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• Syrian Civil War
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• Flooding in southern Ghana caused by heavy rain leaves at least 10 people dead and the streets of Accra under water. (Al Jazeera)

• China cancels an invitation to a Taiwanese children's choir after it performed the island's national anthem at last month's inauguration of President Tsai Ing-wen; the Puzangalan Choir consisting of children from the Paiwan aboriginal tribe had been due to take part in a choral festival in Guangdong province in July. (AP) (The New York Times) (BBC)
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• Switzerland–European Union relations
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• Labour Party MP Jo Cox dies at Leeds General Infirmary after being shot and stabbed as she prepared to hold a meeting with constituents in Birstall, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom. A woman suffered serious injuries; a man was slightly wounded. West Yorkshire police have arrested a 52-year-old male suspect. (NBC News) (ABC News) (BBC) (Reuters) (The Guardian)
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• A Ugandan soldier kills at least seven people in a shooting spree at a military police barracks in the capital, Kampala. The soldier, Sgt Isaac Obua, was then shot dead himself. He is reported to have been drunk. (BBC)
• A Kenyan lower court judge upholds the use of anal examinations to attempt to determine a suspect’s sexual orientation. Homosexual acts are a crime in Kenya. (AP) (The Washington Post)

• Senator Murphy gun control filibuster, Orlando nightclub shooting
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• The Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, City Council approves a 1.5-cent-per-ounce tax on sugar-sweetened and diet beverages, effective January 1, 2017. This is the first so-called sugary drinks tax in a major U.S. city. (Philadelphia Inquirer)

• Ten Olympic weightlifters fail a drug test in a reanalysis of samples from the 2012 Summer Olympics. Among them are four Kazakh gold medalists: Ilya Ilyin, Zulfiya Chinshanlo, Svetlana Podobedova and Maiya Maneza. The other athletes represent Azerbaijan, Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine. All ten lifters are provisionally suspended by the International Weightlifting Federation and are expected to be stripped of their titles. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty)
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2016 Birstall shooting

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• Nominated by Sceptre (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rodw (talk · give credit) and Firebrace (talk · give credit)

Update, 16:23 UTC: Given the update that she has died, being the first MP to be murdered in 25 years, I would argue that the death criteria has been passed. Sceptre 16:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure I should be credited here but I would strongly advise avoiding any comment about being a "racially motivated attack" as there is no evidence for this at present.— Rod 14:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Weak oppose While attacks on lawmakers are rare, they are also very isolated events that have little world significance. She appears to be critical but stable condition. It wasn't part of any mass attack either. If this was a racially motiviated attack, that might be something but the way I read the BBC article, it doesn't seem like this is the reason they're working on as they interrogate the suspect. --MASEM (t) 14:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Switch to support on confirmation of her death. --MASEM (t) 16:31, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Wait It's not yet clear what has happened here. I've not seen any claims it was a racist attack - some less reliable news sources are linking it to Britain First who are a far right group, but that wouldn't automatically make it racially motivated. Smurrayinchester 14:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Wait an hour or two before !voting. We do not know how badly injured she is – serious, non-life threatening injury plus shock? Or a type of injury that few survive? We do not know definitively whether she was shot, stabbed or both, only that both weapons seem to have been used. As a follow-on, a gun and a bladed weapon implies multiple assailants, though we do not know this either. As of less than an hour ago, David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn were both relying on the media and Twittersphere for their information. And finally, most of the country's attention is on UEFA Euro 2016 at this exact moment (radio cancelled their half-time coverage for this breaking news, can't speak for TV as I was driving home to catch the second half). I want the decision taken swiftly once there is sufficient information, but at this point we simply do not know enough to come to a conclusion either way. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:29, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Well according to the BBC she was shot and stabbed, and is in a critical condition and they've arrested a perp. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:34, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Yeah, the reports affirm it was a single person attacking her - they had witnesses that rushed in to stop him after the attack started. --MASEM (t) 14:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Ten minutes previous the wording was "An MP is in a critical condition after an apparent shooting and stabbing attack in her constituency.". Which is not quite the same thing. My point stands – I don't think you can reasonably make the sort of judgements Masem has made with the information we have right now, therefore it's premature to !vote either way. In half an hour the major news organisations will have pulled together everything they have and we'll be in a much better position to start making the assessment. They do not like getting it wrong on their flagship channels, therefore I'm more inclined to trust TV and radio in a breaking news situation. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  That statement ten minutes ago does not contradict the updated changes - she was shot at and the man had a knife, in the area of the country she represents. BBC is usually pretty good about wild speculation, they start with conservative, non-detailed statements and then refine down as breaking info comes in. --MASEM (t) 14:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  My point was that at the stage you took a view, the BBC were still chasing information about what has happened, as were everyone else. In that mode even reliable sources should be treated with caution, though I do respect your opinion of what you believe we should do based on what we think we know, I just personally think you jumped the gun in doing so.

  The two factors I remain unclear on that would influence my vote would be whether she survives, and what the motive was. Looking at the timing of this attack, the suggestions in the article (from Eurosceptic press I should add) suggesting the attacker's motive was a far-right one, and the descriptions of the injuries she suffered from eyewitnesses, I would strongly make the case that whether she pulls through or not the most significant element of this story has yet to fully emerge. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 15:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Wait - The premature death of a lawmaker will be incredibly newsworthy. This shooting by itself could be newsworthy as well, but it is best to not jump to conclusions until we have all the facts.--WaltCip (talk) 14:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. A member of a parliament has virtually no global relevance, and even in her home country she was relatively unknown prior to this. In the US alone, around 50 people are murdered each day, even more people are shot, and on a global scale we talking much higher numbers. If we were to post her, we would also have to post it if, say, a lawmaker in one of the Indian state parliaments were shot. If the queen, prime minister or some other important figure is shot, or if it is a mass shooting, it is global news. Otherwise it isn't really much different from the thousands of similar cases taking place around the world every day. --Tataral (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oh really? StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

So you argue that there is significant internal conflict in UK similar to Naxalite insurgency in India or systemic gun violence in USA? Also when insignificant US MP like Gabrielle Giffords was shot, it was on main page. Also there will be referendum concerning UK's membership in EU, which was already influenced by this event. --Jenda H. (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the Arizona attack was a mass shooting, with 18 others also injured. This was a attack specifically on one MP. --MASEM (t) 15:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Wait for more information to be available first. -- KTC (talk) 14:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment Please remember to DAB Birstall in blurb if posting. w.carter-Talk 15:16, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Wait for more info, and to see if it becomes a major event and/or achieves international coverage. Currently only really UK coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:35, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It's currently top of the 'top stories' column on CNN.com's US edition: AlexTiefling (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Front page of NBC News too. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 15:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It's also the second story on the Frankfurter Rundschau, Le Monde and top on El Mundo. Definitely a global story. Smurrayinchester 15:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Leaning Support due to extent of international coverage. If she doesn't survive that would probably tip the balance. Equally, whilst I have yet to see any reliable source putting two and two together, many RS's are saying that the motivation seems to have been far-right and that she was a strong supporter of remaining in the EU. If reliable sources start to conclude that these factors led to this attacker targetting this victim, that would for me be newsworthy in its own right regardless of her medical condition. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Full support – confirmed at news conference that she has died, by chief constable of West Yorkshire police. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Support. New reports are that she has died. . ---- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 16:18, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support Sources say she's died, and an MP being killed is a pretty notable event. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:19, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support In the news, I see lots of international coverage, not a random attack, appears to be connected to the Brexit vote. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment Does the hook have to use the word "surgery"? I can't stop thinking about the medical procedure. Can't it just be called a constituent meeting? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support - Significant event, rare for an MP to be attacked at a surgery, even rarer for one to be killed. Muboshgu, "surgery" is the correct word in British English. It's similar in useage to visiting a GP (local doctor), which is done in a surgery. Mjroots (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • @Mjroots: Yeah I figured that out, but American English doesn't use the word "surgery" that way and this is the global English-language Misplaced Pages, leading to my suggestion that we use more inclusive language. Not to mention, have you looked at the article surgery (politics)? It should not be posted to the main page. I'm adding an ALT. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Question: what would be the preferred term, killed or assassinated? Sources seem to be splitting on this. Sceptre 16:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Killed. Assassinated is a more dramatic term and implies a very specific motive – if there is justification for the stronger term the wording could be changed post-posting. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
    • I agree that "killed" is the proper word until we know full motive. --MASEM (t) 16:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Marked as ready based on quality, though obviously it's for uninvolved admins to determine whether sufficient discussion has taken place to constitute consensus. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Posted - I checked a few non UK sources first, and they are there, so I'm happy to endorse the international significance. I am surprised she does not have a free image, many British MPs do. Ritchie333 16:53, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• @Ritchie333: I ask that you take surgery (politics) out of the blurb. It's not fit for the main page. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Done - sorry, I found the consensus for that now in the discussion here, it was a bit buried. Ritchie333 17:00, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I've already added one citation to the surgery article. That's what it was, not a "constituent meeting", so we should stick with the reality, despite the fact the article is a little weak. I'll try to improve it further, but please relink it. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

It appears she was leaving the surgery (on her lunch break), or arriving back at the offices where she held her surgery, not 'at' the surgery. She may also have been intervening in an existing struggle, according to some reports. A lot of the reports will need to take care to avoid prejudicing the legal case that will result from this. Misplaced Pages (and its UK editors) needs to take care on that front as well. Speculation (about the motive) needs to be kept out of the article and the blurb. Carcharoth (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - it is not clear whether this is connected to any constituency meeting. All we know for sure from the BBC article is that "The MP held a weekly advice surgery nearby." That would normally be held indoors. The attack took place outdoors. Some sources say the attack was 'before' a constituency meeting, some say 'after', others say she was 'arriving' at her local office. And so on. We need to be careful with what the blurb says. Carcharoth (talk) 16:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  She was attacked on the street just outside the library where she was going to hold her constituency meeting. Dragons flight (talk) 17:10, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Or possibly on a lunch break between two surgery sessions. The details don't really seem to matter (but it would be good to keep the blurb accurate). Terrible tragedy, with a young family too. Really awful. Carcharoth (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  I saw a source that said arriving. Our article currently cites sources saying she was leaving. I'm going to go with leaving for now, but we might want to see if we can get a definitive timeline. Dragons flight (talk) 17:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  Why don't we just say something like "killed after being shot in her constituency". The fact that she seems to have been killed for political reasons is significant, so I'm reluctant to downplay it, but better to do that than guess at the timeline? StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 17:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

  The Surgeries on her own web site says that it was due to run from 13.00-14.00. She was shot at approximately 12.50 therefore it should be arriving. I will edit the article.— Rod 19:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Post-posting support tragic and highly unusual in western Europe. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Might the PA pic be available for fair use? Sca (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I doubt it. That she was an MP means there's a very high chance a free image of her is available somewhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

File:Hellen Joanne Cox.png has been uploaded as fair use (taken from her website). I don't have time now to look at it, but I very strongly suspect that this is not a valid fair use claim and is thus a copyright violation. Thryduulf (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I think this might be one of those rare occasions where Jimbo might actually be able to lend a hand and use leverage to get a free image of her for the project. Ritchie333 10:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. It strikes me as insensitive to ask Brandon right now, but there are lots of other friends I can ask who might have a nice photo.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't really thinking about going down that route; more seeing if some low-res crop of a formal parliamentary photograph could be licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0 or thereabouts. Something like File:Leanne Wood AM - 2016.jpg, for example. Ritchie333 14:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Post-posting support Considering the wide media coverage of the news and the tensed circumstances in British politics, this deadly attack seems notable for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment thanks for posting so promptly. The article was also mentioned on the Misplaced Pages facebook page as being updated following her death, which is actually where I saw the news first. Definitely worthy of a blurb, highly unusual attack on a sitting MP in the UK. MurielMary (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• This discussion was a classic example of less haste equalling more speed. Because the majority of participants waited to see the significance, rather than prematurely judging the premature nomination, once the facts were clearer consensus was able to be achieved in a very short space of time. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment I'm seeing plenty of speculation on Facebook about motives, but not much in RSes. AFAICT, the RSes all say we don't know a lot about motive, except that he had a history of mental illness and not much interest in politics (eg 1). That being so, the unsourced suggestions above of political motivations are skirting pretty close to BLP violations. Let's cool it until more is known. I'm tempted to redact various bits of the above discussion, but I'll leave that to wiser heads for now. GoldenRing (talk) 09:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment - there's an article on the incident at Death of Jo Cox. Shouldn't that be linked as the primary article?  — Amakuru (talk) 16:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that we should have a spin-off article yet, and sent it to AfD this morning for that reason. I suspect there might be one eventually that talks about some of the political and security ramifications, perhaps, but we're not there yet. Ritchie333 17:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: we have documented sources from the SPLC and Guardian noting that Tommy Mair, the killer in question, had long-lasting links to neo-Nazi groups both in the UK and US. I would be perfectly comfortable with describing this an assassination – as Hillary Clinton and Francois Hollande have, to name two. Sceptre 16:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
  • We absolutely should avoid calling it an assassination that until the people interrogating the suspect determine if his intent was to kill or just attack. Words like "assassination" and "terrorism" are great FUD in both the UK and the US where critical elections are in progress. This may have been an assassination attempt that succeeded, but let's not jump the gun before the suspect's case has been determined. --MASEM (t) 16:55, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
    • He spent £400 on neo-Nazi literature, went to the effort of improvising a firearm, and then shot her in the face. Britain First has outright made general death threats against mainstream politicians (and Labour in particular). The idea it wasn't an premeditated political murder is frankly ludicrous. Sceptre 17:03, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Britain First have a strong track record of engaging mouth before brain, but I'm not sure they really want to repeal the abolition of capital punishment, they just want to throw big words around to look important. Ritchie333 17:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't see any need to e.g. replace "shot and stabbed" with "assassinated": it's more NPOV not to prejudge the motivations behind the attack and how it should be categorised, even if political motivations seem by far the most likely. It's also to the point to mention the method of the killing, which is notably violent and worth mentioning in the blurb in itself. Dionysodorus (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

"Premediated" certainly seems accurate given all the weaponry they found, but whether his goal was to kill her to simply do physical damage to her, we don't know, and only officers/court of law can make that judgment. WP needs to avoid jumping the gun since to call it an assassination when that actually wasn't his motive or intent would be BLP territory. Mind you, I'm pretty confident that this will be determined to be that way, but we should let the authorities make the final call. --MASEM (t) 17:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

The term "assassination" does carry a strong connotation, and to use it would imply that he got his marching orders from a political group or organization. That does not seem to be the case here.--WaltCip (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Oswald was not acting on anyone's behalf. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 03:39, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Ichiro Suzuki breaks baseball hit record

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• Nominated by Thechased (talk · give credit)

• If you were to likewise count Rose's non-MLB hits, Ichiro would still have a ways to go. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 06:12, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Comment: Did you even bother reading anything in my nomination? Kindly take the Rose debate to virtually any internet comment section where it belongs, read the Guardian article, and offer something resembling a relevant contribution to this ITN discussion. Thechased (talk) 06:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

MLB is the top tier. The others are essentially minor leagues. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 08:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - MLB is the top tier of professional baseball in the world. Not MLB and Nippon League. Just MLB. Since this record is only a record if you include Suzuki's lower-level hits but not Rose's, there's no way I can support this. And all that aside, this is still just essentially sports trivia. ITN has declined to post records that were a lot more clear-cut than this one, not that it isn't a great accomplishement. --Bongwarrior (talk) 08:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose as it seems we're not comparing apples with apples. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose trivia with caveats. Stephen 10:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose sports records are broken constantly; ITN can't post them all. Not significant. MurielMary (talk) 10:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

June 15

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June 15, 2016 (2016-06-15) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War Syrian government airstrikes hit rebel-held areas in Aleppo, killing at least 34 people. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents A scaffolding on a bridge under construction near Werneck, Germany, collapses, killing at least one worker and injuring six more. (BBC) EgyptAir Flight 804 A deep sea search vessel discovers the wreckage of the lost aircraft in the Mediterranean Sea. (CNN) (BBC) International relations European Union-Turkey relations Turkey fails to meet the criteria set forth by the European Union in order to obtain visa-free travel to its member states. The EU promised to grant Turkey visa-free travel only if it met specific conditions on border security and human rights. (The Guardian) Ukraine–NATO relations NATO's defense ministers agree to boost support for Ukraine with a "comprehensive package of assistance", which will help it strengthen defense and to modernize its armed forces. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) Israel–Palestine relations Israel announces plans for construction of a three-story residential building for Jewish settlers in a Palestinian neighborhood of East Jerusalem. (Reuters) Law and crime 2014–16 Venezuelan protests Venezuelan police arrest at least 400 people in the city of Cumaná after food riots and looting broke out yesterday. (Reuters) November 2015 Paris attacks The father of Cal State Long Beach student Nohemi Gonzalez, the only American killed in the November 13, 2015, Paris massacre, files suit in San Francisco, California, federal court against Twitter, Facebook, and Google, alleging the companies provided "material support" to the Islamic State and other extremist groups. While generally free of liability under U.S. law which provides a legal safe harbor for content posted, this case targets the behavior social media companies enable. The suit is very similar to a case brought against Twitter in January by the widow of a contractor killed in the November 9, 2015, attack in Jordan. (AP via San Francisco Chronicle) (Daily Mail) (The Guardian) Politics and elections Yōichi Masuzoe resigns as the Governor of the Japanese capital Tokyo over a political funding scandal. He was due to face a no-confidence motion in the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly later today. (AP via ABC News America) Senator Murphy gun control filibuster United States Senator Chris Murphy (D-Conn) launches a filibuster on the Senate floor in an effort to pass gun control legislation in the wake of the Orlando nightclub shooting. (Politico) The Canadian House of Commons approves a bill to make the lyrics in the country's national anthem gender neutral. The bill would change the words in O Canada from "in all thy sons command" to "in all of us command." (Reuters) The Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, City Council approves a 1.5-cent-per-ounce tax on sugar-sweetened and diet beverages, effective January 1, 2017. This the first so-called sugary drinks tax in a major U.S. city. (Philadelphia Inquirer) Science and technology Scientists confirm a second detection of gravitational waves by LIGO. (The Guardian) (BBC) Sport Violence at UEFA Euro 2016 Renewed clashes take place between English and Russian football fans in the French city of Lille following Russia's 2-1 defeat against Slovakia. Riot police fired tear gas at England supporters outside Gare de Lille Europe. (The Guardian) (BBC) Police arrest at least 36 people in Lille following clashes between French police and football fans at the tournament. French authorities report 16 people were taken to hospital. (BBC) In baseball, Ichiro Suzuki reaches a combined total of career hits of 4,257 spanning Major League Baseball and Nippon Professional Baseball. It passes Pete Rose's career total encompassing Major League Baseball only of 4,256 but the MLB is considered to be a higher quality competition. (ESPN) RD: Lois Duncan Article: Lois Duncan (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): LA Times Washington Post Credits: Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Writer of teen literature MurielMary (talk) 10:17, 18 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose prolific but not significant in the field of writing. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:12, 19 June 2016 (UTC) Robert T. Paine Article: Robert T. Paine (zoologist) (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): The AtlanticABC News/Associated Press Credits: Updated and nominated by Ackatsis (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Influential American ecologist, who has been called a "giant" of the field. Through his experiments, Paine devised the concepts of keystone species and trophic cascades, which are now central ideas in ecology. In 2013, Nature dedicated a feature to the legacy of his work, in which they wrote: "Bob Paine fathered an idea — and an academic family — that changed ecology." I have spent the morning updating his article, and happy to get it up to scratch if anything else is needed. Ackatsis (talk) 01:36, 15 June 2016 (UTC) I expect you don't want to link to a disambiguation page. Try Robert T. Paine (zoologist). ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Ah yes, thank you! I just fixed it. Ackatsis (talk) 02:35, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Support clearly one of the most important people for conservation biology, and the article is in good shape. Thryduulf (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Weak oppose many of those awards need citation, but otherwise it's in okay shape. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Comment: All awards now cited. Ackatsis (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Thank you, support. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Marked ready for RD. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Posting. --Tone 14:18, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Support after posting - an important person within his field of work.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:07, 15 June 2016 (UTC) June 14 Portal:Current events/2016 June 14 June 14, 2016 (2016-06-14) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan–Pakistan skirmishes Afghan and Pakistani soldiers clash at the Torkham border crossing between the two countries, leaving one Afghan soldier and a Pakistani major killed. At least 22 other people were also injured. Tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan have grown since the latter's attempts to build a gate at the crossing. (Al Jazeera) June 2016 Magnanville stabbing The attacker is identified as Larossi Abballa, a 25-year-old man who, according to police sources, was a neighbor of the murdered couple. 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(ESPN) Violence at UEFA Euro 2016 Article: Violence at UEFA Euro 2016 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ UEFA fines Russia €150,000 and deports 50 fans for violence at the UEFA Euro 2016 football tournament (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ UEFA fines Russia €150,000 and imposes a suspended disqualification on the Russian team for violence at UEFA Euro 2016. Alternative blurb II: ​ Dozens of people are injured in the violence between fans at the UEFA Euro 2016, which results in arrests and deportation, imposition of fines and suspended disqualification of national teams. Alternative blurb III: Fan violence at the UEFA Euro 2016 results in the expulsion of 50 football fans, and a suspended disqualification of the Russian team. Alternative blurb IV: Dozens of people are injured in the fan violence at UEFA Euro 2016, which results in arrests and deportation of fans, and a suspended disqualification of the Russian team. News source(s): BBC Sport, Yahoo News, The Hindu, Bloomberg, UEFA Credits: Updated and nominated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit) Nominator's comments: I've put this up as an alternative to the "ongoing" Euro 2016 nomination below, which I have opposed. Although there has been sustained headline news coverage over Europe over the last 5 days, with some coverage in the US and elsewhere, today's story about the fine and deportation in particular appears to have made headlines around the world. Ritchie333 14:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Support per previous discussion and the latest news. Also there looks to be some litigation going to happen at some point as well. --MASEM (t) 14:38, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Comment I've added an altblurb, as suspended disqualification also looks significant. Brandmeister 14:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Support as a reasonable alternative. No real preference on blurb, either should be OK. Also correcting grammar in alt blurb. Banedon (talk) 14:55, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Support - clearly notable and ITN worthy. --BabbaQ (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Support per the above comments. Lugnuts 18:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2016 (UTC) (edit conflict) Post-posting oppose to the anti-Russian biased blurb. The notable thing here is the ongoing violence during the tournament, which doesn't involve only Russian but also English and French fans. Either this nomination is too late because the violence has started few days ago or someone was reluctant to find the right moment to nominate this, I don't think that the imposed fine against Russia is a reason to post it right now nor it'd be if similar measures are overtaken against any other nation. Having posted a blurb focusing on specific case is both biased and a poor representation of reality because it shadows the violence as a whole. Perhaps it'd be a real news if any of the teams from countries whose fans are involved in the violence are disqualified. For now, it'd be a better try if this gets nominated for ongoing, although there are still no major implications.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2016 (UTC) See above instructions, very specifically "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." We simply report whatever the news sources give us. If you think the news sources are biased, you need to take it up with UEFA, BBC, Bloomberg, CNN etc etc ... we can't do anything about that. Ritchie333 19:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC) @Ritchie333: You seem to have clearly misunderstood my point. Do you really think that this minimal fine against Russia is the right moment to post the ongoing violence which resulted in dozens of injured and raised concerns regarding the security in France during the last couple of days? I don't think that mentioning England would remove the bias either because the news is the violence itself but this seems to have been selectively cherry-picked with previous news being censored. Another point is not what the fans are doing and how to fine them and their teams but also how France as organisers are capable to solve the problem. What we currently have on the main page is a clear case of a selective bias that doesn't represent the reality as it is. Anyway, fair enough, let's watch the game now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I think the story itself is significantly less notable than the whole championship. Not having this as ongoing but listing this rather trivial event (not related to the players, no actual penalty, and 150k is a joke when it comes to the revenue coming out of football). Unless there is an actual suspension I don't think this should be posted. Nergaal (talk) 19:14, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Pull – Agree with Nergaal and generally with Simeonovski. Thus far, trivial low-life incident(s) of minor comparative significance. Rushed posting.Sca (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Keep posted - this incidents has received plenty of media attention and is a well sourced and factual article so far. No reason for deletion, and IDONTLIKEIT is as irrelevant as always.BabbaQ (talk) 20:37, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Along with punctuation and grammar. Sca (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC) @BabbaQ: Yes, the violence receives plenty of media attention and the article is in decent shape. Unfortunately, the blurb on the main page is only partially consistent with the article and what's actually happening. Why would someone disregard the threat that both England and Russia may be disqualified (CNN)? Why this fine is more important than the mass arrests of English fans after their clashes with the French police (BBC, CNN)? How about the clashes between the German and Ukrainian fans (The Daily Telegraph)? Or between the Northern Irish and French fans (The Daily Telegraph)? The article's content is referenced with 20 media news in its current shape. Shall we cherry-pick only one of them that verifies a single paragraph to put the whole article on the main page with evidently biased blurb?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Ahem. "Mass arrests of English fans"? The source you cite has the headline, "Euro 2016: England fan arrested after Marseille clash." Yes, one. Misrepresentation of sources is considered a bit serious around here. While it's true that there has been violence involving supporters of a number of nations, the fact is that it is Russia that has been fined and disqualified (suspended for the time being). It's not bias to say so, when established by a reliable source. Whether this whole thing rises to the level of ITN or not I don't have an opinion on; I think it's a borderline case. But the charge of bias is clearly wrong. GoldenRing (talk) 10:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Comment I've proposed a new blurb that more comprehensively reflects the violence and what's actually documented in the article. Please take it into consideration.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC) "...deportation, imposition of fines and suspended disqualification of national teams." is equally misleading because the only country those three things apply to is Russia. Post-posting support, by the way (with original blurb).Laura Jamieson (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Both England and Russia were threatened disqualification (CNN). In any case, the wording of the blurb should be in a more comprehensive form, without specifically pointing to just a part of the whole story.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:37, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Only Russia were disqualified but had that suspended. No other county including England have had that sentencing. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:40, 14 June 2016 (UTC) England were warned, Russia were actually disqualified (though this was suspended). Laura Jamieson (talk) 21:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC) It's already been posted, in a different way. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support it's been top news across Europe for a day now, this cadre of 150 Russian ultras is causing havoc while the French do ... 21:36, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Bad blurb - The blurb currently used doesn't mention which sport it's talking about. Please provide context for blurbs rather than assuming that everyone in the world already knows what you're talking about. Kaldari (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2016 (UTC) It does name the "Russian Football Union", which makes it clear what sport this is. Smurrayinchester 07:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Now it does, not when that the above comment was posted. ;) -- KTC (talk) 07:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC) post-posting support for the event, which is clearly notable and the article is in good enough shape. No comment about the blurb. Thryduulf (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support If we want to make it clearer that it's not only Russian fans, then "amidst violence at UEFA Euro 2016" might be better. However, Russia are the only team which have been fined or received an official suspended suspension (England got an informal warning, but no official punishment). Smurrayinchester 07:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC) The notable news is the ongoing violence with its all implications so far (arrests, warnings, UEFA sanctions). I don't think this fine itself is notable enough to promote the whole article, which apparently deals with many other events, on the main page. If one is willing to highlight the importance of the fine against the hooliganism by Russian fans, then the key article should link to a specific section about the fine but not to the whole article. The major problem is that all of those who support this argue on the importance of the violence but settle for a biased blurb that doesn't tell the whole story. We all know that the Russian fans are not the only ones involved in the violence and that information should be neutrally served to the readers who don't follow the tournament.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:56, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Well it's widely acknowledged that it's the group of Russians (hardly "fans") who are causing the vast majority of the issues, hence UEFA's formal clamping down on Russia and no-one else. The suspended sentence is the story. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support. This is not "anti-Russian" any more than a story reporting about a criminal conviction is biased against the convicted criminal. This story is what it is and as noted above we can only reflect what the sources state. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Suggest altblurb3 The fines are not notable, and the violence was not restricted to Russian fans, though the suspended disqualification was, for procedural reasons. --PanchoS (talk) 10:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC) That's a much better blurb. I've proposed another alternative with slight modification to include information about the injuries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC) I further improved my altblurb3, specifying the sport, while replacing "deportation" by "expulsion", the arrests being less notable. Pinging those who were discontent with the current blurb – please give feedback whether you consider the later proposals an improvement to be promoted, Nergaal, Kaldari, Sca, and Kiril Simeonovski. --PanchoS (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC) (1) Only pinging those who were dissatisfied with the existing blurb is WP:CANVASSING; therefore pinging Thryduulf, The Rambling Man, BabbaQ, Smurrayinchester, Banedon, 331dot, Lugnuts. (2) The sources say "deportation", not "expulsion", which is meaningless. (3) It suggests that fans of many countries have been deported, when AFAIAA it is only Russian fans at the moment. (4) It doesn't mention the (unprecedented) fine. The current blurb is more accurate. Laura Jamieson (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC) I'd shorten alt IV to "Fan violence at UEFA Euro 2016 results in arrests and deportation of fans, and a suspended disqualification of the Russian team." I do understand the concern about bias against Russia. However it's almost impossible to succinctly explain that there has been violence between multiple nationalities, that the police have hardly covered themselves in glory either for that matter, but that the actions of a minority of Russian fans has been deemed by UEFA to be the most serious and thus warranting a more serious sanction than that imposed on other nations. To my knowledge, only Russian fans have been deported, and therefore the slightly one-way nature of an acceptably short blurb can be justified (if non-Russians had been deported, the neutrality issue would be easier to solve, as we could tweak the middle to "...results in arrests and deportation of multiple teams' fans...". We can't do this at the moment because multiple nationalities have presumably been arrested, though not to my knowledge deported). StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC) We don't argue against the facts that Russian fans are the most violent and the ones causing most of the problems nor that the fine imposed by UEFA is illegitimate; it's just the notability of this fine in this series of events and the way it's posted on the main page. The key article in the blurb still leads to the whole article on the violence, with no specific indication to a section documenting the fine only. Even if Russian fans bear much of the responsibility for the violence, it's not our business to fully attribute all such events during the tournament to them.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC) Because there seems to be a tentative general consensus here, I've posted the shortened alt-blurb. While Russian fans are the only ones to have been deported, others (England, Wales, France, Germany at least) have been arrested, so I don't think the blurb is misleading in that respect. Smurrayinchester 10:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC) A good solution, thanks! --PanchoS (talk) 11:06, 16 June 2016 (UTC) This is much better than the previous one, thanks!--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:19, 16 June 2016 (UTC) IMO this should still mention the fine, which seems to have got lost along the way somewhere. GoldenRing (talk) 12:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC) Oops, good point. Smurrayinchester 12:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC) Not a good point. The fine is not really noteworthy, and the blurb is one of the longest blurbs we've ever had for a borderline noteworthy event. Please, could everybody be a bit more focussed on what's really important, and what's backed by a consensus to post? Thanks. --PanchoS (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC) Comment – if UEFA were to take action following this (comparable to what happened between England and Russia), we would need to reconsider the blurb for NPOV reasons. No opinion on the above discussion on whether the fine needs to be mentioned. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC) June 13 Portal:Current events/2016 June 13 June 13, 2016 (2016-06-13) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Orlando nightclub shooting City officials in Orlando, Florida, continue to identify the bodies of the victims in yesterday's attack. So far, 33 of the reported 49 victims have been identified and their families notified. (City of Orlando) Moro Conflict Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government has "compelling reason to believe" that Robert Hall, who was held hostage in the Philippines, has been killed by his captors, presumably the same Abu Sayyaf militants who beheaded another Canadian, John Ridsdel, on 25 April 2016. (AP) Kurdish–Turkish conflict A car bomb injures at least nine people, three in serious condition, in the mainly-Kurdish southeast region in Turkey's Tunceli Province. The explosion occurred close to housing for courthouse employees in the town of Ovacik. There is no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. (Al Jazeera) (AP) June 2016 Magnanville stabbing A senior French police commander is killed by a knife-wielding 25-year-old man outside his home in Magnanville near Paris, France. The attacker, who retreated inside the house, is also killed when elite police commandos storm the residence after negotiations failed. The commander's partner, a female administrative police official, is found dead inside the home, while a young boy is rescued physically unharmed. The Islamic State, via its Amaq News Agency, claims responsibility for the attack. (BNO News) (Le Parisien) (HuffPost) (Reuters) Arts and culture 2016 in amusement parks Lightning Rod, the world's first launched wooden roller coaster, opens at the Dollywood amusement park in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, United States. (Knoxville News Sentinel) Business and economics Microsoft agrees to buy professional networking site LinkedIn for $26.2 billion (£18 billion). (CNET) (BBC) International relations European migrant crisis Police in northern Greece move more than 400 Syrians and Iraqis by bus from a makeshift camp near the Macedonian border to a shelter near the northern city of Thessaloniki. More than 50,000 migrants remain stranded in Greece following European border closures, and the European Union's agreement with Turkey. (AP) Germany–Turkey relations Eleven Turkish-German members of Germany's Parliament, the Bundestag, who voted in support of declaring the Ottoman Turks slaughter of Armenians in 1915 a genocide, are under police protection. The legislators have faced heavy criticism from Turkish officials, as well as from Turkish Germans. (UPI) (UPI²) The Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg says that the military alliance plans on sending four multinational battalions to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland in order to boost their defense. However, Stoltenberg said that the battalions will only be deployed on a rotational basis instead of being based permanently. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) International relations Fiji's ambassador to the United Nations Peter Thomson is elected as President of the United Nations General Assembly for its 71st session. (AP via WRAL) Law and crime A 22-year-old Dutch woman held in Qatar for nearly three months after telling police she had been raped is released following the court ruling of a one-year suspended prison sentence. The Associated Press reports it isn't clear " what sentence was given to the man she accused of rape." (AP) Trial of Oscar Pistorius South African Paralympic sprinting medalist Oscar Pistorius's sentencing hearing begins. He faces a minimum 15-year jail term since his original manslaughter charge for the 2013 killing of Reeva Steenkamp has been upgraded to murder. The hearing is set to last for five days. (Reuters) (Sky News) Politics and elections The United States Supreme Court strikes down a Puerto Rican law that would have allowed it to restructure the debts of its public utilities over the objections of creditors. Puerto Rico's agencies have a $2 billion debt payment due July 1 and has already defaulted on a $370 million debt payment for its Government Development Bank back on May 1. (Bloomberg) Science and technology An international team of scientists report in the journal Nature Communications the discovery of a material (SBMOF-1) that can clear nuclear waste gases, produced by reprocessing plants, more efficiently, cheaply, and safely than currently available methods. (R&D Magazine) (The Statesman)(Nature Communications) Microsoft to Acquire LinkedIn Articles: LinkedIn (talk · history · tag) and Microsoft (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Microsoft announces it will acquire the professional networking site LinkedIn for $26.2 billion. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Microsoft announces its $26.2-billion acquisition of the professional networking site LinkedIn. News source(s): The Verge, WSJ Credits: Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: Significant business acquisition, given the weight of LinkedIn in professional circles, though I can understand that it may otherwise seem underwhelming after seeing LinkedIn's stock performance of the last year. MASEM (t) 14:15, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Support - this is a big acquisition. It might not go through, but it's making the news now, which is sufficient for me to support. Banedon (talk) 14:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Support - Both the acquirer and the acquiree are household names.--WaltCip (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Comment - the service Microsoft are acquiring is of more significance than the business transaction. Which is huge in its own right. I support the importance, most of the outstanding issues are relatively trivial but the business units section needs sourcing. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC) ≤*Do we post this sort of stuff when it happens or when it is announced it will happen? Nergaal (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Past WT:ITN discussions have concluded that the best point to post important business deals is on their confirmed announcement by both companies, rather than at the point when it happens (if it should still happen), since at the announcement point is where nearly all the news and market response happens. --MASEM (t) 16:10, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Plus it is also equally newsworthy if the business deal is broken up in a trustbuster.--WaltCip (talk) 16:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Worth pointing out though that we posted Pfizer acquiring Allergan some time ago, and then the deal did not go through. Some editors were unhappy about that, arguing that the deal should never have been posted in the first place. Banedon (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2016 (UTC) In fairness, some editors are unhappy that we ever put anything on our main page that does not relate to their favourite country. You do raise a perfectly valid point, but my question would be whether consensus was reached for a different standard? StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 06:01, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I'm afraid I don't understand your question. What do you mean by "different standard"? Banedon (talk) 08:04, 14 June 2016 (UTC) The standard time to post an acquisition at ITN has generally been at public announcement stage (as WaltCip says, after that point a chain of events cancelling the deal would be news in and of itself). My question was whether consensus was reached following the criticism you mention, that we should change the time at which we post big acquisitions and mergers, from announcement to final implementation. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 08:21, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I see. No, there wasn't. Refer the nominations themselves: . It's kind of a grey area though and something I think we could discuss. Banedon (talk) 08:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Comment I have updated LinkedIn (including the unrefed section and a floating CN), Microsoft, and the List of mergers and acquisitions by Microsoft (though this last is not a target, its just where most acquisition info on MS goes). --MASEM (t) 16:35, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Support, big number. --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose - Just another proposed business deal, not newsworthy for the majority of readers. STSC (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC) The social network that the highest number of people would argue that they need to be a part of, and possibly the best known tech company around? Those are of course opinions, but both ones I think the majority of people would agree with. As business acquisitions go, if this doesn't cut the mustard then I can't think of any past examples that would. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I'd be careful with those statements, because Facebook is by far the largest social network out there, while in the world of tech companies Apple is the world's strongest brand according to Forbes, Google is second, and there are many other well-known names like Samsung, Intel and IBM as well. Banedon (talk) 06:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Anyone who states that they have a need to be part of Facebook needs to evaluate their priorities. The same cannot be said for LinkedIn. As for tech companies, Apple and Microsoft are nip and tuck in terms of what are traditionally thought of as tech companies. Google I'll give you (though that's almost entirely down to search, despite them having fingers in pretty much every pie), and you could put Amazon in the same bracket. But IBM? Intel? Samsung? Seriously? My overriding point stands though, which is that if one of these companies acquiring the other is not newsworthy, I can't think of a single acquisition which would be. With the possible exception of Microsoft's previous – and much cheaper – record acquisition. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 07:40, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I'm not opposing this nomination (in fact I supported it above); I'm just saying that I'd be careful with those statements because it's entirely possible a reasonable person disagrees with them. Last I saw Facebook was so widespread one in seven people on Earth has an account, which is a penetration far higher than LinkedIn's. Since social networks are heavily dependent on the number of participants, Facebook has an arguably wider competitive moat than LinkedIn. Facebook's market capitalization is also so big ($326 billion as of time of writing) that it's almost as big as other well-known stalwarts like Berkshire Hathaway (that's Warren Buffett's company) and Exxon Mobil, and many, many times bigger than LinkedIn ($26 billion). Tech-wise there are many people who think Microsoft is an old hat, and the exciting stuff is happening in Apple and Google. Accordingly they care little about Microsoft. IBM, Samsung and Intel are all well-known mega tech corporations worth over $100 billion as well, not to be underestimated (and last I saw, Samsung revenue and profits exceed that of Microsoft). Again I'm not opposing this nomination, I'm not even saying you are wrong to make such claims, I'm just saying that I'd be careful with making grandiose statements on things that are not well defined, like "best known tech company". Banedon (talk) 08:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Support per my above comments. I'll add that the timing of such announcements is a matter of debate, but up until now this has been the way in which we have done it, and I don't see any justification for a piecemeal approach to the debate over when a business merger or acquisition should be posted. In the absence of a definitive guide we should go with the established practise. Therefore, the only question for me is whether this story is notable. Clearly it is. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC) I was close to marking it ready, but the "Microsoft" article doesn't mention the acquisition in the body content. Also, one of the sections is tagged as "outdated". George Ho (talk) 09:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC) As MS has made so many acquisitions, they are all located now at List of mergers and acquisitions by Microsoft, which I did update too to include the LinkedIn one. Even the previous big one, Skype, isn't mentioned in the MS article body. --MASEM (t) 14:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Posted. I unbolded Microsoft, as the article doesn't mention the merger (nor should it, per Masem). Smurrayinchester 07:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC) June 12 Portal:Current events/2016 June 12 June 12, 2016 (2016-06-12) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Iraqi Civil War (2014–2017) In the Third Battle of Fallujah, ISIL militants attack a military barracks east of Fallujah, killing more than 50 government soldiers and militia members. At least 12 militants were also killed in the assault. (Al Jazeera) Yemeni civil war Missiles, fired from a U.S. drone, strike a four-wheel drive vehicle in southern Yemen, killing two and injuring another suspected militant. (Press TV) Arts and culture Around 10,000 people attend a street party in front of Buckingham Palace to celebrate Queen Elizabeth II's 90th birthday. (Reuters) 70th Tony Awards The 70th Tony Awards are held at the Beacon Theatre in New York City with The Humans winning the Best Play and Hamilton winning the Best Musical. 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ISIL's Amaq News Agency claims that the assault, "... was carried out by an Islamic State fighter". (Reuters) (CBS New York) The FBI identifies the deceased gunman as Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, a 29-year-old American citizen born in New York to Afghani parents, and living in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Mateen called 9-1-1 during the attack and pledged allegiance to ISIL. (CBS New York) Mateen's father, Seddique Mir Mateen, says, "We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident. This had nothing to do with religion." Seddique says that during a recent outing in Miami, his son got very angry when he saw men kissing and touching each other. According to the elder Mateen, Omar said, "Look at that. In front of my son they are doing that." (NBC News) The City of Orlando requests, via Twitter, citizens, "... hold off on vigils — they represent a serious strain on our limited resources, which we need to dedicate to law enforcement and victims." (The New York Times) The scheduled L.A. Pride parade is held in West Hollywood Park in California. A 20-year-old man, whose car was filled with explosive materials and weapons, is arrested before he reached the parade area. He is misquoted as saying he wanted to harm people at the event. (Los Angeles Daily News) An explosion at Shanghai Pudong International Airport injures at least three people; the explosive appears to be homemade. (AP via The Guardian) Lawyers for former President of Chad Hissène Habré, who was recently found guilty of crimes against humanity and sentenced to life in prison, appeal the verdict. However, a tribunal spokesman said the appeal process is not expected to be done before April 2017. (Al Jazeera) Sports UEFA Euro 2016 UEFA opens an inquiry into the Russian Football Union after massive fights between Russian and English hooligans during and after the match between Russia and England in Marseille. Dozens of injuries, including at least one Briton in critical condition, and multiple arson attacks occurred throughout the city. (BBC) 2016 KPMG Women's PGA Championship In golf, Brooke Henderson of Canada wins the 2016 KPMG Women's PGA Championship. (Seattle Times) 2016 Stanley Cup Finals In ice hockey, the Pittsburgh Penguins win their fourth Stanley Cup title defeating the San Jose Sharks 4 games to 2 in the finals. (ESPN) RD: Janet Waldo Article: Janet Waldo (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Telegraph NY Times Credits: Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: American voice artist, most memorably for Judy Jetson in the Hanna Barbera cartoon The Jetsons MurielMary (talk) 10:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose as not top of her field, and unless and until the RFC is closed with consensus to change the RD criteria, that matters (unfortunately imo). Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose per Thryduulf. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:11, 19 June 2016 (UTC) Tony Awards Article: 70th Tony Awards (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The Humans wins Best Play and Hamilton wins Best Musicial at the Tony Awards. (Post) News source(s): BBC News, LA Times, The Guardian Credits: Nominated by Fuebaey (talk · give credit) The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance. Fuebaey (talk) 12:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Weak support the articles on the play and the musical are decent enough, the Tony's is a bit weak on prose, but good enough. All are referenced, no reason beyond a desire to beef up the Tonys list not to post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC) The whole ITN lately has been stale. No wonder the overall views are low when nothing interesting gets posted on ITN. Nergaal (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2016 (UTC) @Nergaal: So fix it: nominate articles about news stories that you find interesting, and then improve the article(s) so that is not a barrier to posting (and Misplaced Pages is improved regardless of whether it is featured on ITN or not). Thryduulf (talk) 22:30, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Weak support per TRM. Thryduulf (talk) 22:30, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Marked as ready, since there is no formal opposition to this ITNR nom. I'd like to think that a 2-3 paragraph sourced expansion is decent enough for an awards event. Fuebaey (talk) 20:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC) Posted surprised this has taken four days, but in future, suggest nominator or someone else pings an admin. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:00, 19 June 2016 (UTC) Stanley Cup Finals Article: 2016 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Pittsburgh Penguins defeat the San Jose Sharks to win the Stanley Cup (MVP Sidney Crosby pictured). (Post) News source(s): Guardian Credits: Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit) Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: ITN/R event. There are numerous photos of MVP Sidney Crosby on commons we can use for a picture. Andise1 (talk) 03:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC) 2 Pittsburgh teams average 1 win per 30 months and Cleveland's 3 teams haven't won in 52 years.. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 04:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC) The Cavs haven't lost yet, though it's not looking good. But to rub more salt into that wound, the team the Penguins defeated has historic bloodlines which run through Cleveland. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Support summaries are brief but at least they are there, and referenced to boot. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Support Content and referencing is sufficient. Mamyles (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Posted. Gordie Howe sends his regards. Hopefully this one turns out better. Put it below Orlando in deference to same-day, major non-sports news, but if people want to change it, go for it. ---- Patar knight - /contributions 16:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Pull... the really stale story at the bottom of the template. And Support this one :). StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Please change it. Reordering stories "in deference" isn't how we do things.--WaltCip (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC) The admin guide for ITN says that blurbs are "ordered chronologically by date of occurrence (but not necessarily chronologically within that date)." Not having ice hockey at the top of ITN over a same day mass killing hardly reaches into WP:NOTMEMORIAL territory, but if people want it there, it can be moved. ---- Patar knight - /contributions 16:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Not trying to stir shit, and either way is fine by me, but I wanted to point out that same-date stories with a corresponding picture are usually placed above those without. I don't think this is written down anywhere, however (or even if we still do things that way, although I think we do). --Bongwarrior (talk) 21:43, 13 June 2016 (UTC) I lean towards the status quo, given that the guideline wasn't ignored. "Deference" was a poor choice of words, perhaps a better point would have been that the shooting is likely to remain in the news cycle for longer. A similar point could be made about Ali going to RD after his blurb dropped off the bottom. No special treatment was given to either story that was not explicitly permitted by a policy or guideline, and yet both decisions will result in a longer-term story staying up on the template for longer. Good use of the tools if you ask me. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC) RD: George Voinovich No consensus to post. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:43, 15 June 2016 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: George Voinovich (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): ABC News, New York Times, Fox News, All Iranian Credits: Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of the most influential GOP political figures in the country. Helped shape Cleveland's future, notable opposition of the Iraq war and Bolton's nomination. Very well known and his retirement was well reported globally. His term as senator has been worldly reported such as in the BBC. Very notable in American politics. Article in good enough shape just pending on future obituaries. Death was described as "sudden" by NYT. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support in principle but oppose on quality. Article has {{cn}} tags dating back to 2007 and 2010, and I just added a bunch more. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Weak oppose. An above average Senator, but I don't think he meets the RD criteria. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose plenty of senators die all the time, this is nothing different. We don't post high-level but inconsequential politicians (he "helped shaped Cleveland's future"!) from every other country in the world. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose didn't operate at national or international level in his field. MurielMary (talk) 21:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC) United States Senate is a federal body. Served on the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. Not that operating at a national or international level is required by even the dumb RD criteria we're allegedly back to following anyway. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose – On lack of notability. Sca (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Oppose per pre-trial notability standards.--WaltCip (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Pulse nightclub shooting Unless (non-speculative) sources suggest otherwise, the blurb is unlikely to change. For death toll updates, please see WP:ERRORS. Fuebaey (talk) 12:22, 13 June 2016 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: 2016 Orlando shooting (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In a domestic terror incident, up to 20 people are killed at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, kills at least 20 people. News source(s): Guardian Credits: Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit) Updated by LordHello1 (talk · give credit) Article updatedNominator's comments: Police state that this is a domestic terror incident with multiple deaths and injuries. Breaking news and numbers haven't been confirmed. yorkshiresky (talk) 11:23, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Wait until more is known about suspect(s), motive(s) and firm count of casualties. Also, whether there's any connection to the other Orlando shooting, discussed below. Unlikely, but we don't know enough about this latest incident yet. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 11:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support Seems to be a major shooting. Lugnuts 11:47, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support when the details are firmed up and the article expanded. Sheer casualty count makes this notable even for the US. Laura Jamieson (talk) 11:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support. Ideally I'd like a longer article but it's still breaking news and it's not clear how much more relevant is actually known by reliable sources at this point. I suspect that this will get opposition due to the frequency of mass shooting events in the USA, but the way the reliable sources are treating this - particularly with regards describing it as "terrorism" - I feel this is one event that, sadly, is notable. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support - a mass shooting which is notable even with US standard.BabbaQ (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support A significant number of casualties occurred and this stands out among events. It can be expected to receive much more coverage in the coming hours. Dustin (talk) 12:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Strong support - this is the worst single act of terrorist violence against LGBT people in modern history that I've heard about (the previous one was probably the Mike's Place suicide bombing in Israel, 2003), and the deadliest terror attack on US soil since the 2015 San Bernardino attack. 114.111.166.7 (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support as inevitable.Support alt blurb. Surely the article will accumulate quickly. Crumpled Fire (talk) 12:40, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Opposed to the currently proposed phrase "domestic terror incident". "Domestic" is particularly problematic, as the sources seem to contradict one another over whether it is known that the attacker was US-based or not. Also opposed to the phrase "terror incident". Labelling something as terrorism – even where that label is accurate – implies greater seriousness than other events with similar outcomes. This is a despicable atrocity regardless of the cause, and is perfectly capable of standing on its own two feet as a major event without that qualifier. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 12:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Agree, the wording needs work. Crumpled Fire (talk) 12:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support alt blurb, oppose originally proposed blurb for reasons mentioned above. Quality very hard to gauge but the article seems to be evolving in a measured and well-sourced way, which is all you can really hope for with this sort of event. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Comment BBC confirms at least 20 dead, at least 42 injured. Alt blurb added. The right to bear arms eh? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:10, 12 June 2016 (UTC) If only gun control hadn't prevented more patrons from being armed this tragedy would have ended quickly. In all seriousness there is more than half this country that are fed up with spineless politicians and gun nutters preventing legislation.... we don't need it rubbed in our faces when tragedy strikes. --107.77.232.111 (talk) 13:44, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Most of the world has stricter gun laws that the US and does not see this sort of thing- but this is not the forum to debate gun policy in the US. 331dot (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Support as per Thryduulf. GAB 13:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Strong Support AFAIK unprecedented in the death toll of a one-man attack on LGBT people '''tAD''' (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Posted time to make ITN more reactive on clearcut cases. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Comment there is at least 50 dead. --Jenda H. (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC) This delay is ridiculous. Can we flag an uninvolved admin to post this already? This story is immense and record-breaking. Crumpled Fire (talk) 14:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)My mistake for failing to notice. Crumpled Fire (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC) It's already been posted. I updated the casualty count. Smurrayinchester 14:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Comment Should the blurb mention that it was a gay/LGBT nightclub? It seems to be an important part of the story. Smurrayinchester 14:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Yes, it should say gay bar, but every source I've seen says 20 or so dead. Where is 50 coming from? EdChem (talk) 14:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Most news sources have now updated to ~50. Crumpled Fire (talk) First place I looked was front page of the BBC, which also says 50. Laura Jamieson (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2016 (UTC) It's still unclear - they don't have a good hard number yet, so until that's confirmed, we should stick with the lower bound of 20, which I have boldly changed. An exact count can be assuredly had in a few hours and it can be updated then, but right now, the conflicting reports stories should be tempered. --MASEM (t) 14:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Okay, actually, as I'm checking now, nearly all the major sites are using the higher ticker number of at least 50 dead, including CNN and NYtimes (minutes ago as I type this). So I'll revert myself to put back 50. --MASEM (t) 14:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC) The Mayor of Orlando has confirmed 50 dead. Very sad.  :( What about adding "gay" or "LGBT"? EdChem (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC) I've added "gay". Nearly all top sources lead off by describing Pulse as a "gay nightclub", so this seems both neutral and respecting sources. --MASEM (t) 15:02, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support - scale makes it notable for me. Blythwood (talk) 15:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Comment NYTimes, with the updated count, is now classifying this as the worst mass shooting in US history. I only toss out there if that might go in the blurb or not. It might be a bit POVish to add that, so only offering this. --MASEM (t) 15:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC) (edit conflict) Perhaps "At least 50 people dead at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida after the biggest mass shooting in US history."? EdChem (talk) 15:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC) I think adding it would be premature until we are certain of the precise death toll (50 is a suspiciously round number). I can see the justification in adding it at a later stage of the blurb's life, but not during the newsgathering phase where the facts are changing literally minute-by-minute. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC) (indenting to make clear I'm talking about whether we should add "biggest mass shooting", edit conflict made it unclear what I was referring to.) StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Is there a reason why we're using the term "gay" rather than the more inclusive term "LGBT"? ViperSnake151  Talk  15:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC) There's discussion on this above, and it was also discussed at the article's page. Basically, virtually all sources as well as the nightclub's website itself refers to it as a "gay nightclub" or "gay bar". Also, the Misplaced Pages article is at gay bar, which explains further about the terminology. Crumpled Fire (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support It's nothing new about the United States but the "biggest mass shooting" in the country's history accompanied with the high death toll is notable in this case. This is also a huge warning about the overall safety in the country and the freedom of access to weapon, which should be immediately attributed very high priority with the enactment of laws that would impose restrictions.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2016 (UTC) It should, and it probably will, but ultimately nothing will happen. It's a real shame, and an embarrassment, but somewhere along the line "the right to bear arms" became "the right to have unfettered access to virtually any type of firearm in unlimited quantities". I realize this isn't the place to vent, but this is maddening every time it happens. --Bongwarrior (talk) 20:37, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Post-posting support per significant death toll. Mz7 (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Comment - News reports are starting to circulate that the shooter may have had allegiance to ISIL. I still think it was essentially a random gun nut with easy access to guns in a country that may as well be the Wild Wild West.--WaltCip (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2016 (UTC) They're investigating his travels and such to see if there's any legit link. It could have been aided by ISIL training, or he could just be a homophone. We don't know yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2016 (UTC) We're still not certain of his motives, apparently, but it seems extremely unlikely that he was a homophone GoldenRing (talk) 09:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC) He might be confusing him with the famous Cockney cricket player, 'Omer McBean. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 09:43, 13 June 2016 (UTC) According to CNN, the shooter apparently called 911 around the time of the attack and announced his allegiance to ISIS. If that is accurate, then it is pretty clear cut that he was motivated in part by Islamic extremism. It seems likely that he was also motivated by anti-gay bias as well. Dragons flight (talk) 18:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Who cares what WaltCip thinks. What matters is what reliable source report, and nothing else. Certainly not whatever is going on in WaltCip's head. The trouble with these cases is, like Anonymous, anyone can claim to be part of ISIS. The perpetrators of the San Bernardino shootings and the 2014 Sydney hostage crisis pledged allegiance to the group, but it's not clear if there was any actual connection or if they were just looking for glory or mentally ill. Unless a central ISIS authority claims responsibility and this is backed up by some police evidence, I don't think it should be mentioned in the main page blurb. Smurrayinchester 18:45, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Guns aren't allowed in Europe, so instead they use bombs, which is a big improvement. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC) It's not unique, for example please read Boston Marathon bombing for further information. And Category:Improvised explosive device bombings in the United States which has more entries than any other national entity. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Oh wow, plenty of articles on the US and no articles on improvised explosive devices in Georgia, Paraguay and Togo. 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