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Starting the discussion about Sinatra infobox

Came here tonight with my kids looking for info on Frank Sinatra. First time ever on this article. Was disappointed there is no infobox, as we couldn't quickly get the information we needed. Not interested in reading the entire article when looking for simple stuff like birthday, age, years active, etc. Why in the world would you remove the infobox from someone's page? --Stéphane Charette (talk) 03:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I can't find any reason (coming from someone that usually finds more than one reason to justify something) to keep the infobox hidden. I think it's stupid and the people who did it have to explain themselves. I haven't got time or patience to read this entire Talk page, so if anyone can explain me why I should keep the infobox hidden, please tell me here. My opinion is that it's stupid and very misleading to people doing research here to keep it hidden. I won't change it yet, because it says not to (and because then it would be reverted by some guy who doesn't want to justify himself and just keeps reverting other user's edits for no apparent reason). JUSTIFY WHY IT SHOULD BE HIDDEN AND GIVE A DECENT REASON!! User talk:Sinclair_98_luis 08:26, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

This has been gone over several times before, and you should read the threads in the archive to get a grasp of why. Your opinion may be that it is stupid, but demeaning the opinions of other editors is not likely to lead to a constructive discussion. Demanding something in SHOUTY caps as a new reader is also not the way to persuade and influence the mood of the tp watchers. - 213.205.194.168 (talk) 09:08, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

You still haven't given a reason. I've seen some of the other threads about this and no one can give a decent reason to keep it like that. User talk:Sinclair_98_luis 10:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I am not arguing for or against, so I do not have to give a reason for anything. There I see an explanation in the archives, but whether it sways your opinion or not is not down to me. If you want to change the status quo, you are the one who has to put forward arguments to change the consensus, not demand something from other editors that they have already discussed to death. - 213.205.194.168 (talk) 10:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I give up. I'll go edit some stuff. Thanks for you time. User talk:Sinclair_98_luis 12:19, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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To stop a group of highly-experienced and well respected editors tearing each others' heads off, I have protected the article for 24 hours to give everyone a chance to calm down. Find another article to edit, and add an admin request here if there is something in the article that is urgent to fix (eg: falsification of sources or factual inaccuracy). Ritchie333 16:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Clarify

@Cassianto: I've genuinely spent like twenty minutes reading and rereading the sentence in the lead, and I've reread it another twenty times since, and trying to go through the reference to figure out what the sentence means. The sentence in question: "Sinatra was also heavily involved with politics from the mid-1940s, and actively campaigned for presidents such as Harry S. Truman, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, though before Kennedy's death Sinatra's alleged Mafia connections led to his being snubbed." I genuinely have no idea what "snubbed" means in this context. Did Kennedy refuse his donations because of his political ties? I genuinely have no clue what the heck the sentence is trying to express. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 21:54, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, can you assist? Cassianto 22:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Sinatra was a friend of Kennedy's. Robert Kennedy was investigating the mafia and the government concluded that Sinatra was too close to some notorious figures. As a result JFK was advised to snub Sinatra when he came to California and stayed with Crosby instead. Sinatra was furious and smashed the helicoper pad he had specially built up. I thought I explained this in the article if you read the thing. So politically, yes I believe the Kennedy administration distanced themselves even though Sinatra had been involved in the campaign for presidency.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Lead image

We should use as the lead picture. This has been professionally done. Rather than which is just a screenshot from a film, where he is halfway through singing. Both were taken in the same year, 1957. JimmyJoe87 (talk) 10:34, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Professionally done? It looks very fake, almost as if a child coloured it in.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

• It looks a lot better than the image currently leading. JimmyJoe87 (talk) 11:13, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Comment: I've taken the liberty of marking them photo A & B on this page for ease of identification. To me, photo A looks un-natural, almost as if it was photo-shopped, so I think photo B should be retained as the lead image. SagaciousPhil - Chat 11:37, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep Pal Joey The other image is a page from a 1957 film magazine. Since this is a type of newsprint, the quality of the image is not as good as the film image. When I'm working with newspaper or magazine photos, I'm happiest when I can find an identical copy of the photo from film, etc. Here you see the photo as printed in a newspaper of the time. Here you see the same image as a photo. We hope (talk) 12:35, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Comment Because PD still images weren't available, many of the photos used in Rod Steiger are screen captures from PD film trailers. We hope (talk) 13:26, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep Pal Joey per Sagaciousphil. BTW it was also shot by a "professional." MarnetteD|Talk 18:00, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep B: more life, more of an entertainer --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Does anybody know if we should list his associated acts? I have already made a list of them. Matt Campbell (talk) 15:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)User:Matt CampbellMatt Campbell (talk) 15:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but no. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:16, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Never formally learned how to read music

That phrase appears twice on the page. I'm not sure what it means. Does it mean he never learned how to read music? I can't think what else it could mean. So I'm going to remove the filler word "formally", which just seems a weasel word. Either you can read music or you can't; it doesn't matter much how you learn. (The phrase sounds like it was written by someone who couldn't read music.) It's a bit strange, too, the parts of the page assuring that Sinatra enthusiastically learned every possible aspect of music...except somehow never learning to read music. It all doesn't quite add up. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Also "he made his own notations to the music, using his ear to detect semi-tonal differences" makes no sense. So I changed it to "semitonal", i.e. differences of a semitone. Which at least means something, though I'm still not sure what it's supposed to mean - the same as the next bit, I guess, about classical musicians being amazed he could hear wrong notes. But gee, anyone who can't detect "semitonal differences" is called "tone deaf", it's nothing to brag about. I suspect someone with no idea about music wrote that and the next bit. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 10:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

"Mental Health" section

I see there has been a little bit of to-and-froing over the addition of a section titled "Mental Health". Having an entire section dedicated to this is overkill and gives too much WP:WEIGHT to this one small part of his life and work. We already cover the fact he had depression - it's in the "Style and personality" section:

Throughout his life, Sinatra had mood swings and bouts of mild to severe depression, admitting to an interviewer in the 1950s that "I have an over-acute capacity for sadness as well as elation". Barbara Sinatra stated that he would "snap at anyone for the slightest misdemeanor", while Van Heusen said that when Sinatra got drunk it was "best to disappear".

Repeating this information in a separate section does not seem to be an improvement, as far as I can see. - SchroCat (talk) 15:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I agree. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 16:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I also agree. The separate section is WP:UNDUE. The brief mention that Schrocat has highlighted here is sufficient. MarnetteD|Talk 16:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

die date

someone shoud chek tghe date

May 14, 1998 or March 16, 2016 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.83.159.73 (talk) 00:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Date is checked and 1998 is correct. MarnetteD|Talk 00:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Please explain why infobox is hidden

I came to this page recently as a longtime Wikipedian and Sinatra fan of much longer-standing and was surprised to find no infobox. Could someone please summarize why the infobox should be hidden on this article? I know that there has been back-&-forth on this in past, but I've found it difficult to discern the explanation for why this article's infobox should be hidden, despite it's being (in my view) highly accurate and parsimonious. Thanks. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for stupid comments...

Internet makes us all crappy people. Two times I almost lost a good friendship because of Facebook. Thank God no friend of mine is here. I just wanted to apologize if I offended anyone today. I just wanted to understand why the hidden infobox and got a sanction notice, whatever that means (I read the link, but it looked like a court case and I never understand those...). I still think it's wrong, but I give up. Let the will of the people govern it. (Cassianto is no longer editing, which is good, since he kept deleting infoboxes... one thing I learned from that court case...)

BTW, I created an article that has the title stuck with the "Draft" thing in it (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Alexander_Search_(band)). No one has noticed that article so I don't get any answer on how to get it out. SOme help? Comment on the Talk page of that article, please. Thanks in advance. User Talk:Sinclair_98_luis 12:54 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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