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True story. Just look at the politically-based articles in Misplaced Pages and their related talk pages for evidence. |
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True story. Just look at the politically-based articles in Misplaced Pages and their related talk pages for evidence. |
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''"Jesus fucking christ, you people can bring this to ANI if you want, but I'm a fucking liberal who hates Trump and I agree with motherfucking Breitbart right now that you fuckers are bending over backwards to push you POV into this article instead of making even the slightest good faith effort to be an encyclopedia."'' -- written by a woke, honest Wikipedian |
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''"Trust no one here or anywhere on the internet unless they are a personal friend or family member. People love to screw with others online, usually because they have empty, meaningless lives and want to take their personal misery out on others from their computer keyboards."'' -- Me |
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''"...be mindful of...how the opposition will stalk and target your articles, try to get you involved in an edit war, and make up a rationale for blocking you. Don't be fooled by this game. To avoid falling for this trap...Understand that some editors have antisocial attitudes, others are drunk or on drugs, and still others have psychological problems that we can't address. Above all, remain true to yourself and stay above the fray..."'' -- written by a wise Wikipedian (who shall remain anonymous) |
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''"You are a sloppy editor with little knowledge of either editing policy, sourcing or writing."'' -- A assessment of me offered by a former administrator that gives a perfect example of ] behavior and totally violates ]. This is the kind of thanks volunteer editors have to put up with all too frequently, and yet, we trod on. |
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''"It's dressed up a little nicer, definitely has appeal to those with education and a desire to help others, but all-in-all, Misplaced Pages is still just the internet. Never forget that the internet can be a cruel, heartless place where even the most educated and seemingly decent of humans can act like total assholes and treat their fellow humans like shit. And they do it because they're just a bunch of nameless, faceless anonymous individuals online who use this medium to take out their hidden anger and inner ugliness on the world. In real life, they're probably well-liked and respected. If their friends only knew."'' -- written by another wise Wikipedian (who shall also remain anonymous) |
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{{Veteran Editor IV}} I've been here a while, and there are plenty who have been here longer. I don't always get it right, but I always try to be right. The service award you see here is just indicative of how many edits I have made, not how good I am at making them or whether I feel "more important" than those who have fewer edits. We all can contribute - hopefully we do it in a constructive manner - after all, that's (supposed to be) the point of being here. |
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If you've had any kind of issue or misunderstanding in your dealings with me, there is an excellent article/essay on Misplaced Pages editors with Asperger Syndrome found ] that might help. |
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'''If you're here because of an editing issue or a revert I've made to one or more of your edits and you feel I've made an error, please leave me a '']'' message on my ]'''. |
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Because being on the ] uffects everything I do (typo intentional), think, and say, whether it be in real life or on the internet, and since the reason why most people come to an editor's user space is to find out more about 'em, (typo intentional) I ask that you read the ]. Written beautifully by long-time editor ], the pact should be read by all neuro-typical Misplaced Pages editors in order to better understand how to work well and peacefully with non-neurotypical editors (such as myself). The pact is very complete, however, there are a couple of things I would add to them thar words frum Pesky (typos and grammatical errors intentional): |
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*Because those of us on the Spectrum are unfailingly "rule-followers", we are also honest to a fault. When we are accused of lying or intentionally being disruptive or not ], it's quite hurtful. |
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*Because many of us on the spectrum have considerably higher-than-normal IQs and our brains often times run at break-neck speed, we can become "over-loaded" with data-input and information. |
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**When that happens, we can either "snap" due to the stress and say or do something our normally logical brains wouldn't allow us to do; |
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**or, we may implement coping strategies, one of which could be disengaging for a time from what is overloading and stressing us. This gives us time to analyze and work out what to do/say/think next. |
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:When both the latter and former are employed, we appreciate it when those "around" us demonstrate patience while we may regroup. If we have only employed the former and have forgotten to be socially gracious, a gentle reminder to apologize to those we may have lashed out at is not a bad idea - if that apology is warranted. In the meantime, please don't pressure us while we are taking that time out. It only adds to our data overload. |
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Those of us on the spectrum who enjoy editing Misplaced Pages want pretty much the same thing the neurotypical editors want: to add to Misplaced Pages and have fun doing it. And to edit in peace. Because unwanted drama and the stress that goes with it sucks. |
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-- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> |
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With the exception of Administrators, users spending 60-70% of their time commenting on talk pages/userspace and various forms of noticeboards - with the remainder of their mainspace time spent reverting the edits of others - they have no reason to consider themselves Misplaced Pages editors. They are, instead, Misplaced Pages disruptors and obstructionists. They are not editing, just using Misplaced Pages as another form of social media and their communication with others often takes on the form of trolling. The devil is in the details. When you look at the details, the statistics for their "edits" and the substance of their commentary, how can one not determine their time spent here to be otherwise? Even if they didn't start their editing careers in that fashion, they are now nothing more than ] and their presence the very definition of ]. Why do they stay if editing truly isn't why they come back day after day? I think the answer as to why, in addition to how they should be dealt with, lies in ]. If such editors are not dealt with properly in a timely fashion, the only possible result is a toxic environment that will grow like a cancer, eventually infiltrating every nook and cranny of the on-Wiki places where they "contribute". '''<span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span>''' ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 02:10, 1 July 2018 (UTC) |
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<center>'''I subscribe very strongly to the premise and points stated in the Misplaced Pages essay''' ]. '''Those who bully others as a way to assert article ownership, POV and agenda pushing are behaving in a despicable manner, period. Another detestable behavior in Misplaced Pages is that which is akin to circling sharks, looking for weakness, readying to pounce on the too-trusting, naive editor who is here believing everyone wants just to build an encyclopedia. Such shark-like behavior occurs at noticeboards where some editors go to wait for the kill and then tear editors to shreds. You can also see it at article talk pages. The behavior of each type (bullies and sharks) is at the heart of what is wrong with Misplaced Pages. Then again, some editors are just assholes and enjoy exhibiting their assholery because: it's easy to do when you're anonymous via a screen name and because this is the internet, where such behavior has become all too commonplace.'''</center> |
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I'm noticing more and more a very disturbing and encroaching trend among editors -- mostly newer editors and young editors: no one seems to understand what an encyclopedia is, what encyclopedic tone is, what makes for encyclopedic content and what doesn't. It seems to me that with most reading outside of school being done on the internet these days, people under 30-or-so have no concept of the difference between tabloid content and true encyclopedic content is. More and more, new and/or younger editors think because it's sourced, it should be included in Misplaced Pages. Some believe (and this includes editors who have been here a while and know better) because it's news, it's article- or inclusion-worthy. Anything in the news belongs in Misplaced Pages. Anything that is quoted from an online source or a celebrity is reliable. They think anything found in a reliable source is automatically trustworthy and inclusive. This is what will continue more and more to be a real problem with Misplaced Pages and keep its reliability factor in the toilet. And all because some folks just don't know the difference between a true encyclopedia article and People Magazine. |
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An almost robotic recitation of "We only go by what the reliable sources say" when the ] are really, really wrong. This, in part, is due to "news" being available anywhere on the internet and each news group vying to scoop the other. In the rush to post that news scoop, investigation for completeness and truth is lacking. That's on the news agency, of course, but it is also up to the Misplaced Pages editor to realize that just because a source is deemed reliable for Misplaced Pages purposes, they aren't infallible. This indicates not only a lack of ] but a lack of honesty in editing. One would hope that with talk page discussion a compromise could be reached with the common sense solution prevailing. That is happening less and less in Misplaced Pages from what I can tell. Political agendas, personal agendas that are about opposing editors at any cost... the integrity of content in Misplaced Pages is forgotten or intentionally set aside for these purposes. It's disturbing, to say the least. Especially when, in the course of doing so, the importance of ] are completely set aside. |
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<br><center>This is always a great essay for a good laugh -- especially after you see a user try to employ it! The takeaway? ''"Blaming disruptive edits made from your account on your little brother or anyone else may seem like a good idea, but it isn't. It's a very common excuse, and we have no way of verifying it, and won't bother to try. You are responsible for all edits made from your account."''</center> |
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<br><center>Found this at the userspace of an editor who had just accused me of something I wasn't doing (no ]), called me a jerk (civility and maturity?) and threatened me after repeated repostings of content I deleted off my own talk page. Funny stuff. :-)</center> |
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Regarding Misplaced Pages's ] and ] status': |
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Before feeling all giddy that you have nominated an article for GA or FA status and such status was granted, remember it's a "distinction" that is contained solely within Misplaced Pages. In other words, no one's getting a Pulitzer or other journalistic prize with a GA/FA stamp of approval. GA and FA only mean that a Misplaced Pages editor who likely has no writing, journalistic, or editorial training had an article they have created/contributed to gone over, judged, and evaluated by another Misplaced Pages editor who likely has no writing, journalistic, or editorial training. Further, it's important to remember GA/FA is a within-Misplaced Pages "award". Which, in the real world means... |
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...nothing whatsoever. |
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Remember that next time you think you're all that because you have a (or another) GA or FA notch on your Misplaced Pages belt. |
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The following is taken from a talk page message left by a wise administrator following an editor block for continued and escalating personal attacks as well as incivility and battleground behavior. I find what he has to say to be the best explanation yet of why remaining civil and cooperative in Misplaced Pages is the imperative gold standard: |
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"''Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia created not by any one individual, but by a cooperative community. It is mandatory that you cooperate with the community in editing Misplaced Pages. Attacking people and insulting them incessantly, as you have done, serves no good purpose. It disrupts the community, it drives people away from the discussions, and in the long term degrades the value of your own contributions.''" |
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Another administrator quote that contains more truism and sage advice: |
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"''...administrators don't care about your content dispute. Administrative tools are intended to prevent disruption.''" |
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Not an administrator who wrote this, but it's some of the best and most completely accurate analysis of how difficult Misplaced Pages can be and what one can do to survive it: |
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"''It's time to start building bridges and coalitions composed of editors who will no longer stand idle while others are being attacked and denigrated. Just be mindful of...how the opposition will stalk and target your articles, try to get you involved in an edit war, and make up a rationale for blocking you. Don't be fooled by this game. To avoid falling for this trap, don't make any reverts and use the talk page to engage in calm talk. If you must revert, do so only once a day, if at all. Don't respond to incivility with incivility, respond with kindness and a polite reminder about the civility policy. Understand that some editors have antisocial attitudes, others are drunk or on drugs, and still others have psychological problems that we can't address. Above all, remain true to yourself and stay above the fray. If you can't avoid conflict, reach out to likeminded editors and admins for support. Find allies and make friends, and stay positive.''" |
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And finally, more great advice that I will refer back to from time to time, no doubt: |
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"''...do not respond here or elsewhere to accusations about behavior; keep playing the ball, not the man. It's all about the bass--the rest is just so much treble.''" |
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(Yeah - damn that signal-to-noise ratio, anyway!) |
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Regarding edit warring: Not always so cut-and-dried. For example, if you are repeatedly reverting someone you point a finger at and accuse of being an edit warrior - guess what? You're being an edit warrior, too. Duh. |
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Misplaced Pages is all about teamwork. It's not about ] or delivering a "Checkmate!". Editors must work together to build a reliable encyclopedia, not try to prove themselves to be "better" than others, not to show off grammar and writing skills and knowledge of language. Just to improve the encyclopedia with others who are here to do the same. |
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In the spirit of teamwork and Misplaced Pages working as much like a well-maintained engine as possible, I believe administrators should be a good example and here to help -- sadly, this isn't always what happens. I've seen some administrators who are kind, patient, and bend over backward to retain good editors. I've also seen some administrators who behave disruptively and treat Misplaced Pages's volunteer editors with unbridled disrespect and animosity, even when undeserved. That's not how cooperation is modeled or encouraged. |
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Prevention, not punishment. Working together, not winning. Respect, not revilement. Resolution taken into your own hands rather than running to noticeboards and talk pages whining and posting a laundry list of reversion diffs or record of past infractions, errors, and perceived wrongs. Keep the long-term goal in mind. Do your part to make things better and the rest will fall into place. Divas and chronic victims need not apply. |
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