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: {{not done}}. Sources describe it as unaccredited, Misplaced Pages is not the place to ]. The school would be better advised to actually pursue legitimate academic accreditation, rather than asking us to draw ] based on its preferred interpretation of primary sources. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 23:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | : {{not done}}. Sources describe it as unaccredited, Misplaced Pages is not the place to ]. The school would be better advised to actually pursue legitimate academic accreditation, rather than asking us to draw ] based on its preferred interpretation of primary sources. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 23:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
*Claudioalv, you still did not answer any of my questions. I asked you if you have personal or business connection to the ]. I am not asking you to reveal your identity, or to reveal exact nature of your connection. I'm just asking if you are connected. Also, you did not answer my question about how you came to this subject. You say that "{{tq|Wikimedia Foundation, Inc legal counsel advised me to work with the Misplaced Pages community...}}". But, how did you come to the Wikimedia Foundation? Have anybody asked you to solve this issue? I don't need names, just yes or no? '''] ]''' 23:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | *Claudioalv, you still did not answer any of my questions. I asked you if you have personal or business connection to the ]. I am not asking you to reveal your identity, or to reveal exact nature of your connection. I'm just asking if you are connected. Also, you did not answer my question about how you came to this subject. You say that "{{tq|Wikimedia Foundation, Inc legal counsel advised me to work with the Misplaced Pages community...}}". But, how did you come to the Wikimedia Foundation? Have anybody asked you to solve this issue? I don't need names, just yes or no? '''] ]''' 23:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC) | ||
"guy" thank you for your reply. However you say "Sources describe it as unaccredited". Do you mind tell me which sources are you referring to? Does Misplaced Pages not recognized The National Commission for Further and Higher Education of Malta? If so, may you please provide me an explanation for not recognizing the National Commission for Further and Higher Education? May I ask you if you have any biased with EGS? | |||
Vanjagenije I do not personally know EGS but someone was asking me to solve the problem by doing something different than working with the community. However, Wikimedia Foundation, Inc counsel and Misplaced Pages Information Team advised me that could have been beneficial to join the EGS article civil discussion and to explain and support my argument. I was wrong. By solving the problem my approach is to read and analyze the documents people provided me and I reached the conclusion that EGS article is inaccurate because it currently hosts misleading information. No one so far replied to my detailed requests, except "guy". Now I am aware that user like Guy, JzG, Only will never change their positions so amending the article would be really utopian if the final EGS article decision is on their judgment. "Guy"'s reply is an example because he did not mention any of his "sources". | |||
Vanjagenije now I hope I answered your question. At this point can you please answer my following question: why this source is inaccurate: </ref>http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf</ref> and why the following </ref> http://www.abahe.co.uk/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf</ref> is accurate?] (]) 04:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC) |
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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).Claudioalv (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I do not well understand the reason why I was blocket. I think that is unfair that the article cannot be edit anymore and the inaccurate information are presently guiding the Misplaced Pages users. I provided three different external links to support my edit and the consequences was JzG blocked me. If the best way is to work with the Misplaced Pages community, as Misplaced Pages staff advised me, to be polite and to mantain a friendly discussion, the JzG's behavior is not understandable. Again, there is a misleading link related to a State of Michigan :</ref> http://www.abahe.co.uk/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf</ref>". That link is from the Arab British Academy for Higher Education and it is inaccurate to refer it as a Michigan Department of Education official statement. By posting this information, JzG has blocked me rather than address the issue. It is my fist time I edit something on wikipedia and I have never used multiple accounts. Instead of blocking people, volunteer administrators should verify the information contained on Misplaced Pages. thanks. ClaudioalvClaudioalv (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Clear case of sockpuppetry based on previous accounts with the same edits. only (talk) 01:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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Request reason:
I disagree with that reason as I have never used multiple accounts. However, Misplaced Pages information team (info-en@wikipedia.org) kindly explained me that reason: "The evidence used to determine sockpuppetry relies on technical data regarding the editors connections to the Misplaced Pages site as well as behavioural evidence regarding similarity in editing of content, language, tone and several over factors. The information that would have had to be similar to draw this conclusion is quite lengthy. Your options would be to either request the exact edits you wish to make along with sources to confirm these or to provide explanation to the similarities in technical and non-technical similarities to the other accounts or IP address ranges that have been used to carry out the same pattern of editing previously." I have already clarified to Misplaced Pages info, Misplaced Pages legal counsel, user "only", user "JzG" Beeblebrox (English Misplaced Pages Administrator) the reasons for my edit. No one seems to address the issue I raised so far. Moreover user "JzG" and user "only" blocked my account as a "clear case of sockpuppetry" even if I have never user multiple accounts, I registered few days ago and I posted my first post two days ago. Misplaced Pages information team advised me that "if you would be willing to provide these changes and links to evidence them I would be wiling to review and amend as necessary (within the bounds of policy) the article in question". At this point, if Misplaced Pages does not want to review my block I am fine with that (this case is showing that WIkipedia Enclicopedia is not so free as it is stated in its policy), but at least I kindly request they remove the misleading link and take into consideration my requests on the grounds of verifiable and external sources and links I have already provided them and I am providing them again in this further appeal. My question is: Why does Misplaced Pages EGS article host on a misleading external link which does not have anything to do with the Michigan Department of Education? The current information is based on a link of Arab British Accademy for Higher Education and does not come from Michigan Department of Education. In particular, by reading the EGS Misplaced Pages article: "The State of Michigan Civil Service Commission states that degrees from the EGS "will not be accepted...to satisfy educational requirements indicated on job specifications". This statement is based on the external link that does not have anything to do with the Michigan state. Indeed, the official Michigan state website is the following: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf. By clicking on that link, does not appear the EGS as a non-accredited school. Therefore, the current information contained on Misplaced Pages is inaccurate. I politely request Misplaced Pages users, administrators, JzG, Only, and Misplaced Pages Staff to check this information. In conclusion I am requesting not to "change X to Y", but to remove X (The State of Michigan Civil Service Commission states that degrees from the EGS "will not be accepted...to satisfy educational requirements indicated on job specifications").
Moreover, I request that the current "Accreditation in the United States" would be removed for the following reasons. European Graduate School is currently accredited in the European Union. This contribution con be verified at the following link: http://www.ncfhe.org.mt/news-item/the-european-graduate-school-accredited-by-the-ncfhe-239370240/. In addition, European Graduate School is a European University (and not a U.S. School). In other words, applicant students are aware they are applying to a European University, therefore is not correct that the majority of information contained on Misplaced Pages is based on a U.S. Accreditation. Lastly, I do not find correct the the article contain the following information: "degrees from the EGS are not currently recognized by many state education authorities in the United States". In fact, only two States appear to not recognize them, meanwhile no reference to the remaining 48 States is made. I assume that 48 States recognize EGS degrees so it is not correct that information. Therefore, please change X in Y Claudioalv (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Decline reason:
More tiresome wikilawyering about the European Graduate School's (lack of) accreditation. OhNoitsJamie 14:16, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Why you do not want address the issue I raised? I was advised to work with the community in order to achieve my goal. I provided verifiable sources and external links but user "Jzg", user "only" and you just do not want address the point that EGS Misplaced Pages article is hosting a misleading link and the current information is inaccurate. I am not asking for an unblock, but I am asking to check my contributions. Will it be possible? Thanks. ClaudioalvClaudioalv (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Not an unblock request. Max Semenik (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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Reviewing administrator: Vanjagenije (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Request reason:
I would like to cite this Albert Einstein quote "Insanity:doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I politely request an unblock because I am not a "sockuppetry case" and I am not a tiresome Wikilawyering. I am only an user who would like to update EGS article with more accurate contributions. When I signed the Terms of Use, I read that "you are free to contribute to and Edit our various sites or Project". I am requesting a block because the information I provided in my edit are based on verifiable sources and updated external links. On the contrary the present information on EGS are outdated and not corrected. I provided robust reasons in this talk page each administrator can check and verify. If an administrator can dedicate a couple of minutes of his time to verify them I would be totally glad. I would love to share these contributions with other users and editors with different ideas, but with the block I am not able to do. I find outrageous to be called "sockpuppetry case" or "tiresome Wikilawyering" just because I raised an issue supported by verifiable sources and official external links (for example: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf). thanks for reading my third unblock requestClaudioalv (talk) 12:23 am, 14 February 2016, last Sunday (3 days ago) (UTC+1) Administrator use only:After the blocking administrator has left a comment, do one of the following:
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{{unblock reviewed|1=I would like to cite this Albert Einstein quote "Insanity:doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I politely request an unblock because I am not a "sockuppetry case" and I am not a tiresome Wikilawyering. I am only an user who would like to update EGS article with more accurate contributions. When I signed the Terms of Use, I read that "you are free to contribute to and Edit our various sites or Project". I am requesting a block because the information I provided in my edit are based on verifiable sources and updated external links. On the contrary the present information on EGS are outdated and not corrected. I provided robust reasons in this talk page each administrator can check and verify. If an administrator can dedicate a couple of minutes of his time to verify them I would be totally glad. I would love to share these contributions with other users and editors with different ideas, but with the block I am not able to do. I find outrageous to be called "sockpuppetry case" or "tiresome Wikilawyering" just because I raised an issue supported by verifiable sources and official external links (for example: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf). thanks for reading my third unblock requestClaudioalv (talk) 12:23 am, 14 February 2016, last Sunday (3 days ago) (UTC+1)|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}
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{{unblock reviewed|1=I would like to cite this Albert Einstein quote "Insanity:doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I politely request an unblock because I am not a "sockuppetry case" and I am not a tiresome Wikilawyering. I am only an user who would like to update EGS article with more accurate contributions. When I signed the Terms of Use, I read that "you are free to contribute to and Edit our various sites or Project". I am requesting a block because the information I provided in my edit are based on verifiable sources and updated external links. On the contrary the present information on EGS are outdated and not corrected. I provided robust reasons in this talk page each administrator can check and verify. If an administrator can dedicate a couple of minutes of his time to verify them I would be totally glad. I would love to share these contributions with other users and editors with different ideas, but with the block I am not able to do. I find outrageous to be called "sockpuppetry case" or "tiresome Wikilawyering" just because I raised an issue supported by verifiable sources and official external links (for example: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf). thanks for reading my third unblock requestClaudioalv (talk) 12:23 am, 14 February 2016, last Sunday (3 days ago) (UTC+1)|accept=Accept reason here ~~~~}}
I look forward for your kind replyClaudioalv (talk) 18:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- It would help if you put your request inside the unblock template. I will do that for you this time for ease of reading. —Jeremy v^_^v 10:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- thanks —Jeremy v^_^v for reading my request.I would like to update EGS article with more accurate contributions. When I signed the Terms of Use, I read that "you are free to contribute to and Edit our various sites or Project". I am requesting a block because the information I provided in my edit are based on verifiable sources and updated external links. On the contrary the present information on EGS are outdated and not corrected. I provided robust reasons in this talk page each user, editor and administrator can check and verify. I raised three different issues. 1) the following external link is the only Michigan Department of Education website: </ref>http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf. However, the current information on EGS article is based on the following not official website </ref>
- I made some clean-up here. Please, stop posting new unblock requests while the old one is still open. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @JzG: Which other accounts have this person been using? Vanjagenije (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Vanjagenije: to answer in JzG's place...some of the socks include Techlibrary (talk · contribs), Pboshears (talk · contribs), and Contextualist (talk · contribs). only (talk) 21:40, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
{{checkuser needed}}
: Can a checkuser check those accounts? Vanjagenije (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)- In progress.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Vanjagenije: to answer in JzG's place...some of the socks include Techlibrary (talk · contribs), Pboshears (talk · contribs), and Contextualist (talk · contribs). only (talk) 21:40, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @JzG: Which other accounts have this person been using? Vanjagenije (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Waste of time, since this is a duck test block and the user may just be intelligent enough to make it *seem* as if they are different. Oh well. Guy (Help!) 23:47, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Pboshears and Techlibrary are Likely.
- Claudioalv and Contextualist are Unrelated to the above two accounts and to each other.
- In response to Guy's comment, technical evidence is just that and can be overridden with a strong behavioral determination. Also, there is limited data available to check, which often makes it harder to confirm relationships.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:04, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your attention in this talk page. I can swear I do not know the above users you are checking if they are related to me. I was not familiar with Misplaced Pages edit policy till two weeks ago. When I registered one week ago I made my contributions you have currently blocked without reading them. What I am looking for is to have an administrator who verify my contributions and my sources. As soon as someone would verify it and accept or deny my edit request by providing me an explanation I would be happy.thanksClaudioalv (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Claudioalv, how did you know about this "accreditation problem"? Have anybody told you about that? Did anybody ask you to join discussion? Do you have any personal or business connection to the European Graduate School in real life? Vanjagenije (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Vanjagenije thanks for reading this talk and address my request. Wikimedia Foundation, Inc legal counsel advised me more than once to work with the Misplaced Pages community to solve my problem . I can answer your question by revealing my personal identity, the Wikimedia Foundation Legal counsel and Misplaced Pages Information Team representative identity who replied to my e-mails. I do not have any problem to do it, but I am aware that Misplaced Pages policy is not favorable to show user identiy. No one asked me to join the discussion. I just thought that could have been beneficial working and discussing the accreditation issue in EGS talk page than in a court of law. However, rather than addressing the Accreditation Issue I raised (misleading current external links, omission of E.U. Accreditation, inaccurate information of U.S. Accreditation), administrators blocked me and refused to read my contributions. I also have robust evidence I do not know the users which administrators attempted to relate with me and Wikimedia Foundation Legal Counsel and Misplaced Pages Information Team representative are well aware of this. Lastly, Misplaced Pages Information Team representative replied me "Dear Claudio......As per my previous reply if you would be willing to provide these changes and links to evidence them I would be wiling to review and amend as necessary (within the bounds of policy) the article in question". So far no one amended the article because they refused to read my contributions. Thanks again for reading this postClaudioalv (talk) 15:46, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Claudioalv. What we need is a very simple to follow change X to Y. We don't need any of the lengthy explanation that has gone on above previously. Provide reliable sources to back up your claims per WP:RS and it is possible they may be included. Were after something like Change Red to blue because this reliable source says so.
- Adding in large amounts of unnecessary additions to why it should shouldn't be included wont help. Amortias (T)(C) 21:44, 17 February 2016 (UTC)\
Thanks Amortias. However I am not a Misplaced Pages expert user and I am not sure If the concept of "change X to Y" or "WP:RS" is clear to me. What I can provide is the reliable sources everyone is able to find in this talk page. Change {X} The State of Michigan Civil Service Commission states that degrees from the EGS "will not be accepted...to satisfy educational requirements indicated on job specifications." to {Y} European Graduate School is not included in the Non accredited School according to the Michigan Civil Service Commission </ref>http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdfhttp://www.ncfhe.org.mt/news-item/the-european-graduate-school-accredited-by-the-ncfhe-239370240/</refClaudioalv (talk) 22:00, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Not done. Sources describe it as unaccredited, Misplaced Pages is not the place to Right Great Wrongs. The school would be better advised to actually pursue legitimate academic accreditation, rather than asking us to draw novel inferences based on its preferred interpretation of primary sources. Guy (Help!) 23:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Claudioalv, you still did not answer any of my questions. I asked you if you have personal or business connection to the European Graduate School. I am not asking you to reveal your identity, or to reveal exact nature of your connection. I'm just asking if you are connected. Also, you did not answer my question about how you came to this subject. You say that "
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc legal counsel advised me to work with the Misplaced Pages community...
". But, how did you come to the Wikimedia Foundation? Have anybody asked you to solve this issue? I don't need names, just yes or no? Vanjagenije (talk) 23:30, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
"guy" thank you for your reply. However you say "Sources describe it as unaccredited". Do you mind tell me which sources are you referring to? Does Misplaced Pages not recognized The National Commission for Further and Higher Education of Malta? If so, may you please provide me an explanation for not recognizing the National Commission for Further and Higher Education? May I ask you if you have any biased with EGS? Vanjagenije I do not personally know EGS but someone was asking me to solve the problem by doing something different than working with the community. However, Wikimedia Foundation, Inc counsel and Misplaced Pages Information Team advised me that could have been beneficial to join the EGS article civil discussion and to explain and support my argument. I was wrong. By solving the problem my approach is to read and analyze the documents people provided me and I reached the conclusion that EGS article is inaccurate because it currently hosts misleading information. No one so far replied to my detailed requests, except "guy". Now I am aware that user like Guy, JzG, Only will never change their positions so amending the article would be really utopian if the final EGS article decision is on their judgment. "Guy"'s reply is an example because he did not mention any of his "sources". Vanjagenije now I hope I answered your question. At this point can you please answer my following question: why this source is inaccurate: </ref>http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf</ref> and why the following </ref> http://www.abahe.co.uk/Non-accreditedSchools_78090_7.pdf</ref> is accurate?Claudioalv (talk) 04:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- . Change {X}The European Graduate School / EGS is a cross-disciplinary institution of higher education awarding Masters and Doctoral degrees within its two divisions: Arts, Health and Society (AHS), and Philosophy, Art and Critical Thought (PACT) in {Y} The European Graduate School / EGS is a cross-disciplinary institution of higher education awarding Masters and Doctoral degrees within its two divisions: Arts, Health and Society (AHS), and Philosophy, Art and Critical Thought (PACT). European Graduate School possesses a European Union Accreditation :