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AE

• "Please someone uninvolved ban AD from making AE reports about TRM unless they are for comments actually aimed at AD"
• "All I'm seeing is (reasonable) frustration at the absence of admins patrolling ERRORS"
• "this looks like a disingenuous attempt to get TRM into trouble by someone who doesn't care for him"
• "Is there such a thing as AE boomerang?"
• "a waste of time, with a mild warning to Andrew Davidson about The Boy Who Cried Wolf."

... to that add, "it should be against policy to file an AE report against someone in the middle of a GA / FA / FL etc. review. Please put the article first and have patience" Ritchie333 12:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Boat race

Hi,

I upload some pictures from the 1910's, 20's and 30's of the race on commons. These images are from the French National Librairy and in the public domain. There are lots of pictures of rowing and it might interest you.

Best regards --Shev123 (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Shev123 Thank you. Could you direct me to one of the example Boat Race images you have uploaded to Commons so I can have a look? All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 16:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

For exemple, the is this one for 1924. --Shev123 (talk) 16:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Shev123 merveilleuse, thank you so much. I'll take some time later to go through these and add some of them to the articles! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:17, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome ! I am writing about sports (nordic combined, rowing and hockey) on french wiki and I know how hard it is to find good pictures. --Shev123 (talk) 16:28, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Shev123 cool. The only thing I am concerned over is that the licensing applied to those images currently means they may not be used on Misplaced Pages as they have no evidence of PD in the US.... Any ideas on that? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I thought it was fine but I am not sure anymore. It may be good : Template:PD-URAA but a specialist might be needed. --Shev123 (talk) 20:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Shev123: since the BNF rowing photographs you uploaded are credited to a press agency instead of individuals, I believe the copyright period is 70 years after publication (see c:COM:CRTFR). So the photographs from 1923 to 1925 are public domain in the US with the {{PD-URAA}} tag, since they were public domain in France by January 1, 1996 (and of course, anything earlier than January 1, 1923 is {{PD-1923}}). Photos dated 1926 and later had their copyrights restored by URAA and won't be public domain until 95 years after publication, unless you can show that the photos were also published in the United States within 30 days either without a copyright notice or with a copyright notice but copyright wasn't renewed (see http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm). You can ask for help with investigating the status of the files at c:COM:VPC. All of this is moot if BNF waived their rights to the images with a license such as cc-zero, but I can't find anything like that on their site. Hope this was of some help. clpo13_(talk) 18:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Clpo13 Thanks for your answer. I have two other questions for you :

• The link says (in short) that the French National Librairy bought the images when the compagnies ran out of business. Does it changed something ? (I think the images could have in the public domain before the 70 years)
• Is these images of 1932 University Boat Race‎ and 1933 University Boat Race‎ could be upload on English wikipedia instead of Commons ? Thanks --Shev123 (talk) 10:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

• I don't think that changes anything. It looks like any images that are in the public domain are there because of age, not because of anything BNF did.
• Unfortunately, no. On Commons, images must be public domain in the source country and the United States (c:COM:L#Interaction of US and non-US copyright law). On the English Misplaced Pages, images just need to be public domain in the United States (WP:NUSC). Since these images were published after 1923 and were still copyrighted on the URAA date (January 1, 1996), they're still copyrighted in the United States. You might be able to make a case for fair use of a particular image if you can satisfy the criteria at WP:NFCC. clpo13_(talk) 20:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your answer. I will ask for deletion the images for the 1932 and 1933 races. So these images are going to be in the public domain in the US in nearly 10 years, is that correct ? --Shev123 (talk) 09:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Clpo13 thanks for that, what a shame. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Ramsey

I'd quite like to do a bit more work on the management sections before going for FA, but I can't see when I'll get a chunk of time to do it—if you could hold fire for a while I would appreciate it. Sorry but I am crazy busy now and rarely have any time to contribute. Cheers —  Cliftonian (talk)  16:37, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Cliftonian absolutely, no rush. Just ping me and Dweller when you're back in the game. I've added you into a DYK nom for Alf, just to keep the ball rolling! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Cheers matey :) —  Cliftonian (talk)  16:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Nothing to it dude. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the GA is good now --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:23, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Whaddya mean? It passed a day or two back... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh. I had no idea. I've been offwiki. Erm... Yay! Now FAC? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but see above from Cliftonian... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Angels

I have never been to the Angels ballpark, so I can't give you any experienced advice. But there are various factors, including where you want to be vs. how close you can get. A lower-level box seat would be preferable, but those might all be season-ticket holders. However, in terms of getting food and drink, the stands (and especially the box seat areas) should have plenty of vendors walking around trying to sell stuff. Another factor could be how familiar you are with the game itself (though I suspect you've got a pretty good idea of the basics) and thus how far away you can tolerate being from the infield and still be able to follow what's going on. The Angels website might be good for ticket availability, and it's also possible they've got a virtual-reality look from every section of seats, as some team sites do. But at the very least, they'll have an overhead seating chart. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:19, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

If money is no object, you might be able to get a ticket from a "scalper" hanging around outside the park (if they even have such in Anaheim). Barring that, you could call the box office and see what's available. And if you want to change your world a little more, you could sit in the bleachers and see how the other half lives. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I hope you're able to get a good ticket and to enjoy the game tonight. I'll be watching the box score on ESPN to see what's happening. If for some reason you can't get to the game, there is always Disneyland and Knott's Berry Farm as tourist options. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I hadn't realized it was an afternoon game. Effectively over after the top of the 6th, so if a large percentage of the 30,000 people attending started heading for the exits, then traffic wouldn't have been too bad for you if you stayed for the whole thing. The box score suggests the extent of the Hispanic influence in the sport. Baseball is big throughout Latin America. I'm interested to know where you sat and whether you got to interact a lot with nearby fans. And whether you took any good pics to post here or elsewhere. d:) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 01:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I was pretty high up, along the right foul line, I'll post a picture later. For an MLB virgin it was perfect. Texas started brilliantly, some no-hoper hit the first ball of the afternoon foul, everyone jeered (although there were loads of Texas fans), and then proceeded to smash the second around 425 feet (he did it the hard way). Errors in the field destroyed the Angels chances, although the last-gasp homer was nice because we got to see some flames and fireworks and all that jazz. I'm a fan (although not necessarily of Pooholes and the Angels, especially lazy fielding from Cameron Maybin, they were lousy). The Rambling Man (talk) 01:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs another thing - it's not even a "diamond" any more! Edges cut out etc, what gives? The Rambling Man (talk) 02:03, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Excellent photo! Not the worst place to be, and a good spot to follow the arc of Gomez's home run. And if you connect the bases like dots and blank out the rest, you still get that "diamond" effect. When the leadoff man knocks one out, that's usually an ill omen. You might have noticed that 592 behind centerfield. Although it looks about that far away from the plate, it's actually a career homer countdown for Sr. Pujols, who entered the season with 591. Hitting over 500 (legitimately) is pretty much a ticket to the Hall of Fame. Unfortunately, after some championship years in St. Louis, he landed on the Angels, who seem to be perpetual underachievers. Anyway, I'm very glad you had a good time at "The Big A" and hope that you collected a bunch of souvenirs for your trophy case back home. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I had a blast. Pooholes underperformed on the day, but I understand he has a ten-year contract so he's probably not too phased by that. I loved my time there, from the "all rise for the national anthem", to the "kissing cam" to the "seventh inning stretch" (I've been whistling Take Me Out to the Ball Game for the last couple of hours), most of the employees I met were over 60, it was great. I'd recommend it in a heartbeat. Next time I'm in the States, let's do it together and you explain everything I'm not really getting! (You don't even need a passport!) The Rambling Man (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good! ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 15:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Halleluja

The Hallelujah Chorus was lead hook for Easter but pulled, or was the question not serious? Groupie.

ps: A GA review of my Easter egg would be nice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

relief: Jaguar took it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thank you for you help with that disruptive editor. They were stalking me and reverting all my recent edits. What a nightmare. Boomer Vial 01:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. I used to be able stop such prickish behaviour, but now I just get to watch it go uninterrupted for ten minutes at a time. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:49, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I was refreshing the recent changes page while that was going on, and seen multiple administrators active. Boomer Vial 01:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

No doubt there's more important stuff in their lives. C'est la vie. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

FLC request

I wonder if you could review this. It's been open for almost two months with just one review. Thanks, —Vensatry _(talk) 06:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I will see what I can do today Vensatry, if not then tomorrow. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

ERRORS

I have to be honest, I was knackered after getting Kings X / Marylebone to GA, and after that, plus dealing with Georgina Downs over the weekend, plus tending to close family members with the 'flu, meant I looked at ERRORS last night and said "fuck that for a game of soldiers, another admin can do it". Ritchie333 16:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem. We have more than just you and Dweller as admins, right? Sorry to hear about the family ills, I'm still living it up in LA, returning for my belated birthday on Sunday. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)

Sorry about that, the page jumped when I went to click on a link in my watch list and I accidentally clicked on the undo button. Before I could undo my mistake you had already fixed it, which I appreciate. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries, it happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Coffee

I agree with you concerning the block, however frankly I am not sure what if anything can be done about it or the larger problem you cite. Some things just can't be fixed. Coretheapple (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Well confirmation that is continuing block is simply to punish Coffee is a useful precedent. But no, there's not much in the short term we can do about the odd drive-by super admins who block and run despite the situation being completely 100% resolved. Not can we do much about super-admins who overlook heinous behaviour from their friend admins which is much worse and never atoned for. But I want to see Coffee unblocked, or at least, per WP:ADMINACCT, an answer from one or both blocking admins to confirm the block is indeed purely punitive. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Bishonen, Geni as Coffee has temporarily stepped away as a result of these punitive actions, I'd still like confirmation that you both agree that the block is purely punitive and in no way helps protect Misplaced Pages from further damage, particularly as the entire episode was closed down before the overtly excessive one-week block was applied, and in light of some other admins direct personal attacks which Bishonen was completely aware of yet chose to do absolutely nothing. Or shall we do ANI again and drag back all the history? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I of course can't speak for Bishonen's block. However admins on some level need to been seen to not be playing favorites. We can hardly expect people to respect civility policy if we don't apply it to admins. Completely pulling Bishonen's block would have created problems with future civility policy enforcement. At the same time a week was clearly excessive.©Geni (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Geni I forgot to say I appreciated your efforts but you spoke with Bishonen, a perfectly acceptable outcome would have been to suggest an unblock. Do you agree this is now a punitive block as the whole episode had been dealt with by fellow admins before Bishonen got involved, apparently without doing sufficient reading in any case? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:29, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

No I've already explained my reasoning and that had nothing to do with punitive.©Geni (talk) 21:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

But the block, including the current one, is punitive whether you think it or not. The episode had concluded but yet a punitive block was applied, which you reduced, but which remains punitive. I can see we need to take this to ANI. I'll let you know when it's up. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah, fuck it. The time it takes anything reasonable to come out of an ANI the block will have expired. I'm just interested that Bishonen allowed a fellow admin to call me a prick and to tell me "fuck you, asshole" without a sniff of a block, and that was admin vs editor. Moreover, the assaulting admin made no attempt to redact what he'd written, nor did he apologise for his multiple personal attacks. Meanwhile this case was admin vs admin, all resolved, like grown-ups do, and yet Bishonen feels the need to act like a super-admin and block for a whole week despite the entire episode being done and dusted. This "super admin" flag should be strongly discouraged, and that you felt you couldn't act appropriately, ie. by removing the punitive block altogether, out of fear of upsetting Bishonen, is a real eye-opener. It would never have "created problems with future civility policy enforcement", it would have been a realisation that WP:COMMONSENSE still applies. I hope we will not lose yet another decent admin and editor because of this. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

And yes, for the avoidance of doubt, WP:ADMINACCT applies here, please explain your actions on a timely fashion. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:IBAN

Please resume treating me as if our former IBAN were in place under the same terms.

I find your inability to deal with me objectively, impersonally, and uncritically a detriment to the project. You seem to me to treat civil communications from me as either an invitation to attack or a victory by you, and agreement by me as grounds for attack, when I am simply trying to be constructive. example 1, 2 3

I will file an ANI without further warning the next time you deal with me on other than an either than an entirely WP:AGF, WP:NPA, WP:NPOV, and WP:CIVIL basis. I don't want you to face the next step, since you can obviously improve the project if you follow the terms of the prior IBAN and Desysoping.

This is not facetious, it is civil, but it is also final. Of course I will do the same, and have no further discourse with you outside administrative manners. Please refer any messages vi an admin who knows of both this message and our prior mutual IBAN. μηδείς (talk) 21:55, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not interested in what you have to say. Please refrain from using the Ref Desks as a personal thought board, and stick to answering the questions. I have no idea why you added those diffs, they all demonstrate that we have differing opinions, which is allowed, and we are both allowed to express them, which is allowed, and all were done in a civil nature, which is allowed. By all means file yet another ANI, those go really well generally speaking. You cannot implement an IBAN without getting it formalised, I will continue to contribute to the Ref Desks, ITNC etc as I see fit. None of what you claim to be uncivil actually is. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)