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	Please see this newly created article created specifically to prove that he was some sort of Mufti when in reality his second known work Fatawa i Jahandari was a political treatise.Barrani was disenchanted by the government's leniency towards Hindus and local population and if one were to assume that in fact this was a religious fatwa - one wonders if there were any takers of his ideas in conflict with Islam's doctrine.Another fact - he belonged to Shafi School of thought rather than the Hanafi which was the school of thought of the Kings and the local population and would have been difficult for him to have it accpeted by Ulema.Please cleanse this crap based on a singular well meaning research by Yoginder Sikand being distorted by the hydra of Hindutva - the resurgent Hindu fundamentalism.] 15:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)		Please see this newly created article <s>created</s> changed to prove that he was some sort of Mufti when in reality his second known work Fatawa i Jahandari was a political treatise.Barrani was disenchanted by the government's leniency towards Hindus and local population and if one were to assume that in fact this was a religious fatwa - one wonders if there were any takers of his ideas in conflict with Islam's doctrine.Another fact - he belonged to Shafi School of thought rather than the Hanafi which was the school of thought of the Kings and the local population and would have been difficult for him to have it accpeted by Ulema.Please cleanse this crap based on a singular well meaning research by Yoginder Sikand being distorted by the hydra of Hindutva - the resurgent Hindu fundamentalism.] 15:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
	::Attack to be reported to admin.] 21:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)		::Attack to be reported to admin.] 21:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
			:::Sure, this is a content issue and the way some editors are aligning it with the Hindutva point of view needs to be corrected, the claims in that article on Barani giving a religious Fatwa leading to the establsihment of castes among Muslims remain unsubstantiated.] 21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

	== Time to Archive ==		== Time to Archive ==

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Archives
Chronological Archive: Archive 1: October 2005 - December 2005 Archive 2: January 2006 - September 2006

Member introductions

Member introductions

Open tasks for the Islam Wikiproject

I propose to make something like Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Iran#To_do_list for this wikiproject. For example some issues like ‎Tawhid, Islamic concept of God and Allah need more works. So members can be aware by this way. Also members can be aware about POV articles, editorial wars and so on. --Sa.vakilian 15:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the Islam Open Tasks is a great idea for organizing Islam related articles. I think that the (also see the list of articles could be merged into the Islam Open Tasks.

*Open tasks for WikiProject Islam*
Top priorities	Cleanup / Wikify	Missing articles	Expansion
Allah God in Islam Islam Qur'an Muhammad Islamophobia Sufism	Islamic concept of God Islam in Suriname Iranian Cultural Revolution Islam by country	History of Muslims in Latin America	Islamic funeral Jaʽfari jurisprudence Sa'sa'a bin Sohan Hispanic and Latino American Muslims Farewell Sermon Tawaf Wudu Minhaj-ul-Quran Peace TV Islam by country (including related articles) Yusuf Estes List of largest mosques
Merges	Discussions	Maps, Pictures, Timelines etc.
Kalam-Muslim theology Historical Shi'a-Sunni relations-Historic background of the Sunni-Shi'a split Eid festival-Hari Raya-Hari Raya Aidilfitri Islamic concept of God - Tawhid Allah in Islam Islam and modernity - Modern Islamic philosophy	Talk:Muhammad Talk:Quran Talk:Criticism of Islam Talk:Battle of Khaybar Talk:Banu Qurayza Talk:Kaaba - Picture of Muhammad debate Ka'bah - WP:BRD - Spelling of name Talk:Religion of peace - Is this article really needed for an encyclopedic value or was it created for propaganda? Talk:Taqiya - It's mostly bias, so please give priority attention (Shias preferred)	Template:Islam Template:Quran Template:Muhammad Template:Wives of Muhammad Template:Prophets in the Quran Template:Omar Template:Uthman Template:Ali Template:Islamic culture Template:Shia Islam Template:islam by country Template:Islam in China Template:Islam in India
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Also we can use this tag in the talk pages of related articles.

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Attacks

Brothers in Islam, user Hkelkar has a very bad impression on islamic issues and some of the following are said by him

1 He calls muslims as Mohammedan, i tired to tell him it is an insult to islam by making such a remark, he says he is right and i have given him "proofs" regarding this matter but he wont listen and still uses those remarks. Shezaad786 and me tired to explain but he does not listen.

2 "Man Transformed into Apes and Pigs" (per the Koran) Jew. I said to him again there is no such thing in the holy Quran i.e in chapter 7, AL-ARAF (THE HEIGHTS) and chapter 2, The Cow. i tired to explain that he has misunderstood and misinterpreted the terms, but again he wont listen. BhaiSaab and me tired to explain him but as usual he would not listen to us.

3 "No Arab can ever beat a Jew"

4 now he taken a new turn "caste system in islam" Street Scholar and me tired to tell him that there is no such type of issue in islam and it is agianst the principles of islam.

His remarks are certainly NPOV, No personal attacks , civility etc. Can anyone pls help out in teaching islam to this user and is there any way i can complain this guy and ban him by using wiki. I have exams in a few days time so i wont be available on wiki for a few days.

Mujeerkhan 13:09, October 7 (UTC)

In the case of a dispute, you might find it helpful to bring in an admin to resolve matters. Do be reminded that not all Wikipedians have or are capable of having a worldly view and I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to exercise patience. :) Ariedartin JECJY 07:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well all my edits have been sourced and followed wikipedia policy of WP:RS and WP:V. I am engaged in a dispute resolution process with Mujeerkhan regarding his whitewashing of the persecution of Tipu Sultan and have cited several sources (called "books") to that effect. In addition, I am currently engaged in a dispute with Street Scholar on Talk:Cheema where he has been citing bogus references and I have exposed him accordingly. So I suspect that this is another sad attempt by our friend to form a coterie with some misguided members of this "Muslim Guild". By all means, go ahead and start your noisemaking, personal attacks, racial and religious slurs, mass reverts, McCarthyist witch hunts and general incivility as is the typical tactic here. All that gives me is more ammunition to use and get disruptive editors appropriately censured. Everything is recorded and I will meticulously collect all the little tidbits that such editors may throw out.

Intimidation tactics won't work on me. Of course, if an editor wishes to discuss matter with civility and a scholarly disposition then I welcome him with open arms, so to speak. Like my interactions with Guildsman User:Tigeroo which have been fairly positive so far as he has followed wikipedia policy and has been very receptive to sourced edits and has raised some interesting points on Talk:Muhammad bin Qasim; I presently consider him a good faith editor. I have little patience for fanatics and whiny kooks. Where are the abu-Sinas ,al-Farabis and al-Khwarzims of this Muslim Guild anyway? At least one could talk to them!

I have several mediators involved in such matters and am confident that no amount of wailing and niggling on the part of the partisan editors (Mujeerkhan's "fellow brothers in Islam" indeed!) will detract from the facts being mentioned. The opinions, dialectics and insulting perorations of some of the Muslim guild members are irrelevant in the face of the verifiable information.

Bear in mind that I have access to a rather vast plethora of scholarly papers, journals, texts etc. using my university subscription and fully intend to use that ability to make wikipedia articles more accurate and scholarly and cleanse them from the partisan hackery of Mujeerkhan and Street Scholar.

Oh, and yes, the Caste System (actually, several Caste Systems) is alive and well among Muslims in South Asia, Yemen and many other places, as I have sourced and established. Remember Mukhtaran Mai? Do you want me to quote from the Fatwa-i-Jahandari?Hkelkar 09:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Further sources are here.Hkelkar 09:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, if he has sources to verify his claim, the information rightfully has to be placed there, regardless of what the Quran says. Ariedartin JECJY 15:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Ramadan mubarak and...

... please check out www.islamiccomics.org my new dawa project ... BYT 15:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks bro - and the project was great, keep it up! --Striver 06:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty good. I'd also suggest perhaps if it could be available as a flash file and/or as a video file.--JuanMuslim 08:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see the relevance of this to WikiProject Islam. This is for serious discussion of Misplaced Pages-related issues, not for chit-chat. I'm sorry. Ariedartin JECJY 12:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Active Hindutvavadis

Please see this newly created article on Ziauddin Barrani ~~created~~ changed specifically to prove that he was some sort of Mufti when in reality his second known work Fatawa i Jahandari was a political treatise.Barrani was disenchanted by the government's leniency towards Hindus and local population and if one were to assume that in fact this was a religious fatwa - one wonders if there were any takers of his ideas in conflict with Islam's doctrine.Another fact - he belonged to Shafi School of thought rather than the Hanafi which was the school of thought of the Kings and the local population and would have been difficult for him to have it accpeted by Ulema.Please cleanse this crap based on a singular well meaning research by Yoginder Sikand being distorted by the hydra of Hindutva - the resurgent Hindu fundamentalism.TerryJ-Ho 15:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Attack to be reported to admin.Hkelkar 21:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, this is a content issue and the way some editors are aligning it with the Hindutva point of view needs to be corrected, the claims in that article on Barani giving a religious Fatwa leading to the establsihment of castes among Muslims remain unsubstantiated.TerryJ-Ho 21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Time to Archive

I think it's time for part of this talk page to get archived.--JuanMuslim 07:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I moved former discussions to Archive2.--Sa.vakilian 14:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Gracias, akhi. --JuanMuslim 03:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletation of Template:Palestine-stub

Some wikipedians want to delete Template:Palestine-stub. Please write your idea Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/October/16--Sa.vakilian 18:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

While it is listed at TfD, it is a request to rename to a more accurate descriptor, not a request for deletion. Tewfik 07:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No Tewfik, it is a request veiled by an Israeli POV and an obvious desire to manipulate further categories in relation to the Palestine stubs (which is happening as we speak). Please stop your anti-Palestine activities.--Palestine48 03:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

That smacks in violation of WP:AGF. Do listen constructively to comments and don't hurl ad hominem attacks. Thank you. Ariedartin JECJY 06:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your defence Ariedartin - an open attitude and communication are among the most effective methods of building this encyclopaedia . Feel free to approach me if ever any issues arise. Cheers, Tewfik 06:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not direct personal attacks at anyone to divert attention from the issue at hand. I stand by my words: The deletion vote is Israeli motivated and it is aimed at the heart of the Palestine issue. I do not know anyone on wikipedia personally, so all I am responding to is their point of view. Sorry to shatter the dreams of Zionists but Palestine and its people are alive and resisting as they have been for thousands of years. Palestine 14:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Please give proof of it being exclusively of a pro-Israeli agenda and not out of good faith of complying with Misplaced Pages's policies? And do show us how you have come to the conclusion that their point of view is Israeli? Please do so. I am curious. And do refrain from overly political comments. Ariedartin JECJY 07:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Advicement:I think this page is not appropriate to discuss about pro or non pro-Israeli agenda. Please continue this debate in your talk pages or another place.--Sa.vakilian 12:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Islam

We can make a separate part for Islamic occasions like Eid ul-Fitr and International Day of Quds.--Sa.vakilian 05:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak!

Eid Mubarak! --JuanMuslim 20:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

عيد فطر مبارك و كل عام و أنتم بخير --Palestine48 21:42, 23 October 2006

Please restrict your conversation to English only, thank you. Ariedartin JECJY 06:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

If you don't understand! all you need to do is ask. --Palestine48 19:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

If we all conversed in English in an English Misplaced Pages, it would save a lot of asking, amongst other things. Ariedartin JECJY 13:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Third holiest site in Islam AfD debate

This article is nominated for deletion Third_holiest_site_in_Islam, but some people who want to question Al-Quds significance in Islam want the article to stay. Please vote for delete.--Palestine48 06:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Islam template

Salam. Please contribute to an RFC on the Islam template. Template talk:Islam#RFC--Sa.vakilian 03:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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