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Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Plants

Greetings! Just letting you know that I moved your comments from the main project page to the talk page so that discussion could occur on what you said. We've discussed these points many times before but haven't gotten very far. I encourage you to keep pushing us to act this time. And welcome to Misplaced Pages! --Rkitko 00:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Rkitko. I have been looking at these pages that you posted, but do thank you for just posting them here. Sometimes it can be difficult to locate things on Misplaced Pages. My biggest problem tends to be finding the little technical details about how to do things. KP Botany 18:29, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem! I have your talk page on my watchlist, so if you have any specific questions about how to do something, just post here or on my talk page and I'll be happy to help out or direct you to the right place. Glad you're here! --Rkitko 05:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, you asked for it. How does one do a revert? One who is not deep into Misplaced Pages code words? Then how does one report vandalism? Flagrant vandalism should simply be blocked right off. Is that the policy? PS! I'll only whine about common names for a bit more, then I'll just do what I came to do. Thanks. KP Botany 20:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

A Welcome from me as well! To do a revert (Taken from Help:Reverting):

To revert a page to an earlier version:

• Go to the page you wish to revert, click on the History tab at the top of the page, then click on the time and date of the earlier version you want to revert to. It will not work if you click on 'cur', 'last', or "Compare selected versions".
• When the page displays, text similar to this: (Revision as of 23:19 Jul 15, 2003), will display. It appears below the page's title, in place of the From {project name}, usually seen.
• Verify that you've selected the correct version, then click edit this page tab on the top of the page.
• You'll get a warning, above the edit box, about editing an out-of-date revision.
• Ignore the warning and save the page. Be sure to add the word "revert" (or "rv") to the edit summary, along with a short explanation if it is not obvious.

Vandalism is usually just reverted, since most vandals only vandalize once or twice. However, there is a list of warnings on Misplaced Pages:Vandalism which can be posted on the vandal's user page. This starts a process which, if the vandal persists, can result in blocking. Hope that helps! --NoahElhardt 21:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, the time and date tag! I didn't revert anything, but was able to follow your instructions better than the Wiki help page (which got me no where good). Thanks. KP Botany 22:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Apomorphy

I'm a bit confused about Redirects. "Apomorphy" redirects to "Cladistics," and, although apomorphy is eventually described, as cladistics is, it is not clear at all why it is redirected. I thought redirects were for synonyms? misspellings? sub-topics? Why exactly would this redirect be there? It seems a bit like redirecting "Hammer" to "Carpenter." It makes no sense to me. Should I post tis on the Cladistics page? Or is there something about Misplaced Pages Style Redirects that I am missing? KP Botany 01:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Basically, nobody has defined apomorphy in enough depth to merit giving it its own page. Since it is a term related to Cladistics, someone just defined it on the cladistics page, and redirected to there. I you would like to expand the definition of apomorphy into its own article, feel free to split it and remove the redirect. You may still want to leave the basic definition on the cladistics page (which is a featured article by the way) but link it to the new page. --NoahElhardt 01:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I see. Apomorphy is a useful but rather technical term, would it be appropriate to have a Misplaced Pages page on something so technical? I suspect that it will be used more in the future than it is now, but I don't know the Misplaced Pages audience very well. I know APG II botanists seem fond of the word, and I suspect their research will prove robust in the long run in certain areas--this is, imo, why they seem to be having so many difficulties with family placements: more to do with botany or real difficulties in the evolutionary history of angiosperms and the complexity of evolution in the plant kingdom than with lack of agreement among scientists. Any feel for the usefulness of a page on apomorphy with examples versus just a Wiktionary entry? I saw the featured article note on the Cladistics page. I'll have to read the article, its opening is a bit awkward, but I think content can be foremost, and style can be picked and perfected. Thanks for the feedback, I will think about the article, the Cladistics one and adding one on Apomorphy when I've spent some time on my pet to-do list. KP Botany 03:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Flower

(copied from User_talk:NoahElhardt "There is some good material in this article that can be re-used, but a lot of stuff needs clearing out and a lot of material is badly missing. This is probably one of the most imporant articles in biology, and should be quality. Is anyone with me on this? --NoahElhardt 22:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)"

I'm interested.

Yes, there is a lot of missing material, a lot of material that does not stand without other information, and some incorrect or possibly just misleading information--the article appears to say that pollination is fertilization, for example, and the evolution section implies a serious loss of ancestry.

I agree that it is one of the most important articles in biology, science even. What are your plans, in particular? Have you an outline of to-do's or anything?

I love your picture of a Sarracenia flower as a diagram, well laid out, clear, large enough to actually see parts, and I love the umbrella stigmas of pitcher plant flower, in general, however, is it necessarily the best picture for such a diagram in a general article on the Flower? Wouldn't a less derived flower, for instance, be more appropriate in such a general botany article? I have down-loaded and used the diagram a couple of times, though, because of its clarity and visual appeal. Still.... KP Botany 04:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Yay! I'm glad I won't have to do this alone... I was putting it off because its kind of a momentous task, but it really really needs to be done.

I completely agree on the flower diagram. I created that image specifically for the Sarracenia article because Sarracenia are so atypical that a diagram was necessary. Someone else then stuck the picture on the flower page. However, using a more typical/less derived flower there would be much more appropriate and less confusing imo. I can try to put together such an image this week.

As far as article structure goes, I had nothing outlined yet, just general ideas. Really, we need to start from scratch, although of course we can recycle some of the better material. I'll throw something preliminary together and post it on Talk:Flower to get us started, and we'll work from there. NoahElhardt 05:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)