise information in articles and categories related to the sport of thoroughbred racing. As a past contributor to horse racing articles, we invite you to consider becoming a participant in the project, and/or adding the page to your watchlist so that you become aware, and can join any future horse racing discussions, which may be of interest to you. Regards - Cuddy Wifter 02:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Shallow water blackout photo

Whilst it's showing as uploaded by me, Image:SWB3 temp.jpg was originally taken by User:Ex nihil - I reuploaded it because I had to delete an early revision of the image page (long story). I believe it's staged, but you'd be best off asking him to confirm. Shimgray | talk | 12:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

11 March 2004 Madrid train bombings

Hi, Chris...you gave a "last warning" to 88.0.116.131 ...and he/she made it, again.Randroide 15:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks like (s)he got blocked already. -- Chris 73 | Talk 22:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:FPC

Please provide reasons for your votes. It makes it very hard to establish a consensus or improve the picture if your whole edit consists of a one word support/oppose and your signature. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 12:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Voting on Sea of Japan

Hi, Chris. I can't believe that some people suddenly start voting without announcement. It seems to me that unannounced voting is unfair. Do you know any page where I can see voting taking place? If there is not, I feel someone should make a page where voting can be announced, in order that voting takes place fairly, clearly and smoothly. Misplaced Pages says voting is important to solve disputes, however, I think there is lack of rule about taking place voting. Could you consider how voting about not only Sea of Japan but also any voting should take place fairly? Sfxp11w 10:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Current surveys, but it should also be announced on relevant talk pages, project pages (e.g. Portal:Japan), etc. -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, Chris.

I didn't know about that. But I'm sorry that some surveys have not been announced there. I hope all surveys will be announced on Misplaced Pages:Current surveys and Portal:Japan, in order that many users can participate in surveys and disputes will be solved with many opinions. So, I believe that clearer rules about starting survey is needed if the survey relates to controversial topic, such as Korea and Japan disputes. To be honest, whenever I find a kind of secret survey, I feel that the survey might have the opinion that someone wants to close the survey speedily, so as to get an unfair result, that is, he wants to lead a POV consequence.

Anyway, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Sfxp11w 06:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Chris, thanks for all your dedication in fighting off GT and his clones. I feel guilty for having roped you in to this via pictures on the Parkinsons's page but you stuck around and fought our corner very well. Much obliged. --PaulWicks 12:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Just helping to keep Misplaced Pages clean. -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

And while we're thanking you, thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page. GassyGuy 06:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

More thanks: IP blocking GT has made my day! --PaulWicks 08:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

RuneScape AfD

Hi, I noticed you didn't fully close the Runescape AfD but I assumed it had ended as you deleted it and left a speedy delete comment. So I moved the comment and added the appropriate tags. Please revert if you didn't mean to close it.--Andeh 07:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for completing that -- Chris 73 | Talk 07:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Chindonya

On 29 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chindonya, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Great article; I enjoyed reading it. Many thanks -- Samir धर्म 11:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Vote on Fir0002 FPC set

Hi Chris!
Hope you can stop by here and leave your much appreciated thoughts. Thanks! --Fir0002 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

New vote over Sea of Japan edit

Hi, I've started a new vote with the proposal I outlined beforehand. I would appreciate it if you could head on over to the talk page and vote. Thanks, John Smith's 14:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hummingbird Hawk-moth FPC

Hi! You supported the Hummingbird Hawk-moth FPC (like everyone else who commented), but HighInBC uploaded an edit that absolutely no-one commented on. I can't promote the image without knowing which version to promote, so now I have to ask everyone which version they prefer. Would you mind specifying which image you are supporting? Thanks. Raven4x4x 09:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Your blocking of all Tiscali UK IPs

Dear Chris,

As a Tiscali user myself, it was with some considerable frustration that I was prevented from making legitimate edits when I attempted to earlier this morning, before having to sign in. I understand this is because you have decided to block all Tiscali UK IP addresses for an unspecified amount of time.

Chris, there must be thousands of Tiscali members who make anonymous edits on Misplaced Pages, myself included. I am sure that the majority of these editors are legitimate and intelligent people who enjoy contributing to this project as much as you do yourself.

As with any ISP, (including your own I imagine), some users are out to cause trouble and carry out mindless vandalism. They are a minority.

On behalf of the Tiscali Wikipedians who wish to continue editing anonymously, I ask you to unblock the Tiscali IPs, and focus on individual addresses, rather than branding thousands with the same brush. Or, at very least, make the blocking time definite, and inform the users when it will end.

Yours sincerly Victor Greenstreet 13:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to echo those comments, would you ban Verizon in America the same way? Tiscali are one of the biggest UK internet providers. We aren't school children and keeping us all in doing lines at lunchtime because of one idiot isn't the way to go.

88.104.212.80 13:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Just to chime in here, I'm the admin that undid the range blocks; one of the two users above (I believe) requested the unblocks in #wikipedia. See my comments here. I welcome any comments you have on the matter, including suggestions to fight vandalism by the General Tojo vandal. --Slowking Man 13:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

That's correct it was me. I'm just concerned that Tiscali users will be discriminated against now as potential General Tojo's.

88.104.212.80 13:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Backed up by me too. I have taken the liberty of copying what I have just written on the Administrators' Noticeboard:

There are thousands of Tiscali UK members, it's the 3rd largest ISP in Europe. To be honest, I am peeved at Chris 73's tactics:

•He didn't discuss such a major block before carrying it out.

•He doesn't appear to know who Tiscali are - he says Has anybody experience in contacting the provider to report abuse? on the Administrators' noticeboard.

•But anyway, no matter how big the ISP, he is ignoring the principle and punishing the majority for the immature actions of the few.

•He leaves legitimate editors with no way to continue editing, as he has blocked new account creations.

•He did not show the length of the block on the page that the blocked IPs recieve.

In short, it is not what I would expect of an admin. 88.105.35.203 14:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I understand and to a large extent agree with the complaints from Tiscali users. However, we have a very persistent and frequent vandal in General Tojo (take a look at the history of user PaulWicks personal pages and contributions), and it appears our tools for dealing with such vindictiveness and spite are limited. The results will be that editors such as Paul and myself will grow discouraged; the amount of time and tediousness of trotting around scooping feces behind General Tojo ensures that. It appears that a time honored tactic is to wait for the vandal to move on to other things & grow bored, but in the few cases where that doesn't apply, it looks as though there's very little in the way of tactics in the Misplaced Pages administrative toolbox. Chris 73 has inconvenienced a large number of people apparently, although I'm not understanding why ability to edit anonymously or for long term editors to create new accounts is necessary. Nevertheless, if you Tiscali subscribers would take a moment to take a look at the nature of our problem and suggest solutions, we would appreciate it. --Dan 16:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The Only solution would be registered users only to edit wikipedia, even so we'd end up having free e-mail accounts being blocked for new users, all tiscali.co.uk e-mail accounts being blocked etc. Because of the nature of wikipedia, the only action I can see of retaining wikipedia as it is would be to report this user to his ISP, however, I wouldn't be surprised if Tiscali responding angrily following what I see as disgusting and heavy handed action from Chris here. I've mentioned that I'd like to put a complaint in to wikipedia and hopefully they'll have words with Chris and ensure this doesn't happen again, otherwise I think he should be demoted as an administrator. 16:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me; I don't think I was clear, judging from your reaction. I wasn't really looking for broad solution to a particular problem, i.e. this vandal. I deplore the US cultutral tendency to seek legal solutions to very limited, narrow problems, and in tha spirit of that philosophy it seems to me what we need is a way to address this particular vandal's persistence and vindictiveness. I have two counterpoints to your anger, which is understandable - Chris 73 and others have been discussing the blocking and other responses for some time on places like Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/General Tojo; likely we should've alerted the broader interested community, namely Tiscali users, about our problem and approaches we were considering. Second, I'm still not clear why a weeks' block of non-registered user is burdensome. Finally, you forgot to sign and date. --Dan 17:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Strange counterpoints there, you admit at the end of your first counterpoint that that you should have contacted Tiscali users, not sure how that is a counterpoint then. I'm afraid that if you can't see a problem with all users of Tiscali being told they are using IP addresses that have been blocked because of abuse, its not justifyable nor a counterpoint. I'm saying it was far from the right decision to make, you can't discriminate against millions of users because of one person. It's clear from all these actions that Chris never thought this through and rather deal with the problem as an administrator, decided to shirk his duties by saving himself time and bother by blocking all these IP's. If Chris is unable to deal with people like this user then he shouldn't be an administrator, surely having to clean posts, reverting and banning users is part of his job, I mean if the statistics showed that people wearing white t-shirts were always sick in night club toilets, would you ban them from the club because the cleaners wanted an easy life? I've made it clear I'd like to make a complaint because I don't believe that 1 weeks worth of action would work and Tiscali users would be constantly discriminated against this way in the future. I understand Chris is trying to do his best but doing this to Tiscali in the UK is comparable to doing the same to Verizon in America? Would you then say this was burdensome to Verizon customers? He's going to have to admit his mistake and live with it. You've got to realise the severity of putting IP range blocks on huge European Internet providers, because I'd probably bet that the same wouldn't happen to any American ISP's. 17:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

If I could add my voice to this mini-discussion : In my opinion, why should one stupid user from an ISP be held against all legitimate editors from the same ISP? In Chris 73's actions, he was holding majority accountable to the actions of the minority.

In reply to Dan, this was a great inconvience - it affected people who wished to edit anonymously, of which their are many, as he should take note of. Also may I point out that the ban on account creation meant legitimate editors who hadn't got an account were prevented from carrying out any more of their work. Finally, perhaps he should consider that Tiscali members know no more about this vandal than he does, and that in the statement if you Tiscali subscribers would take a moment to take a look at the nature of our problem and suggest solutions he himself is holding the majority accountable for actions which they have no control over. 88.105.35.203 17:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, you guys are ticked off, I got that - but please, I'm not saying what you think I'm saying. First, the point of my "Strange counterpoints there" was that the blocking did happen with discussion - there was quite a lot - but I concede that it was an error to not include Tiscali users in that discussion. Second, my main point was that this particular problem needs a particular solution, not a broad rule, and thus I was and am in agreement with the user who talks about white t-shirt-wearing barfers. The implication, however, that Misplaced Pages is a a US-centric organization is not true and in any event a red herring. --Dan 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The rhetorical question "why should one stupid user from an ISP be held against all legitimate editors from the same ISP?" is one I agree with - but again, what other solutions are there? --Dan 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

User:88.105.35.203|88.105.35.203 says that "this was a great inconvience - it affected people who wished to edit anonymously, of which their are many, as he should take note of". I already am aware of it; I just don't understand it and was asking for an explanation, not a scolding. --Dan 18:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

My apologies to the anonymous editors of Tiscali for their inconvenience. As for my reason and defense:

• General Tojo is by now a bigger problem on Misplaced Pages
• Another admin also initiated a block of the Tiscali range before to address this problem, and only for technical reasons the block did not come into effect (See Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/General Tojo#Range Blocks if you want to know the details)
• The Tojo problem and the block was discussed extensively before
• I added a range block only after other options did not work
• The block was also announced on the WP:AN, where it drew only minor response. I do not know a way of contacting the anonymous IP'S of Tscali, as some users above suggested.
• The block blocked only anonymous users and account creation, and had no effect on logged in users.
• I was monitoring my Misplaced Pages email, but up to date have not received any comments regarding the block. The first feedback I received was by User:Victor Greenstreet on this talk page.

Overall, this obviously did not work, and I will not block the range again. I would welcome suggestions on how to handle the General Tojo problem on Misplaced Pages talk:Long term abuse/General Tojo. Thanks, and again my apologies -- Chris 73 | Talk 23:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps our Tiscali users in London could go have a talk with General Tojo? --Dan 23:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

For one, most normal users won't read admin boards and the first they'll have known about it is when the block came in place. We couldn't e-mail you because the block prevented us from doing so, and it took me considerable effort to get the block lifted off the wikipedia chat server, (something that needs investigating) for me to actually talk to someone. It's obvious to me that this discussion you do beforehand doesn't work, I managed to find 3 administrators on the chat server who were very unhappy with these actions. For you to ban a whole internet service provider should certainly only be carried out with the say so of those at the very top, its only one step below banning a whole country from editing the site, it's a very serious action, not some trivial banning of an idiot, we're talking millions of users here. Chris and Dan seem oblivious to what banning an ISP means? There isn't a particular solution, people like Tojo are part and parcel of wikipedia, if you can't be bothered cleaning up after him then why are you an administrator, like my example above, you're just like a silly school teacher, power gone to their head and because you can't cope you make everyone suffer. Dan, no offense but how can you not understand blocking millions of users from editing wikipedia as being something other than discrimination and an incovenience, that's why you are getting a scolding, such actions are far from defendable and like I say and stand by my comments that if Tojo was on Verizon, I don't think such a ban would have taken place. Chris, if another admin also tried to initiate a block then I'm aiming my anger at him also, I really don't understand how such actions can be even thought about. Like I say, Tojo is part and parcel of Misplaced Pages, I run a busy football (soccer) message board, I spend a lot of time deleting crap, its just something that comes with the job. I don't go putting IP range bans on whole ISP's, I'd lose half of my users doing that. 14:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.212.80 (talk • contribs)

How do we know that 88.104.212.80 (talk · contribs) isn't Tojo himself? In any event, does the range block actually prevent registered users from editing Misplaced Pages? Andrew73 15:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant, it doesn't prevent registered users but wikipedia isn't restricted to just registered users. You've just proven the point though that all Tiscali UK users will now be treated as potential Tojos. What a farce. 15:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.212.80 (talk • contribs)

Well simply registering could solve a lot of these issues. Andrew73 16:19, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Why should they have to register, besides its too late when there's ISP bans in place. Its down to you to lobby wikipedia for registered users only if its a problem. RobertBFC 20:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)