Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 12:16, 13 August 2017

Template:DailyBracketBot

Welcome to my talk page! If you are adding a new comment section, please post your new topic at the bottom of this page. If your comment is about an article, please consider adding the comment to the article's talk page, instead of adding it here. Misplaced Pages is a community effort, and other editors might have valuable opinions. You could add a comment here to let me know about your comment on the article's talk page. If I think your comment is about an article I may move it there and leave a note here saying I did so. I absolutely hate conversations that thread across multiple pages. If you add a comment here, I will reply here. If I left a comment on your talk page and you reply here, I will move your reply back to your talk page. Please add this page to your watchlist to be informed when I reply. Thanks for stopping by! ⇒ Start a new Talk topic.

Because of bees, Ivanvector will not be very active on weekdays, but should be back editing enthusiastically on weekends (except when doing yardwork).

Archives (Index)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

This page is archived by ClueBot III.

About Arise from Darkness

Hello, hoping you're doing great.

I wrote my draft of the translation of Arise from darkness.

Thanking you in advance take a look.

]

Stay tuned.

Greetings. --Androveritas (talk) 07:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

How about, IVan. Hoping you're doing great. I'll be grateful if you can check the draft translation. Best regards.--Androveritas (talk) 03:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Androveritas. I have reviewed the translation you posted and the situation behind the article protection, and my opinion is that the article cannot be created at this time. The article was previously deleted due to involvement of editors who hide the fact that they are hired to edit, and so they are banned from editing. It appears to me from your user page that you are also connected to the site freelancer.com and a person there who writes Misplaced Pages articles for hire. If you are being paid to write articles on Misplaced Pages you are required to say who your employer is or who is paying you for your services. Please see WP:PAID and WP:COIDISCLOSEPAY. If you wish to discuss this matter further please post a note at the conflict of interest noticeboard. Thank you. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 17:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Crime in Sweden

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Crime in Sweden. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017).

Administrator changes

Anarchyte • GeneralizationsAreBad • Cullen328

Cprompt • Rockpocket • Rambo's Revenge • Animum • TexasAndroid • Chuck SMITH • MikeLynch • Crazytales • Ad Orientem

Guideline and policy news

• Following a series of discussions around new pages patrol, the WMF is helping implement a controlled autoconfirmed article creation trial as a research experiment, similar to the one proposed in 2011. You can learn more about the research plan at meta:Research:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. The exact start date of the experiment has yet to be determined.
• A new speedy deletion criterion, regarding articles created as a result undisclosed paid editing, is currently being discussed (permalink).
• An RfC (permalink) is currently open that proposes expanding WP:G13 to include all drafts, even if they weren't submitted through Articles for Creation.

Technical news

• LoginNotify should soon be deployed to the English Misplaced Pages. This will notify users when there are suspicious login attempts on their account.
• The new version of XTools is nearing an official release. This suite of tools includes administrator statistics, an improved edit counter, among other tools that may benefit administrators. You can report issues on Phabricator and provide general feedback at mw:Talk:XTools.

• Discuss this newsletter
• Subscribe
• Archive

"G-13 should be deprecated"

I'm curious: why? Vanamonde (talk) 04:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: User:Ivanvector/Drafts are cheap is my summary, plus also WP:NODEADLINE. In a nutshell, when there's absolutely no other reason to delete other than that a page is old is simply unproductive and petty deletionism, and smacks of elitism by "experienced" quality-policing editors. Every time I've asked why old drafts need to be summarily deleted in this way, the only responses I've gotten back have already been covered by other speedy deletion criteria, such as drafts which are unambiguous advertising, drafts which contain copyright violations, drafts which duplicate existing topics, drafts violating WP:BLP, or drafts about topics which don't meet inclusion criteria. All of these can be deleted through extant, mature processes, and all of them can and should be deleted without waiting six months. G13 as a wrapper for these other criteria doesn't work because it tacks on a six month wait for no reason, and G13 as a standalone criterion doesn't work because age is not a deletion criterion. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 12:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, that's food for thought, thanks. Personally I've always just seen it as a "spring cleaning" criterion, if you will, to throw away the stuff nobody cares about any more; and the rationale behind that I've always assumed is that the drafts clog up the servers; but I might be wrong about that last bit, in which case I imagine the criterion is not needed. What do we know about that? Is the sheer quantity of drafts a problem or not? Vanamonde (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I think that drafts clogging the servers is not a problem. Even if it is, deleting drafts doesn't free up server space, because "deleted" pages are not physically removed from storage. They're simply flagged as deleted in the underlying database, which actually makes the database a few bytes larger (recording deletion information and such). Ivanvector (/_Edits) 16:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Well then (if I may play the devil's advocate just a little, to better understand what you are getting at) surely the principle of U5 also applies to the draftspace, (but U5 would not actually cover the draftspace)? Vanamonde (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. If someone creates a page in Draft: space which is clearly not intended to ever be an article, like it's a listing of players on someone's fantasy football team or just a list of links to random Youtubes, I would personally delete it citing U5 anyway per WP:IAR if I couldn't find one of the general criteria to fit. On the other hand U5 excepts "plausible drafts", because a user creating a genuine draft of what's intended to be an article is not misusing Misplaced Pages as a web host, it's exactly how Misplaced Pages's collaborative model is supposed to work. If they contribute a notable topic but they don't stick around to "finish" it, that's not really a problem. It's only a problem because some editors have decided that rather than review these drafts to determine what needs to be fixed or which ones are unsalvageable and should be deleted, a daunting task for sure, they'd rather delete them en masse without any kind of review process at all.

Personally I think a better long-term solution to this issue is to deprecate Draft: space and Articles for Creation entirely, and just rely on WP:NPP to filter new content. If we didn't have draft space, all new articles would land in mainspace, where articles that aren't up to inclusion or content standards are rapidly corrected or deleted. What are we really doing with drafts? We're just making a space for topics which would and should be deleted as articles but can languish forever as drafts, because, I don't know, why? Because a topic that doesn't demonstrate notability now might change a few months from now? If content shouldn't be here in six months, it shouldn't be here now. Besides, it's better to tackle these issues when the articles are new, when the editors are likely to still be around. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 17:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd disagree with you about the draftspace/userspace-as-draftspace: it's where I send the unfortunately common newbies with lots of enthusiasm (ie they are upset their article was deleted but want to keep working on it) but little competence (the page is a total mess). Occasionally, something productive comes out of them going through AfC or draftspace. I think I can see what you are getting at with the rest of it, though. If I'm understanding you correctly, what you think we need is to expand the definition of U5 to cover the draftspace, and abolish G13 altogether (and there would be no need for G14). Technically I imagine U5 applied to non-userspace would make a general criterion, so really we should abolish U5 and G13, and write a new G13 covering deletions of improbably drafts, in whichever space they are. If you proposed something like this, I'd probably support. Vanamonde (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Lotfi A. Zadeh

Please remove the information that he has died until it can be confirmed by a reliable source that's not simply repeating an unreliable Iranian source. It's a matter of a BLP violation. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Settle it on the talk page, please. I'll be there in a few minutes. Ivanvector (/_Edits) 00:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jeremy Corbyn

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Jeremy Corbyn. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)