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Welcome to my talk page. If you have a reasonable issue or comment please post them and I will do my best to answer in a timely manner. My only request is if you post to my talk page you do so by being specific. I do not like, nor will respond to the broad stroke policy references in Twitter-like statements - they will likely be deleted in that case. If you have multiple things you want addressed, I will answer each one separately, and will use as many words as it takes to address.

August 2017

Hello, I'm Donner60. I noticed that you made an edit to a biography of a living person, Hamilton High School (Chandler, Arizona), but you didn’t support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. Misplaced Pages has a strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 03:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: A miscommunication revolves around this particular posting. Donner60 was responding to a truncated edit about the hazing scandal at Hamilton High School. It is not the long comprehensive section which has been the subjected to prolonged scrutiny. In that edit, due to Donner60's lack of specifying which areas he thought were against the citation policy, I had to use judgement on what Donner60's issues steamed from in the edit. The area I concluded on was about the videos, pictures, and descriptions. After making this conclusion, based solely on assumption, coming out of miscommunication, became an ethics issue. Donner60 and myself eventually agreed where I would hold off any edits until the evidentiary hearing and Donner60 would recuse himself from the article. Since Donner60 held up his end of the bargain, I held up mine waiting until after the evidentiary hearing resulting in the scrutinized lengthy article I wrote. I intended not to fall into the trap of being vague or not having enough sources, which still did not please many. With that said, I apologize to User:Donner60 for any derogatory remarks about his mental health. It was based on an assumption from lack of specificity, which happens often when using just the written word. I hope Donner60 will accept this apology knowing exactly where that came from. AZOperator (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Hamilton High School

Hi. There is an existing (but stalled) discussion on this content on the article's talk page. Until a consensus is reached there, no content on this can be added to the article on that topic. John from Idegon (talk) 03:29, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I believe that Donner40 has an invested interest in not allowing any content on the controversy topic and will never come to a consensus. It appears Donner40's has a history of doing this sort of thing. It always starts with deleting content by citing a general policy, offer no support and when pressed for specifics resorts to contributor issues. For the record, I have since reached out to Donner40, explaining my issue with the invested interest and content that is illegal to promote anywhere. John, I am confident Donner40 will either see error to his ways or will recuse himself. AZOperator (talk) 20

15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at User talk:Donner60, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:41, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I believe everyone is missing the point. The individual had asked for materials which are illegal to publish. The individual asked for names which are illegal to publish. Knowingly asking for such information is disconcerting, therefore I refuse to help publish any illegal information or work with a person whom believes publishing illegal material is needed. It may not be policy to tell a person about the personal implications of wanting this kind of information, but it is ethical to refer them to professionals. AZOperator (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The only one misunderstanding anything here is you. No one asked you to produce anything illegal. You were told quite clearly that if you wanted to add the content you were proffering, it needed to be properly sourced. You are the only one interperting that to be a request to produce something illegal. What it actually was and remains, is an admonishment not to add unsourcable content. Yet you chose, despite numerous warnings from others, including an administrator, to triple down on your accusations of mental defect against another editor. IMO, this merits an immediate indefinite block to prevent you from doing it again. @Barek:, @Kudpung: John from Idegon (talk) 23:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

AZOperator, you are missing three points:

• We do not include anything on Misplaced Pages that is not adequately sourced. In particular, strong content needs strong sources.
• We absolutely do not tolerate personal attacks or casting aspersions at an editor's health or other personal circumstances.
• We do not accept unencyclopedic content. Such content is not appropriate for a school article.

You are also ill advised with your 6 edits, to argue with people who have been around on Misplaced Pages for a long time and know and respect our rules. You are fortunate that I only warned you and did not block your account. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:29, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I have no interest in continuing any threads related to this topic since it appears that emotions are clouding everyones judgements. I have noted your positions respectfully going forward as I hope you have noted mine with just as much respect going forward. I believe that is sufficient for the time being. I am consider all talk pages, including mine, as a digital DMZ when referring to this topic. So I am not going to address the personal threat like the one above. AZOperator (talk) 23:37, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

October 2017

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use talk pages for inappropriate discussions, as you did at Talk:Hamilton High School (Chandler, Arizona). John from Idegon (talk) 23:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

John, I did not appreciate your multiple, clear cut personal attacks, which I let slide. Going forward, that will not be the case. I have no interest in communications on any topic, ever, with you on my talk page or any talk page for that matter. If you continue to use personal attacks like those documented on my talk page, Donner60's talk page, and several attempts on the Hamilton page, poaching any contributions, I will enlist all applicable Misplaced Pages's policies and the tools provided to me by the community management systems. There is no reason for you to continue these defacing attacks. From your statements over just the past week, you have been investing a lot of effort into me rather then actually content. It is just best for everyone involved to walk away. I have no intentions to bring your name up anywhere, I expect you to do the same. AZOperator (talk) 19:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Last Remarks on Hamilton High School Scandal

I acknowledge all legit concerns trying to answer them comprehensively, however there have been a number of communications which have digressed into less then honorable rhetoric. As for the scandal, I will repeat what I have said numerous times on the Hamilton talk page to sit and wait. A categorical ban right now, on potential encyclopedic material is premature. If it turns into content worthy by policy, I will revisit it. I intend to stick to methodology from here on out.

A blanket preliminary warning to all, defacing my contributions or instituting personal attacks like those deployed by John, will result in the use of all applicable Misplaced Pages policies and will implement all tools provided by the Community Management Systems. I will not let any of that slide anymore. I wish you all the best and exercise a level of respect which I have not been privy to just in the past week. AZOperator (talk) 19:46, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Just some friendly advice at this stage: If you continue to harass John from Idegon here or anywhere else, I won't need to implement all tools provided by the Community Management Systems - I will use some tools that the community has granted me and it won't need a community discussion and there won't be a warning. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

The issue between me and John has been taken care of as of 01 November 2017. A mutual agreement was reached through Barek as a semi-mediator. Kudpung, take a deep breath and calm down. As far as I am concerned, this is between me and John, not you. So please do not use procedural threats geared toward me when you were not part of the agreement or not allowing me to implement the agreement which was moving on and avoiding each other as best as we can with a gag stipulation on attacking each other. If you have a legit question, please ask. AZOperator (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Looks like my prior comment on literacy was spot on. There is no agreement on anything between us. You have an interesting way of interperting language. And Barek had no part in it, other than the fact that you forum-shopped it onto his page. John from Idegon (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

November 2017

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Misplaced Pages. I'm afraid you've used up the friendly warnings. By disruption, I mean your continued arrogance after having been warned about inappropriately editing articles and harassment of editors. So you take a deep breath, and don't wonder if when you breathe out, you are no longer able to edit the Wikpedia or post on talk pages. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hahaha, block me please. That would be so nice. It would really make my day. It must also be nice to act like your big league hiding behind a username. I’ve seen this story before its a classic. I’ll keep on living my life, and lossing this account is not painfull in fact none of this is painful. So do your worst, because at the end of the day, you, Kudpung, with your admin status means nothing. Get over yourself. There is arrogance and “policy issues” all over these exchanges from every one. The only thing I am going to miss is how you guys hang on to things like a rabbid dog, let things die. So I am signing off, Goodbye - not. AZOperator (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

For the record, I will see what you are going to say during your sad alleged victory dance. That should be some show. Also it will be interesting to see how your righteous moral high ground while undermined by your insatiable need to think you are right and a so called victory over another. AZOperator (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

While I had no intention of blocking you over the article that initiated everything; your disruptive behavior and harassment since has provided more than sufficient justification on its own. Should you continue your disruption, the block can be extended, or talk page access revoked. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I would like to thank everyone for unwittingly participating in a sociology experiment, see how individuals exposed to various stressors until an individual breaks from their code and then abandons their morality. Very interesting responses.

notice of ANI discussion

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is request review of block. Thank you. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:49, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Barek, what was really interesting, which got a lot of people reading it for joy, was this self anointed hierarchy for the preservation of whatever subject and how you and others are intellectually, emotionally, and interpersonally compromised when subjected to stressors outside of your typical communications. AZOperator (talk) 01:58, 20 November 2017 (UTC)